How would a remaining/strong Byzantine Empire have responded to greater exploration

So a Byzantine Empire that maintains core territories and is strong through the discovery of the Americas and alternate trade routes. How does it respond? Does it send it's own trade ships and explorers? Try any colonies etc.
 
I think Byzantium would instead try to gain influence or control over Egypt, in order to get access to India. Its position far east into the Mediterranean was unfavourable for sending ships into the Atlantic, barring a scenario where the empire keeps the Gibraltar Straits as a result of no or less successful Arab conquests.
 
So a Byzantine Empire that maintains core territories and is strong through the discovery of the Americas and alternate trade routes. How does it respond? Does it send it's own trade ships and explorers? Try any colonies etc.
Being in the Mediterranean it's not suited for such things, but that didn't stop Tuscany and Malta from trying, though it likely wouldn't have much more success than they did.
 
Yeah, while the idea of a “Roman America” sounds really cool in hindsight, there really isn’t much reason or even chance for the Byzantine Empire to send explorers. Certainly, nothing like Cortes or Pizzaro’s conquests is even remotely possible with Byzantine generals. Maybe they could grab an island or two... but what’s stopping Spain from taking it? It’s not like the Pope is going to defend the Empire at this point.

What’s stopping Spain from closing Gibraltar off from Bryzantine sailors if a conflict starts? Who would even want to sail directly from Constantinople to the Americas? All of these problems add up and just make the whole thing implausible.

They would probably just try and finally find a way to get to the East Indies themselves... the problem is that Portugal would easily beat them there with Da Gama. Maybe they have better trade goods than Portugal... what’s stopping Portugal from hiring privateers? Not being Catholic nearly ruins the Eastern Romans’ chances, honestly.
 
An errant member of the Imperial Family becomes an adventurer and conquers Mexico, of course ;)

But seriously, I don’t see the Byzzies having much interest in colonizing—the Ottomans IOTL are probably a good parallel in this situation. Maybe during a Scramble for Africa sort of situation they’d grab something only to lose it within a century or less.
 
If you really want to give the Byzantines a settler colony, I would suggest the following:

Have the Byzantines reconquer Egypt and use that to engage in the Indian trade. Have a Byzantine sailor discover Australia and for the Empire to view it as a good place to settle for ... reasons. Boom. Byzantine Australia :)
 
We could have a PoD far enough back for Justinian’s conquests to succeed so that Byzantium has a base in southern Spain/western Africa to launch expeditions from, if they’re so inclined.
 
What are the "core territories" in this context? Would we include much of the Balkans and southern Italy? All of Anatolia, or merely the coastline?
 
We could have a PoD far enough back for Justinian’s conquests to succeed so that Byzantium has a base in southern Spain/western Africa to launch expeditions from, if they’re so inclined.

What are the "core territories" in this context? Would we include much of the Balkans and southern Italy? All of Anatolia, or merely the coastline?

I left it open so you could tailor it depending on what you thought was plausible for a surviving Byzantine Empire to have. There are soo many iterations like above.

Like there could be a scenario that allows the Byzantines to hold onto Gibraltar.

I wonder if the Byzantines would be motivated to build a Suez Canal equivalent if they had control of the area.
 
Yeah, while the idea of a “Roman America” sounds really cool in hindsight, there really isn’t much reason or even chance for the Byzantine Empire to send explorers. Certainly, nothing like Cortes or Pizzaro’s conquests is even remotely possible with Byzantine generals. Maybe they could grab an island or two... but what’s stopping Spain from taking it? It’s not like the Pope is going to defend the Empire at this point.

What’s stopping Spain from closing Gibraltar off from Bryzantine sailors if a conflict starts? Who would even want to sail directly from Constantinople to the Americas? All of these problems add up and just make the whole thing implausible.

They would probably just try and finally find a way to get to the East Indies themselves... the problem is that Portugal would easily beat them there with Da Gama. Maybe they have better trade goods than Portugal... what’s stopping Portugal from hiring privateers? Not being Catholic nearly ruins the Eastern Romans’ chances, honestly.
There’s no telling as to whether there will be a ‘Spain’ in this scenario.
 
If you really want to give the Byzantines a settler colony, I would suggest the following:

Have the Byzantines reconquer Egypt and use that to engage in the Indian trade. Have a Byzantine sailor discover Australia and for the Empire to view it as a good place to settle for ... reasons. Boom. Byzantine Australia :)

This is literally the synopsis of an EUIII game I played back in the day. Although, the game mechanics were such that the lack of a Suez canal meant that the easiest way to colonize Australia was to move the capital to Egypt because otherwise the "range" to Australia was calculated going through the straits of Gibraltar and all the way around Africa.
 
Byzantines wont start the explorations for sure. Either they have Gibraltar in which case they most likely have all their eastern posessions - including Egypt as well. As these were much more important to the Empire its hard to imagine it losing them but managing to hold on to the far away and unimportant Gibraltar. In this case they already have trade with india and have n incentive to search for an alternate route. So they will be latecomers. If they are reduced to the Balkans and Anatolia, maybe southern Italy than they will be in a bad position to really participate especially early.
 

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A Byzantium of Justinian's size(or more) could get heavily involved in the indian ocean trade and the struggle for power there during the 15ht and 16th centuries.

As well as eastern Africa and india.

The byzantines would probably be unable to compete in the Americas unless they were massive wanked and had spain, Italy, and north Africa under their control and crushed Persia, their European enemies, and the arabs/turks.

Though in that case the incentive to go west would not exist beyond the more advanced ships which would the Americas anyway by 1600 at the latest.
 
It does depend on what "Strong" means. Strong could include Egypt, and Africa, and even Spain.

Egypt - you're looking Eastward, and reactions to guard control over trade - so perhaps expeditions to places like Zanzibar and Socotra - control the ports.
Africa - potentially cut off trade there, or partake.
Spain - VERY well placed to partake - but you're likely to see Constantinople have a sister city in Cadiz/Tangiers as a result.
 
In order to successfully compete in the Americas, Byzance would need to be an Atlantic power. Which means at least hanging on to the territories it had under Justinian or even to extend them. I don't think that's a realistic scenario, and in any case it would lead to a very different world from the one we know.
It also may be said that the kind of colonialisation we had IOTL was due to a competition between middle-sized nation states that led to the technological progress that made colonisation possible and made it impossible to achieve hegemony over the other nation states, so leading to these states looking for controlling trade routes and advantages in territories outside Europe. The biggest territorial empires (Austro-Hungary, Russia, China, the Ottomans) were not succesful in assembling (or didn't even try for) the kind of far-flung colonial empires that the smaller European nations created - they preferred territorially contiguous expansion. A huge Byzantine Empire (BE) as needed for an "Atlantic" scenario might very well not be interested in colonialisation.
A non-Atlantic Byzantine empire with Syria and Egyp (e.g. in a scenario without Islam, or where the BE keeps the Islamic expansion from spreading out of the Arab peninsula), would be in a similar position to the Ottoman Empire - busy with vying for influence in the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean and Northern Africa, the historical rivalry with Persia, profiting from its position across the pre-age-of-discovery trade routes, keeping its diverse subjects together - and therefore miss the boat on the new trade routes and decay until it's too late.
A BE consisting basically of Anatolia plus Greece (its core territories) would be a contender in the Mediterranean, but it would lack possession of the outlets out of that sea needed to take part in the colonisation game.
 
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I cant imagine a surviving Byzantine Empire being anymore focused on colonies than their heir, the Ottoman Empire. Others have illustrated the challenges of going West. In addition, they have enemies or potential enemies on all borders - Austrians, Russians, and Persians (or whatever controls the middle east) with the Italian States, French, and Spanish competing in the central Med. It's hard to look far away when you have so much to worry about right no your border.
 
As of others have said, I doubt Constantinople would have much impetus to do colonization projects, at least not initially. That said, a hypothetical "Exarchate of Hispania" might be interested in doing so for its own purposes.
 
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