How COULD Nazi Germany win WWII?

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Just a thought. Am I not right in thinking that by the 1930s there were more Americans with German antecedents than British by 1930? How about Hitler exports National Socialism to the USA? If they demonise Blacks instead of Jews it should go down a storm in the South and some of the Northern cities. With the USA on your side war looks like a much better bet.
 
Hitler does not declare war on the US December 11th, 1941.

Without US aid and support Great Britain is forced entirely on the defensive and sues for peace after Stalin yields in early 1943, based on the discussions between the Soviets and the Nazis ceding the Baltic States, Belarus and the western third of the Ukraine.
 
Just a thought. Am I not right in thinking that by the 1930s there were more Americans with German antecedents than British by 1930? How about Hitler exports National Socialism to the USA? If they demonise Blacks instead of Jews it should go down a storm in the South and some of the Northern cities. With the USA on your side war looks like a much better bet.

Why would German-Americans be any more likely to support the Nazis than the British?
 
Just a thought. Am I not right in thinking that by the 1930s there were more Americans with German antecedents than British by 1930? How about Hitler exports National Socialism to the USA? If they demonise Blacks instead of Jews it should go down a storm in the South and some of the Northern cities. With the USA on your side war looks like a much better bet.
As for your first statistic- only technically. Any sort of German-American nationalism that connected to Germany was wiped out by WW1, and wasn't too prevalent before that anyway. Any sort of Nazi attempt to form say, a "German-American Bund", isn't going to work well.
 
Depends what one means by "win".

If one means one big world map with a swastika flag over the non Japanese and non Italian parts, you'd probably need a PoD so far in the past that the rise of the Nazi party itself becomes uncertain.

If one means a world in which Nazi Germany succeeds in holding onto most of its west European conquests, and this outcome is eventually ratified by a treaty of some sort, I believe there are two times when this conceivably could have happened: (1) British acceptance of armistice terms after the fall of France or (less likely but not completely impossible) after (2) A complete German victory in the D-Day invasion. Also, these leave out the German/USSR conflict, which really makes any sort of peaceful end to WW2 short of complete German defeat improbable. Would, could the Nazis have ever accepted a powerful USSR over the long haul?
 
Depends what one means by "win".

If one means one big world map with a swastika flag over the non Japanese and non Italian parts, you'd probably need a PoD so far in the past that the rise of the Nazi party itself becomes uncertain.

If one means a world in which Nazi Germany succeeds in holding onto most of its west European conquests, and this outcome is eventually ratified by a treaty of some sort, I believe there are two times when this conceivably could have happened: (1) British acceptance of armistice terms after the fall of France or (less likely but not completely impossible) after (2) A complete German victory in the D-Day invasion. Also, these leave out the German/USSR conflict, which really makes any sort of peaceful end to WW2 short of complete German defeat improbable. Would, could the Nazis have ever accepted a powerful USSR over the long haul?


I think a Nazi-Soviet Cold War may have resulted. Ironically, Soviet Communism may end up even more nationalistic (as in Russian/panslavic nationism) than was the case in our timeline. Expect proxy states to be formed in Western Asia, and the eventual collapse of Japan.
 
I agree that one possible way was make peace with UK in 1940, but the second one has to be defeat of the USSR. It had it best and perhaps only chance to success in Barbarrosa, in summer 1941. By D-Day, in mid-1944, Germany was doomed no matter what. An allied defeat only would have meant that the soviets take all of Germany and maybe some more countries.
A cold war with the soviets is higly unlikely, both regimes could not co-exist for long, and there were no atoms and no MAD then.
 
No they had not....thats just false.
nazi war machinery reached 100% at 1944 (!), not 1936.


What many people don't seem to realise is that in 1936 Hitler elected to go for a 'limited war economy' and 'supersize' the defensive infantry army to win multi month campaigns....rather than wait until the mid 1940s for the synthetic/secured resource base to support the 'total war economy' able to win a multi year war. He gambled that European powers were too weak to resist his superior racial army in 1939/40. So hitler gambled and lost in 1936.
 
Perhaps winning the Battle of Crete much quicker, scattering British Forces, then invading Cyprus, and invading Syria, spark a much more successful Golden Square revolt in Iraq, and military access in Iran
 
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