Best the Jews could probably hope for would be some sort of autonomous zone around Tel Aviv- any Israel similar to that of OTL seems implausible.
Yeah, I'll agree here. The Jews will be allowed to live and work in Palestine if they wish, anything involving autonomy won't be allowed.There will be no autonomous Jewish zone - I think that's inconceivable. The Ottoman government at this time was on a strong centralization drive and even revoked the Organic Law that governed the autonomy of Mt. Lebanon. They are certainly not going to give any to Zionists, whose program is to create a Jewish state on Ottoman territory!
Depends how far the British have gotten up to this point- a Balfour Declaration would seem to indicate they're pretty far into Palestine. They might be able to get it in the peace deal, then again if the Brits would get any land I think they'd be more concerned about getting it in Iraq.A CP victory is a pretty big setback for Zionism, at least Palestine-centered Zionism. I wonder if this would create a greater impetus for locating a Jewish state elsewhere? And if elswhere, where? If the war ends after something like the Balfour Declaration, the British government is in a bit of a pickle.
Yeah, I'll agree here. The Jews will be allowed to live and work in Palestine if they wish, anything involving autonomy won't be allowed.
Depends how far the British have gotten up to this point- a Balfour Declaration would seem to indicate they're pretty far into Palestine. They might be able to get it in the peace deal, then again if the Brits would get any land I think they'd be more concerned about getting it in Iraq.
IOTL, there were plans to colonize Anatolia with German settlers alongside tha Bagdad trails. I think in a CP-victorious Timeline, the Germans would concentrate on the Ottoman Empire as a vassal-like state - of course, this depends on how the Cp win, whether Britain is truly defeated...
Furthermore, someone once stated in this forum that the Zionists proposed a Jewish state to the Kaiser once. The Kaiser wouldn't be to reluctant to let all Jews emmigrate from Germany or its new possessions in the east. This could lead to a very easy installment of german war goals: The Germans wanted to colonize land in the east. When the Jews there go to Palestine under German "protection", Germans could move in. Germany would win a thankful, relyable ally next to the Suez channel, to.
The question is what state the Ottoman Empire is in after the war. The Germans expected it to be rather weakened and therefore dominated by Germany, and I'd agree with that the later the war ended.
Who says there's an Israel at all? Without the Holocaust there's nothing to bring the plight of the Jews to worldwide attention.You could try the Uganada Plan?
Or maybe the Falklands...or Western Australia?
Them gaining independence IOTL involved an incredible amount of luck. Here it would be almost impossible.Do the Zionists really need to wait for the Ottomans to grant them any kind of autonomy? In OTL, the ideology certainly was virulent enough to inspire many people to take up armed struggle. Could TTL witness some kind of War of Israeli Secession?
Do the Zionists really need to wait for the Ottomans to grant them any kind of autonomy? In OTL, the ideology certainly was virulent enough to inspire many people to take up armed struggle. Could TTL witness some kind of War of Israeli Secession?
It depends on how the OE coems out of it. If Germany wins but the OE is badly battered, then Germany might simpl ytry to, ah,s alvage as much of the OE as possible. Hertzl initially planned to have the Kaiser be the protector of the Jewish state, and planned that the states language be German. And I can see how some anti-semite-but-not-genocidal forces in Germany would want to solve "the Jewish question this way".
Before the war, the Jews in Germany were promised equal rights if they fought - which they did. Instead, the idea of the Jewish Homeland could be sold to them as reward instead.
I must say I am (like maybe most here) not entriely informed a sto the situation of the OE during the war. I just assumed a scenario for a badly bruised OE.
Hm. Still, apart from the region, my logic IMO still makes some sense. So maybe indeed the Uganda scheme? GB gives up the colony, and the Germans try toe stablish a jewish state there...