List alternate PMs or Presidents
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I...I meant Shaun King. This guy. I wrote the list around midnight so I must of missed it.
I'll show myself out.
Free Helicopter Rides
Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican) 2017-2020
2016: def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic), Gary Johnson/William Weld (Libertarian),...
Mike Pence/Scott Walker (Republican) 2020-2025
2020: def. Tim Kaine/Claire McCaskill (Democratic), Jesse Ventura/Andrew Peterson (Libertarian),...
Jim Justice/Julian Castro (Democratic) 2025-2027
2024: def. Mike Pence/Scott Walker (Republican), Rand Paul/Joe Miller (Libertarian),...
Julian Castro/Charlie Crist (Democratic) 2027-2029
Marco Rubio/Elise Stefanik (Republican) 2029-2037
2028: def. Julian Castro/Charlie Crist (Democratic), Rand Paul/Justin Amash (Libertarian),...
2032: def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Joaquin Castro (Democratic), Justin Amash/Raul Labrador (Libertarian),...
James Toler/Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) 2037-2039
2036: def. Thomas Woods/Daniel Miles (Libertarian), Elise Stefanik/Julia Taylor (Republican),...
Tulsi Gabbard/vacant (Democratic) 2039
Franklin Blaise/vacant (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2039-2041
Franklin Blaise/J. Gabriel Low (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2041-2054
2040: unopposed
2044: unopposed
2048: unopposed
2052: unopposed
Franklin Blaise/vacant (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2054-2055
Dana Crawley/vacant (Independent transitional presidency) 2055-2057
Dana Crawley/Sam Marquez (Neo-Democratic) 2057-20??
2056: def. Azuolas Ozols/Skylar Lewis (Justice), Rick Rollins/various (Values),...
Basically this was a quick list based on Internet libertarians' odd obsession with the Chilean dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet, and well, it's clear where I was kind of going with it, basically have the Democrats have an ineffective Presidency and have their ranks be so low that a charismatic honest-to-God socialist (@Jay Roosevelt's creation, which I used here) takes over and wins after the Republicans implode.
In the end the Libertarians somehow become the party of the military dictatorship that emerges after Toler and Gabbard are executed by soldiers. This dictatorship is led by General Franklin Blaise [completely fictional] who sets up a dictatorship that's both socially authoritarian and economically neoliberal. Copying from Pinochet's playbook even further, he has Democrats be executed by throwing them out of helicopters [hence the title "Free Helicopter Rides"].
In the end, J. Gabriel Low, his veep, is shot and everything unravels from there, allowing Dana Crawley to take over and take America back to democracy.
This timeline was not supposed to be plausible and only was a thought-exercise on how would I make Libertarians be in a position so that they could be Pinochet?
Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican) 2017-2020
2016: def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic), Gary Johnson/William Weld (Libertarian),...
Mike Pence/Scott Walker (Republican) 2020-2025
2020: def. Tim Kaine/Claire McCaskill (Democratic), Jesse Ventura/Andrew Peterson (Libertarian),...
Jim Justice/Julian Castro (Democratic) 2025-2027
2024: def. Mike Pence/Scott Walker (Republican), Rand Paul/Joe Miller (Libertarian),...
Julian Castro/Charlie Crist (Democratic) 2027-2029
Marco Rubio/Elise Stefanik (Republican) 2029-2037
2028: def. Julian Castro/Charlie Crist (Democratic), Rand Paul/Justin Amash (Libertarian),...
2032: def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Joaquin Castro (Democratic), Justin Amash/Raul Labrador (Libertarian),...
James Toler/Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) 2037-2039
2036: def. Thomas Woods/Daniel Miles (Libertarian), Elise Stefanik/Julia Taylor (Republican),...
Tulsi Gabbard/vacant (Democratic) 2039
Franklin Blaise/vacant (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2039-2041
Franklin Blaise/J. Gabriel Low (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2041-2054
2040: unopposed
2044: unopposed
2048: unopposed
2052: unopposed
Franklin Blaise/vacant (Libertarian-led military dictatorship) 2054-2055
Dana Crawley/vacant (Independent transitional presidency) 2055-2057
Dana Crawley/Sam Marquez (Neo-Democratic) 2057-20??
2056: def. Azuolas Ozols/Skylar Lewis (Justice), Rick Rollins/various (Values),...
Basically this was a quick list based on Internet libertarians' odd obsession with the Chilean dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet, and well, it's clear where I was kind of going with it, basically have the Democrats have an ineffective Presidency and have their ranks be so low that a charismatic honest-to-God socialist (@Jay Roosevelt's creation, which I used here) takes over and wins after the Republicans implode.
In the end the Libertarians somehow become the party of the military dictatorship that emerges after Toler and Gabbard are executed by soldiers. This dictatorship is led by General Franklin Blaise [completely fictional] who sets up a dictatorship that's both socially authoritarian and economically neoliberal. Copying from Pinochet's playbook even further, he has Democrats be executed by throwing them out of helicopters [hence the title "Free Helicopter Rides"].
In the end, J. Gabriel Low, his veep, is shot and everything unravels from there, allowing Dana Crawley to take over and take America back to democracy.
This timeline was not supposed to be plausible and only was a thought-exercise on how would I make Libertarians be in a position so that they could be Pinochet?
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It isn't the internet libertarians supporting Pinochet, it's 4chan's /pol/ and its far-right Nazis.
I thought it was the edgy libertarians. To be fair, the boundary between two "edgyist" groups aren't that clear.
Its ok. Just make it a Trumpist Republican Party instead.
tbh tho, Pinochet is the exact opposite flavor of far-right from Libertarians, so how you got it mixed up is beyond me.
No, that makes it boring and cliche. Anyway, I've looked it up, and yes, libertarians did indeed support Pinochet and even today, Internet edgy libertarians do.
"Or consider the darling of many an '80s conservative: Pinochet's Chile, installed by Nixon, praised by Jeanne Kirkpatrick, George Bush, and Paul Johnson. In twenty years, foreign debt quadrupled, natural resources were wasted, universal health care was abandoned (leading to epidemics of typhoid fever and hepatitis), unions were outlawed, military spending rose (for what? who the hell is going to attack Chile?), social security was "privatized" (with predictable results: ever-increasing government bailouts) and the poverty rate doubled, from 20% to 41%. Chile's growth rate from 1974 to 1982 was 1.5%; the Latin American average was 4.3%.
Pinochet was a dictator, of course, which makes some libertarians feel that they have nothing to learn here. Somehow Chile's experience (say) privatizing social security can tell us nothing about privatizing social security here, because Pinochet was a dictator. Presumably if you set up a business in Chile, the laws of supply and demand and perhaps those of gravity wouldn't apply, because Pinochet was a dictator.
When it's convenient, libertarians even trumpet their association with Chile's "free market" policies; self-gov.org (originators of that cute quiz) includes a page celebrating Milton Friedman, self-proclaimed libertarian, who helped form and advise the group of University of Chicago professors and graduates who implemented Pinochet's policies. The Cato Institute even named a prize for "Advancing Liberty" after this benefactor of the Chilean dictatorship."
-Mark Rosenfelder
Fairly biased, of course, but it gets the point across.
I didn't get it mixed up. For one, Hayek supported Pinochet, and on the Internet, there's a bunch of pro-Pinochet libertarians.
Pinochet toppled a socialist president and implemented radical neoliberal economics. For those libertarians, that's enough.
Also, @wolfram has posted a quote that sums it up well.
Well I guess you do have a point with edgy internet libertarians, but any serious libertarian would oppose Pinochet.
I couldn't decide on which scenario I liked best - so I made three.
Magic Circle Unbroken
1963-1964: Reggie Maudling (Conservative)
1964-1965: Harold Wilson (Labour minority with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1964 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative) Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1965-1969: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1965 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative) Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1969-1972: Quintin Hogg (Conservative)
1969 def. Harold Wilson (Labour) Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1972-1979: Richard Wood (Conservative)
1974 def. Harold Wilson (Labour) Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1979-: Paul Channon (Conservative)
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The Chancellor of the Exchequer successfully schemed his way past many several senior politicians to get the support of the Conservative Party - but as much as Maudling stalled for time he could not save his party's fortunes - Wilson narrowly picked up the most seats in a hung parliament. After almost a year of uneasy coalition government Wilson decided to call a new election - and this time the electorate decisively swung against Maudling, giving Labour a large majority and clear mandate. Maudling had performed disappointingly in both elections - and stepped down as leader.
There was just as much of a leadership vacuum as there had been two years ago - Ted Heath, who had been seen as a rising star the previous year - had lost Bexley in 1965 by three hundred votes - a personal embarassment in the wake of the overall Conservative defeat. Rab Butler had just stepped down and Macmillan was not about to return to power, glorious dreams to the contrary. In the end, Shadow Home Secretary Quintin Hogg (his glory-seeking antics of 2 years before forgotten) was the pick of the Tory Grandees - beating out Peter Thorneycroft, while some rumored absurdly that the 14th Earl of Home had also been a contender. A second viscount was an incongruous choice for Conservative leader in the years of Wilson - but he was an effective speaker, and when Labour underperformed in 1969 - that would be enough for Hogg to win a usable majority. There were some Conservative reforms - but Hogg ended up preoccupied with the Troubles and labour unrest, and would resign a tired man in 1972. And once again, the 'Magic Circle' stepped in - picking Foreign Secretary Richard Wood over a bitter Keith Joseph. Wood was a fellow Etonian and the son of the 1st Earl of Halifax - but as a bitter Harold Wilson would learn, he was also Teflon. Labour attacks on 'inherited privilege' came off as simply callous against a double amputee who had served in World War 2 - and Wood had earned both the respect and the unity of the Conservative Party, even in hard economic times. Labour lost seats in 1974 - and Wilson stepped down, to be replaced by Michael Foot. Foot himself had a dispiriting four years trying to pin the nation's economic woes on the Conservatives, to little avail. His first break came in 1979 - when Wood suddenly resigned due to ill-health, and yet another Etonian emerged - young Paul Channon, who had served twenty years in Parliament - but been first elected at only 23. Channon paled in comparison to his predecessors - and a decline in the polls showed it. It looked like the days of aristocratic Tories would soon come to an end...
Rivers of not always going to be a dystopia how hard is that to understand
1963-1964: Reggie Maudling (Conservative)
1964-1965: Harold Wilson (Labour minority with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1964 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1965-1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1965 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1970-1972: Enoch Powell (Conservative)
1970 def. Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1972-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1972 def. Enoch Powell (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), Ted Heath (Independent Conservative)
1976-1977: James Callaghan (Labour)
1977-1977: James Callaghan (Labour with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1977 (Jun) def. Neil Marten (Conservative), Frederick Rodger (Liberal), Kenneth Baker (Independent Conservative)
1977-1982: Neil Marten (Conservative)
1977 (Nov) def. James Callaghan (Labour), Frederick Rodger (Liberal), Mark Carlisle (Independent Conservative)
1981 def. John Silkin (Labour), Frederick Rodger (Liberal)
1982-: Timothy Raison (Conservative)
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Maudling failed twice as already related - and when the 14th Earl of Home was picked seemingly out of nowhere to be the next leader of the Conservative Party, many were aghast. Even his subsequent disclaiming of the earldom and election as MP for Hove could not make him seem less alien to most of the nation. He was elitist, not dynamic, and simply came across as a lesser light even when party leader. It is to his partial credit that Douglas-Home at least saw these shortcomings and tried to do something about them. His decision was to institute democratic Conservative leadership elections for the first time - doing away with the Magic Circle and replacing it with the vote of MPs - alongside the choices of Conservative voters at large. As a show of good faith - Douglas-Home himself would stand for reselection as leader in early 1968; in part as a good PR move, but the decision was also based on the relatively weak Conservative leadership.
In fact there would only be two serious challengers; Shadow Chancellor Iain MacLeod and Shadow Secretary of State for Defense Enoch Powell. Both were younger, more charismatic critics of Home - even if coming from different political directions. Powell had the right-most core of the party it seemed, while MacLeod was the 'electable' alternative to Home, who could present a more charismatic Conservative Party. All the smart money thought that Douglas-Home, already in charge, would have the backing of a large plurality of MPs - followed by MacLeod in second and Powell in a distant third. MacLeod would then presumably beat Douglas-Home among Conservative voters at large. The presumptive phrase here would be "wrong". Powell snatched second-place by two votes in a shock to MacLeod - in a textbook case of tactical voting; MPs in favor of Douglas-Home were convinced that Iain MacLeod would be a tougher opponent and had therefore discreetly swung their votes to Powell.
They would come to repent their decision, for Powell was an excellent orator above all and the speech he delivered during that leadership contest would never be forgotten. 'Rivers of Blood' was widely condemned in the media as racialist and horrid - but in the public at large Powell received overwhelming acclaim for sympathizing with their feelings of concern about mass immigration. And when it finally came to a popular vote, Powell beat Douglas-Home by 61.89 to 38.11% to become leader of the Conservative Party. Conservative MPs were rather less thrilled. But Powell had other priorities in his first year as leader - coming up with an economic plan that would significantly cut taxes, and offering a defense of the House of Lords that completely blunted Prime Minister's Wilson's efforts at reform.
Harold Wilson rather desperately looked for a drop in Powell's popularity as Parliament came to an end; but there was none. The beginnings of dissent were emerging from Ted Heath (MP for New Forest since late 1968) who had a sizable Europhile following that looked anxiously at Powell's economic policies. But although the canny Wilson tried to make 1970 an informal referendum on whether to join the EEC - Powell held his party together and won a forty seat majority, slightly underperforming the polls.
Powell's premiership itself would be - anticlimactic. Conservative MPs had no stomach for many of the things he was proposing - and his positions on NI and entering Europe were considerably out of line with the rest of his party, which was rather resenting the burden the electorate had forced on it. The final straw would come from Rhodesia - Powell continued to push for the Pearce Commission's plan despite the black citizens in Rhodesia widely disapproving of it; with even the foreign service reluctant to back him up on that decision. Ted Heath and a wild variety of fellow wets ended up defecting under the 'Independent Conservative' banner - and the Powell government collapsed. Wilson won handily - and the brief experiment with Powellism came to an end. Although Shadow Chancellor Neil Marten shared Powell's distaste for the E.U. - his first priority was reconciling with moderates in the party, and at his resignation in 1982 Timothy Raison would finally put the Powell wing of the party to bed.
Partycrasher Thatcher
1963-1969: Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative)
1964: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1969-1969: Iain MacLeod (Conservative)†
1969-1969: Peter Thorneycroft (Conservative)
1968-1969: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1969-: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1969: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
Partycrasher Thatcher (Comisario was quite right about John Smith - so I made this.)
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Even in her twenties there had been chatter about her becoming the first female Prime Minister. That talk had only intensified when she'd been a successful Health minister under Douglas-Home, and even more so when Iain MacLeod's first (and only) reshuffling had very surprisingly made her Secretary of State for Defense. And when MacLeod had died suddenly one morning from the stress of preparing for the election campaign - a shocked Peter Thorneycroft was appointing her to fill his spot as Home Secretary (while Quintin Hogg became the new Deputy Prime Minister in his stead) - and not so discreetly hinting that he would back her if she ran. After all, who else was there?
Ted Heath was still off being the Incredible Sulk after losing the last leadership contest - and Maudling was a two time loser and not exactly scandal-free. That left Soames - and who wanted another elitist when the country was well and tired of Douglas-Home? So she'd squeaked by to a win on the second ballot. She'd become the first female Prime Minister. And for all that, she was about to leave 10 Downing St. after what could only be described as a sickening, massive loss to Labour. Maybe if the Conservatives hadn't been in power so long - maybe if she had worked on her voice more - but no, none of that mattered now.
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sighed. It was Hugh Gaitskell's job now.
Magic Circle Unbroken
1963-1964: Reggie Maudling (Conservative)
1964-1965: Harold Wilson (Labour minority with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1964 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative) Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1965-1969: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1965 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative) Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1969-1972: Quintin Hogg (Conservative)
1969 def. Harold Wilson (Labour) Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1972-1979: Richard Wood (Conservative)
1974 def. Harold Wilson (Labour) Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1979-: Paul Channon (Conservative)
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The Chancellor of the Exchequer successfully schemed his way past many several senior politicians to get the support of the Conservative Party - but as much as Maudling stalled for time he could not save his party's fortunes - Wilson narrowly picked up the most seats in a hung parliament. After almost a year of uneasy coalition government Wilson decided to call a new election - and this time the electorate decisively swung against Maudling, giving Labour a large majority and clear mandate. Maudling had performed disappointingly in both elections - and stepped down as leader.
There was just as much of a leadership vacuum as there had been two years ago - Ted Heath, who had been seen as a rising star the previous year - had lost Bexley in 1965 by three hundred votes - a personal embarassment in the wake of the overall Conservative defeat. Rab Butler had just stepped down and Macmillan was not about to return to power, glorious dreams to the contrary. In the end, Shadow Home Secretary Quintin Hogg (his glory-seeking antics of 2 years before forgotten) was the pick of the Tory Grandees - beating out Peter Thorneycroft, while some rumored absurdly that the 14th Earl of Home had also been a contender. A second viscount was an incongruous choice for Conservative leader in the years of Wilson - but he was an effective speaker, and when Labour underperformed in 1969 - that would be enough for Hogg to win a usable majority. There were some Conservative reforms - but Hogg ended up preoccupied with the Troubles and labour unrest, and would resign a tired man in 1972. And once again, the 'Magic Circle' stepped in - picking Foreign Secretary Richard Wood over a bitter Keith Joseph. Wood was a fellow Etonian and the son of the 1st Earl of Halifax - but as a bitter Harold Wilson would learn, he was also Teflon. Labour attacks on 'inherited privilege' came off as simply callous against a double amputee who had served in World War 2 - and Wood had earned both the respect and the unity of the Conservative Party, even in hard economic times. Labour lost seats in 1974 - and Wilson stepped down, to be replaced by Michael Foot. Foot himself had a dispiriting four years trying to pin the nation's economic woes on the Conservatives, to little avail. His first break came in 1979 - when Wood suddenly resigned due to ill-health, and yet another Etonian emerged - young Paul Channon, who had served twenty years in Parliament - but been first elected at only 23. Channon paled in comparison to his predecessors - and a decline in the polls showed it. It looked like the days of aristocratic Tories would soon come to an end...
Rivers of not always going to be a dystopia how hard is that to understand
1963-1964: Reggie Maudling (Conservative)
1964-1965: Harold Wilson (Labour minority with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1964 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1965-1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1965 def. Reggie Maudling (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1970-1972: Enoch Powell (Conservative)
1970 def. Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1972-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1972 def. Enoch Powell (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), Ted Heath (Independent Conservative)
1976-1977: James Callaghan (Labour)
1977-1977: James Callaghan (Labour with supply and confidence from Liberals)
1977 (Jun) def. Neil Marten (Conservative), Frederick Rodger (Liberal), Kenneth Baker (Independent Conservative)
1977-1982: Neil Marten (Conservative)
1977 (Nov) def. James Callaghan (Labour), Frederick Rodger (Liberal), Mark Carlisle (Independent Conservative)
1981 def. John Silkin (Labour), Frederick Rodger (Liberal)
1982-: Timothy Raison (Conservative)
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Maudling failed twice as already related - and when the 14th Earl of Home was picked seemingly out of nowhere to be the next leader of the Conservative Party, many were aghast. Even his subsequent disclaiming of the earldom and election as MP for Hove could not make him seem less alien to most of the nation. He was elitist, not dynamic, and simply came across as a lesser light even when party leader. It is to his partial credit that Douglas-Home at least saw these shortcomings and tried to do something about them. His decision was to institute democratic Conservative leadership elections for the first time - doing away with the Magic Circle and replacing it with the vote of MPs - alongside the choices of Conservative voters at large. As a show of good faith - Douglas-Home himself would stand for reselection as leader in early 1968; in part as a good PR move, but the decision was also based on the relatively weak Conservative leadership.
In fact there would only be two serious challengers; Shadow Chancellor Iain MacLeod and Shadow Secretary of State for Defense Enoch Powell. Both were younger, more charismatic critics of Home - even if coming from different political directions. Powell had the right-most core of the party it seemed, while MacLeod was the 'electable' alternative to Home, who could present a more charismatic Conservative Party. All the smart money thought that Douglas-Home, already in charge, would have the backing of a large plurality of MPs - followed by MacLeod in second and Powell in a distant third. MacLeod would then presumably beat Douglas-Home among Conservative voters at large. The presumptive phrase here would be "wrong". Powell snatched second-place by two votes in a shock to MacLeod - in a textbook case of tactical voting; MPs in favor of Douglas-Home were convinced that Iain MacLeod would be a tougher opponent and had therefore discreetly swung their votes to Powell.
They would come to repent their decision, for Powell was an excellent orator above all and the speech he delivered during that leadership contest would never be forgotten. 'Rivers of Blood' was widely condemned in the media as racialist and horrid - but in the public at large Powell received overwhelming acclaim for sympathizing with their feelings of concern about mass immigration. And when it finally came to a popular vote, Powell beat Douglas-Home by 61.89 to 38.11% to become leader of the Conservative Party. Conservative MPs were rather less thrilled. But Powell had other priorities in his first year as leader - coming up with an economic plan that would significantly cut taxes, and offering a defense of the House of Lords that completely blunted Prime Minister's Wilson's efforts at reform.
Harold Wilson rather desperately looked for a drop in Powell's popularity as Parliament came to an end; but there was none. The beginnings of dissent were emerging from Ted Heath (MP for New Forest since late 1968) who had a sizable Europhile following that looked anxiously at Powell's economic policies. But although the canny Wilson tried to make 1970 an informal referendum on whether to join the EEC - Powell held his party together and won a forty seat majority, slightly underperforming the polls.
Powell's premiership itself would be - anticlimactic. Conservative MPs had no stomach for many of the things he was proposing - and his positions on NI and entering Europe were considerably out of line with the rest of his party, which was rather resenting the burden the electorate had forced on it. The final straw would come from Rhodesia - Powell continued to push for the Pearce Commission's plan despite the black citizens in Rhodesia widely disapproving of it; with even the foreign service reluctant to back him up on that decision. Ted Heath and a wild variety of fellow wets ended up defecting under the 'Independent Conservative' banner - and the Powell government collapsed. Wilson won handily - and the brief experiment with Powellism came to an end. Although Shadow Chancellor Neil Marten shared Powell's distaste for the E.U. - his first priority was reconciling with moderates in the party, and at his resignation in 1982 Timothy Raison would finally put the Powell wing of the party to bed.
Partycrasher Thatcher
1963-1969: Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative)
1964: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1969-1969: Iain MacLeod (Conservative)†
1969-1969: Peter Thorneycroft (Conservative)
1968-1969: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1969-: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1969: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
Partycrasher Thatcher (Comisario was quite right about John Smith - so I made this.)
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Even in her twenties there had been chatter about her becoming the first female Prime Minister. That talk had only intensified when she'd been a successful Health minister under Douglas-Home, and even more so when Iain MacLeod's first (and only) reshuffling had very surprisingly made her Secretary of State for Defense. And when MacLeod had died suddenly one morning from the stress of preparing for the election campaign - a shocked Peter Thorneycroft was appointing her to fill his spot as Home Secretary (while Quintin Hogg became the new Deputy Prime Minister in his stead) - and not so discreetly hinting that he would back her if she ran. After all, who else was there?
Ted Heath was still off being the Incredible Sulk after losing the last leadership contest - and Maudling was a two time loser and not exactly scandal-free. That left Soames - and who wanted another elitist when the country was well and tired of Douglas-Home? So she'd squeaked by to a win on the second ballot. She'd become the first female Prime Minister. And for all that, she was about to leave 10 Downing St. after what could only be described as a sickening, massive loss to Labour. Maybe if the Conservatives hadn't been in power so long - maybe if she had worked on her voice more - but no, none of that mattered now.
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sighed. It was Hugh Gaitskell's job now.
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Before Their Time
1977-1985: Lloyd M. Bentsen / John H. Glenn (Democratic)[1]
1976: Gerald R. Ford / Howard H. Baker (Republican), Eugene McCarthy / scattered (Independent)
1980: George H. W. Bush / Henry J. Hyde (Republican), Earl Clements / David Koch (Libertarian), Barry Commoner / LaDonna Harris (Citizens)
1985-1989: John H. Glenn / Jim Hunt (Democratic)[2]
1984: Phil Crane / Maureen E. Reagan (Republican), Barry Commoner / Ralph Nader (Citizens)
1989-1993: Warren Rudman / Murphy J. Foster Jr. (Republican)[3]
1988: John H. Glenn / Jim Hunt (Democratic)
1993-2001: John F. Kerry / John D. Rockefeller IV (Democratic)[4]
1992: Warren Rudman / Murphy J. Foster Jr. (Republican)
1996: Christine T. Whitman / Donald H. Rumsfeld (Republican), Donald Sterling / Barry McAffrey (Independent)
2001-2009: Barack H. Obama / John A. Boehner (Republican)[5]
2000: John D. Rockefeller IV / Louise Slaughter (Democratic)
2004: William J. Clinton / Johnny R. Edwards (Democratic)
[1]-Carter withdraws from the race early to deal with a fractured leg, and Lloyd Bentsen declares his candidacy earlier. He's able to cobble together some of Carter's team, and rakes in a respectable third in Iowa. Bentsen eventually scrapes to the nomination after the opposition divides itself sevenfold, and his quick wit endears him to the American electorate, despite accusations of being conciliatory to the Republican economic agenda by some. His presidency is defined by compromises on the budget to secure a surplus, as well as rapprochement with the Soviets combined with a defense buildup. It shows results, and with the successful transition of Iran to a constitutional monarchy in 1980, Bentsen's re-election over the hapless George Bush is secured. Further hardening against the USSR causes a reform period in the early 80's, culminating in a semi-peaceful collapse in 1985. At home, a balanced budget is reached by 1983, though many wonder if the cuts to public services was worth it. Bentsen's handpicked successor takes 1984 in a walk.
[2]-Glenn and his Secretary of State James Carter had to be careful in order to deal with the Soviet collapse, with neither man wanting things to go south. The conclusion of elections in 1987 wasn't the smoothest of things, but it went better than most expectations. At home, however, inflation was bouncing back up after a round of investments into housing, and price controls must be brought back to the chagrin of free market economists. Glenn is hampered by the slowing economy, and is defeated in 1988.
[3]-Rudman initiates a slow market based reform of the healthcare system along with tightening US ties to Iran, in an effort to push back against Saddam's Iraq. Rudman's fabled 'tech boom' of the early 90's fails to bear fruit despite his best intentions, and his focus on balancing the budget annoys those who are facing poorer and poorer job prospects. The 'numbers, rather than people' attack stuck, and he went down in defeat to the three term senator from Massachusetts.
[4]-Kerry's term is unusually quiet, as the EEC grows into the EU, and Iran begins free-market reforms. A terrorist attack on the Golden Gate Bridge in mid 1995 forces him to look outward, and initiate a crackdown on domestic terrorists. His second term shows few results as the Republican party takes congress in the 1998 midterms, and Kerry's proposed immigration reform plans are shelved except in piecemeal executive orders. The 2000 election would prove to be a very interesting affair indeed.
[5]-Obama, who was influenced to join the Republican party by his friends at Harvard, is elected to the house in 1990, despite the nationwide backlash against Rudman. He goes on to be elected New Hampshire Senator in 1996, replacing William Zeiff. He establishes himself as an opponent of Kerry's crackdown policies, and despite being written off as a stepping stone seeker when he launches his bid in 2000, he is catapulted into the nomination as his opponent John Bush fails to inspire confidence. As a sop to the right, he picks the firebrand Ohio Governor John Boehner. Attacks on his youth fail, and Obama wins in an unprecedented landslide. His two terms are defined as calm, surprising observers. A 'war on fear' is launched in 2007 after car bombs from rogue terrorist organizations in Sri Lanka detonate in New York, killing up to a thousand. His landmark health care package, which included payment reforms and an altering of cost-sharing rules, passed congress by watertight margins and was only carried by Democrats in the south. 2008 looks to be a close election, especially with Senator Giuliani taking the Democrats by storm.
1977-1985: Lloyd M. Bentsen / John H. Glenn (Democratic)[1]
1976: Gerald R. Ford / Howard H. Baker (Republican), Eugene McCarthy / scattered (Independent)
1980: George H. W. Bush / Henry J. Hyde (Republican), Earl Clements / David Koch (Libertarian), Barry Commoner / LaDonna Harris (Citizens)
1985-1989: John H. Glenn / Jim Hunt (Democratic)[2]
1984: Phil Crane / Maureen E. Reagan (Republican), Barry Commoner / Ralph Nader (Citizens)
1989-1993: Warren Rudman / Murphy J. Foster Jr. (Republican)[3]
1988: John H. Glenn / Jim Hunt (Democratic)
1993-2001: John F. Kerry / John D. Rockefeller IV (Democratic)[4]
1992: Warren Rudman / Murphy J. Foster Jr. (Republican)
1996: Christine T. Whitman / Donald H. Rumsfeld (Republican), Donald Sterling / Barry McAffrey (Independent)
2001-2009: Barack H. Obama / John A. Boehner (Republican)[5]
2000: John D. Rockefeller IV / Louise Slaughter (Democratic)
2004: William J. Clinton / Johnny R. Edwards (Democratic)
[1]-Carter withdraws from the race early to deal with a fractured leg, and Lloyd Bentsen declares his candidacy earlier. He's able to cobble together some of Carter's team, and rakes in a respectable third in Iowa. Bentsen eventually scrapes to the nomination after the opposition divides itself sevenfold, and his quick wit endears him to the American electorate, despite accusations of being conciliatory to the Republican economic agenda by some. His presidency is defined by compromises on the budget to secure a surplus, as well as rapprochement with the Soviets combined with a defense buildup. It shows results, and with the successful transition of Iran to a constitutional monarchy in 1980, Bentsen's re-election over the hapless George Bush is secured. Further hardening against the USSR causes a reform period in the early 80's, culminating in a semi-peaceful collapse in 1985. At home, a balanced budget is reached by 1983, though many wonder if the cuts to public services was worth it. Bentsen's handpicked successor takes 1984 in a walk.
[2]-Glenn and his Secretary of State James Carter had to be careful in order to deal with the Soviet collapse, with neither man wanting things to go south. The conclusion of elections in 1987 wasn't the smoothest of things, but it went better than most expectations. At home, however, inflation was bouncing back up after a round of investments into housing, and price controls must be brought back to the chagrin of free market economists. Glenn is hampered by the slowing economy, and is defeated in 1988.
[3]-Rudman initiates a slow market based reform of the healthcare system along with tightening US ties to Iran, in an effort to push back against Saddam's Iraq. Rudman's fabled 'tech boom' of the early 90's fails to bear fruit despite his best intentions, and his focus on balancing the budget annoys those who are facing poorer and poorer job prospects. The 'numbers, rather than people' attack stuck, and he went down in defeat to the three term senator from Massachusetts.
[4]-Kerry's term is unusually quiet, as the EEC grows into the EU, and Iran begins free-market reforms. A terrorist attack on the Golden Gate Bridge in mid 1995 forces him to look outward, and initiate a crackdown on domestic terrorists. His second term shows few results as the Republican party takes congress in the 1998 midterms, and Kerry's proposed immigration reform plans are shelved except in piecemeal executive orders. The 2000 election would prove to be a very interesting affair indeed.
[5]-Obama, who was influenced to join the Republican party by his friends at Harvard, is elected to the house in 1990, despite the nationwide backlash against Rudman. He goes on to be elected New Hampshire Senator in 1996, replacing William Zeiff. He establishes himself as an opponent of Kerry's crackdown policies, and despite being written off as a stepping stone seeker when he launches his bid in 2000, he is catapulted into the nomination as his opponent John Bush fails to inspire confidence. As a sop to the right, he picks the firebrand Ohio Governor John Boehner. Attacks on his youth fail, and Obama wins in an unprecedented landslide. His two terms are defined as calm, surprising observers. A 'war on fear' is launched in 2007 after car bombs from rogue terrorist organizations in Sri Lanka detonate in New York, killing up to a thousand. His landmark health care package, which included payment reforms and an altering of cost-sharing rules, passed congress by watertight margins and was only carried by Democrats in the south. 2008 looks to be a close election, especially with Senator Giuliani taking the Democrats by storm.
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