Julian the Apostate Lives Longer

I totally agree with that...
But it was because of his religious beliefs and his (or his ministers) persecutions of christians that Julian would be soon the victim of a plot...
After Julian's death many pagans with much more personal security than Julian were killed by avenging christians...
Even if it was a death by disease this could be seen as an act of divine punishment...
 
I totally agree with that...
But it was because of his religious beliefs and his (or his ministers) persecutions of christians that Julian would be soon the victim of a plot...
After Julian's death many pagans with much more personal security than Julian were killed by avenging christians...
Even if it was a death by disease this could be seen as an act of divine punishment...

More personal security than a Roman Emperor?

Who were these people? I know that Hypatia of Alexandria was killed by a Christian mob, but she didn't have a bodyguard or anything.
 
Here's another idea.

If Julian reigned for a lengthier period, might it be possible for him to beat the "persecutory meme" out of Christianity?

The only Christians that I can specifically recall being persecuted by Julian were those who participated in anti-pagan violence. Perhaps after a few decades of Julian's rule, even if he is succeeded by a Christian, the violently intolerant sorts of Christians will have been cleared from the gene pool, so to speak.

Instead of Theodosius and his Inquisition (!), we might have a Roman empire with full religious freedom.
 
Here's another idea.

If Julian reigned for a lengthier period, might it be possible for him to beat the "persecutory meme" out of Christianity?

The only Christians that I can specifically recall being persecuted by Julian were those who participated in anti-pagan violence. Perhaps after a few decades of Julian's rule, even if he is succeeded by a Christian, the violently intolerant sorts of Christians will have been cleared from the gene pool, so to speak.

Instead of Theodosius and his Inquisition (!), we might have a Roman empire with full religious freedom.

Unfortunately I think that is unlikely. After Julian's death, the Valetinianic model did allow for religious freedom in that while the emperors were Christian, the subjects were free to pick and choose. Unfortuinately, the same freedom was not extended to Christians who were required to 'toe the party line'.

The problem, I think, lies not in the social conditioning but in the 'internal contradictions inherent in the system', Comrades! Christianity developed a lot of its fundamental concepts at a time when it was a voluntary association whose members entertained fairly immediate eschatological expectations. As such, they were very preoccupied with believing the *right* thing because the Lord was coming soon(-ish), and he cared about those things. This mindset is singularly poorly qualified for running a 'big tent' organisation, and is bound to cause trouble down the line once you decree a Christian society. No matter how long Julian reigns, I don't see him getting that out of the church's system. Given enough time he could prevent (or at least significantly delay) the emergence of a Christian society.
 
Will your version be getting any updates anytime soon?

Here's another thought.

Julian was trying to establish a pagan priesthood based on the Christian church. If he reigned for a few years or more, might this lead to a more coherent classical paganism that could survive the end of the Empire?

Classical paganism (or at least the deistic sort favored by Julian) might occupy a status in medieval Europe similar to that of the Jews in OTL.
 
Will your version be getting any updates anytime soon?

Who knows? Any large-scale writing is kind of low in priority for me at the moment, which is one of the reasons for shift towards short stories... with everything going on in my life, there are things just a lot more important to me than writing. Later on, however, I might be interested in doing a rewrite, and expanding it to proper novel-length.
 
How was pagan priesthood organized anyway?

Four ways:

- priestly functions that devolve as an adjunct of another role. Every head of a household, magistrate of a community, official of the empire or officer in the military fulfilled ritual functions as part of his job.

- priesthoods as vocations. Some cultic communities maintained ritual specialists whose sole job was being priests. Some were required to keep certain commandments, go through certain initiation rites (sometimes pretty drastic - self-castration is a famous one) or serve an apprenticeship. These people were closest to what we think of when we say 'priests'. The whole affair could run the gamut from a near-starving hermit keeping an abandoned sanctuary in repair to the high priests of temples effectively governing entire counties.

- priesthoods as offices. Some communities elected their priests, with the various priesthoods being coveted (if sometimes expensive) honours and valuable political capital. Caesar started his career with election to the pontificate. Some priesthoods of this kind were also within the gift of kings or emperors, e.g. the priesthoods of the imperial cult of Rome which, being opwen to freedmen, became an important source of social status for this otherwise marginalised group of upwardly mobile citizens.

- priesthood by lifestyle or knowledge. The ancient world had its own brands of sadhus, often itinerant wise men, witch-doctors and miracle workers.

Like almost everything in the ancient world, all of these things were organised at the city-state level. Things could be different from one town to another, especially in places lkike Greece or Syria where difference was seen as a virtue.
 
Julian was quite lenient to Christians really, his actions toward them were mostly just ignoring them (one case of allowing a pagan mob kill a bishop, punishing said mob but not harshly).

Actually, Julian's Sol Invinctus (King Helios) church was almost Monotheistic, a possible replace for the Church, with of course good religious toleration.
 
If he is smart, Julian makes a point of breaking the political influence of the Church while not taking any action against it otherwise, and avoids letting the temples he favors gain a similar monopoly. In short split worldly from sacred affairs and strengthen alligence to the Roman state alongside whatever gods you honor.

If that pattern is established... things get a lot better for all manner of heretics and nonbeleivers (i.e. they do not flee to Persia or open the gates to Arab invaders).

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