And the Germans do not have enough rubber to make the wheels or tracks on the Sherman. The tracks are too narrow for the mud and snow on the eastern front.
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How could Germany's economy have been better organized in World War 2?
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I don't think he meant the Sherman specifically more like "Take a page out of the American playbook and make Panzer III and IV tanks in as large a number as you can , wait until you have a number of upgrades available and do them all at once instead of slowing production with every little change , standardize parts and make sure they are interchangeable and go with what you got now instead of waiting for something that won't be good to go until the war is or soon will be over."
BlackDragon98
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Making the Ostketten standard before the war would have been nice.
Or maybe have Hitler be posted to the Eastern Front in WW1 for a short period of time so he can have a taste of the mud and snow.
McPherson
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Well, if the criminal Nazi regime had not started a racist colonialist imperialist war and murdered millions of human beings, and played footsie with Stalin and committed atrocities and crimes so heinous that the word "Nazi" is an instant expletive and a shorthand description for a piece of walking human insanity who believes/believed in what the Hitlerite regime did, that is if Germany had been a rational nation between 1920 and 1950... they might have had the technology.
As it was... the United States beat them to it. And it used it against them.
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Tanks are the last problem the germans had in the war,not to mention that pz 4 was a good wast of resources since before the war nobody was thinking of a long barbell 75,the only discution was between a 5 or 3,7 and the pz iii could mount both the short 7,5 ,5 and ,3.7 so the Germans where lucky with the support pz iv,
But before that the have a problem with the lack of manpower in the industry, agriculture,etc, because they would not women study or work,the excluded the Jews becasue ...., They conscript a large part of the man, and the they took the horses out of agriculture.
And then there is the resources problem form fact trying to excluded them self form world trade,even though they eventually began to abandon this policy eventually.
And there are there "allies" by the Hungarian army rech Stalingrad they hand a to "barrow" shoes from the russians and Ukrainian peasants, they hand a problem with the lack of equipment one of the reasons been that they hand a beef with the Romanians so they keept some of back home for just in case or a future fight,and what they had broken down.
So let women study and work causes you will need doctors and workes,
Don't exclude your self form world trade
Find a a way to get your allies to work together.
But before that the have a problem with the lack of manpower in the industry, agriculture,etc, because they would not women study or work,the excluded the Jews becasue ...., They conscript a large part of the man, and the they took the horses out of agriculture.
And then there is the resources problem form fact trying to excluded them self form world trade,even though they eventually began to abandon this policy eventually.
And there are there "allies" by the Hungarian army rech Stalingrad they hand a to "barrow" shoes from the russians and Ukrainian peasants, they hand a problem with the lack of equipment one of the reasons been that they hand a beef with the Romanians so they keept some of back home for just in case or a future fight,and what they had broken down.
So let women study and work causes you will need doctors and workes,
Don't exclude your self form world trade
Find a a way to get your allies to work together.
Indeed.
Had they not run the Germany economy into the ground and cut Germany off from world trade1930s they would not have needed to go on a war of conquest to get the resources that they were unwill to trade for in the 1930s.
Then again had they run a proper economy in the 1930s they would not be the cartoon villains we know from history.
Even with a property functioning economy in the 1930s, it is still possible they may have come into conflict with the Soviet Union.
I suspect any such conflict would probably be one where they were defending against a soviet invasion and Germany might have had help from the British and French and Poland etc.
The National Socialist German Workers Party were too racist and economically illiterate to do any thing other than what they did OTL.
Step one in that is not to sharply cut spending on railroad maintenance in the prewar period so you have money to build more weapons. As is the USMRR from the ACW did a better job with the railroads then the Germans did almost 80 years later.
OTL a lot of money was diverted from railroads to building autobahns and other worthless mega civil engineering projects. Autobahns were not of much use during the war.
That also, the Nazis were clueless about economics. Although they were good at financial con jobs like the MEFO bills. VW was good as con job as the company started by the Nazis didn't provide a single civilian car that people paid for. The company went bankrupt after the war and didn't provide a single car, it wasn't until it came out of bankruptcy post-war that it started building civilian cars.
Indeed.
It was a good thing that they were that bad at economics.
Imagine how much more suffering they could have inflicted if they had an efficiently run economy.
I suspect even if the invasion of the Soviet Union had succeeded and they had done a peace deal with the western allies their own economic incompetents would have lead sooner or later lead to economic collapse and the end of the 3rd Reich.
Thankfully the national socialist works party has been consigned to the circular filing cabinet of history.
As was said later "It's the economy, stupid"
A thread with related content: AHC: Improve the Italian military's performance in WW2.
IOTL Upper Silesia voted to remain part of Germany in the plebiscite that was held in 1921, but it was split between Poland and Germany.
The part that went to Poland included a significant proportion of Germany's anthracite coal, lead and zinc mines. Had that part of Silesia remained part of Germany the raw materials it produced would have helped Germany rearm.
Polish Silesia had a population of 1,298,352 according to Poland's 1931 Census. Had they been citizens of Germany instead of Poland the Nazi Government would have had a few more taxpayers to finance Germany's rearmament.
The part that went to Poland included a significant proportion of Germany's anthracite coal, lead and zinc mines. Had that part of Silesia remained part of Germany the raw materials it produced would have helped Germany rearm.
Polish Silesia had a population of 1,298,352 according to Poland's 1931 Census. Had they been citizens of Germany instead of Poland the Nazi Government would have had a few more taxpayers to finance Germany's rearmament.
Garrison
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Sorry but German women did work, that they did so primarily in agriculture meant there weren't large numbers available for recruitment into industry.
Germany's problems with world trade could have been addressed as previously commented on, but given the economic coniditions of the 1930s its doubtful they could have grown their GDP.
Germany's allies were by and large useless, far from retaining forces to defend against Germany had send its own troops to bail out the Italians on multiple occasions.
marathag
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Use coal powered steamers instead of horses for Henry service.
Doesn't wreck the farm sector when the draft horses are drafted for military service, they stay in Germany taking care of the small farm plots in Germany, keeping farm production normal.
Sure would love to have an 8hp Volksdampfmachine to replace the work horses on the farm as well, but in Nazi Germany, Armed Forces come first.
marathag
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Want them to do better? Don't screw them over with one sided trade deals.
Give the Italians and Romanians the French Tanks, guns and aircraft, don't sell them the leaving the junk the Heer didn't want,, at exorbitant prices.
Garrison
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Farm productivity would still have dropped drastically as the men were either drafted into the army or factories, while at the same time being cut off from supplies of imported fertilizers and animal feed also drastically cut output, not to mention years of bad harvests that were beyond anyone's control. Germany's economy in the 1930s was a case of 'too many glasses not enough bottles'. There simply wasn't enough of, anything, to sustain the Nazi's goals. Sure a more rational approach is possible, but then there isn't going to a Wehrmacht capable of fighting in the West in 1939-40.
Garrison
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The Heer needed that artillery and tanks themselves and frankly Romania etal. are trivial contributors to the German war effort in terms of fighting in the field. As the French demonstrated quality of equipment doesn't have much to do with combat abilities.
marathag
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Quality wasn't as important as not having enough of any quantity.
Using obsolete 25mm AT guns isn't great, but beats throwing grenades, hoping to knock off a track before being overrun by a T-70 light tank.
Germany needed the minor Axis powers to fill gaps in the front. When ill equipped, you get Stalingrad.
Just give them all the French and Polish 75mm guns, they use the same ammo. Have Romanians working in the Captured French factories making spares and reloads. They needed to doNazi Lend-Lease, not overcharge on 'free' gear that was captured.