Faeelin
Banned
Thank you for being specific. You are so far the only one willing to get to the point rather than hide behind vague wording.
There are two seperate issues here. 1) How rich were the merchants compared with corrupt ministers? 2) How much influence could wealth buy?
The first is easier to quantify. In the time of Ming emperor Wanli, one tael of silver (roughly one Troy ounce) could buy two shi of rice, or 188.8kg. So how wealthy were these super rich Ming dynasty merchants? Well lets use an imprecise comparison with the modern American economic world. You could buy that much rice today on the cheap for $80. One hundred thousand taels of silver should have the market value of $8,000,000. Since "The richest may have had several hundreds of thousands (taels of silver)", it would mean they were perhaps worth $20 million dollars. Is this super rich? Certainly not by modern American standards. You're not even a player unless you have $50-100 million these days.
How rich then could a corrupt minister get? When Heshen was arrested his confescated property was valued at 1.1 Billion taels of silver. That's $88 billion dollars. As we can see, there is absolutely no comparison between a rich merchant and a corrupt minister.
Except these were typical merchants in the provinces, and you're taking statements about the value of Heshen at face
value, which, if true, would mean he was richer than the imperial treasury.
And if we are looking at merchants such as the Zheng family of the 17th century, who were rich enough to build their own military, then your argument looks even more dubious.
And since there were merchants who bought titles such as the equivalent of Marquis, we know that is wrong.
And I also find the idea of mapping Chinese currency onto modern America to get an equivalent very dubious, especially given your weird projection of the price of modern foodstuffs onto premodern China.
In fact, I will now ask where you're getting your info on Heshen, who you seem to hold up as a normal character, from.
(Ten bucks says it's that awful 1587: A Year of No Significance).