Hitler steps down from military posts after Stalingrad

[Zack M]

Hitler suffers a heart attack when he is told of Field Marshall Paulus's surrender at Stalingrad.

Hitler survives...Goebbels and Bormann put their rivalry aside to persuade Hitler to let the generals do their job...Hitler finally agrees

Von Runshedt takes over as supreme military commander...Von Bock is appointed chief of the wehrmacht....Keitel is forcibly retired...and Milch replaces Goering as head of the luftwaffe.

Head of the Afrikakorps Rommel is sent reinforcements of 150,000 men...and Von Manstein is given full authority on the eastern front with promise of no inteference.

Would the war have played out differently....because even after stalingrad..the Germans were still in with a chance

 

[hasdrubal barca]

This sounds intriguing can we get Guderian a postion somewhere,

 

[Lord Grattan]

More likely, Hitler tires of both and, perceiving a threat to his hold on power, has them arrested and hanged.

 

[kung Zog]

Hitler suffers a heart attack when he is told of Field Marshall Paulus's surrender at Stalingrad.

Hitler survives...Goebbels and Bormann put their rivalry aside to persuade Hitler to let the generals do their job...Hitler finally agrees

Von Runshedt takes over as supreme military commander...Von Bock is appointed chief of the wehrmacht....Keitel is forcibly retired...and Milch replaces Goering as head of the luftwaffe.

Head of the Afrikakorps Rommel is sent reinforcements of 150,000 men...and Von Manstein is given full authority on the eastern front with promise of no inteference.

Would the war have played out differently....because even after stalingrad..the Germans were still in with a chance

No no no. Interference formed the very basis of strategy in every state active in the war. The question was the extent and quality of such interference.

And, Hitler would never ever allow himself to be replaced by a military dictatorship unless he is really really damaged by the heart attack. That is damaged enough that he can't think at all and the Generals force an agreement on him. Party members like Bormann and Goebbels would take power themselves before handing it over to some random untrustworthy generals.

Most likely the result would be senior nazis trying to take back the power and if that fail force it back by violent means using the SS. They may fail or succeed but they will try.

 

[CthulhuFhtagn]

Hitler suffers a heart attack when he is told of Field Marshall Paulus's surrender at Stalingrad.

Hitler survives...Goebbels and Bormann put their rivalry aside to persuade Hitler to let the generals do their job...Hitler finally agrees

Von Runshedt takes over as supreme military commander...Von Bock is appointed chief of the wehrmacht....Keitel is forcibly retired...and Milch replaces Goering as head of the luftwaffe.

Head of the Afrikakorps Rommel is sent reinforcements of 150,000 men...and Von Manstein is given full authority on the eastern front with promise of no inteference.

Would the war have played out differently....because even after stalingrad..the Germans were still in with a chance

No, they weren't. Germany had no chance at all. By February 2, 1943, it was already too late. The USSR has finally mobilized its ridiculously large army, and now outnumbers Axis forces in the East 2 to 1. The US has started to steamroller Japan, and is fully committed to the war in Europe. American factories already produce more than the entire Axis Powers combined. Germany has already lost in North Africa. The naval battle is even more ridiculously lopsided than it was in 1939, and Allied forces have complete control of the oceans around Europe.

Germany can't win the war at this point. It can delay its own defeat by a few months (maybe even a year), but it can't win.

 

[DoomBunny]

Hitler suffers a heart attack when he is told of Field Marshall Paulus's surrender at Stalingrad.

Hitler survives...Goebbels and Bormann put their rivalry aside to persuade Hitler to let the generals do their job...Hitler finally agrees

Von Runshedt takes over as supreme military commander...Von Bock is appointed chief of the wehrmacht....Keitel is forcibly retired...and Milch replaces Goering as head of the luftwaffe.

Head of the Afrikakorps Rommel is sent reinforcements of 150,000 men...and Von Manstein is given full authority on the eastern front with promise of no inteference.

Nothing made sense.

Would the war have played out differently....because even after stalingrad..the Germans were still in with a chance

And then it made even less sense.

 

[Zack M]

Nothing made sense.



And then it made even less sense.

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

 

[CthulhuFhtagn]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

No, they had no chance at all. In case you didn't see my earlier post:

By February 2, 1943, (the day that the Battle of Stalingrad ended) it was already too late. The USSR has finally mobilized its ridiculously large army, and now outnumbers Axis forces in the East 2 to 1. The US has started to steamroller Japan, and is fully committed to the war in Europe. American factories already produce more than the entire Axis Powers combined. Germany has already lost in North Africa. The naval battle is even more ridiculously lopsided than it was in 1939, and Allied forces have complete control of the oceans around Europe.

Germany can't win the war at this point. It can delay its own defeat by a few months (maybe even a year), but it can't win.

 

[Kung Fucious]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

No, they never had a chance. Even if a heart attack knocked the crazy out of Hitler, or Valkyrie-style coup took place and you'd get an ultra-rational cabal of General's running the show who somehow manage to stalemate the Russians, the jig is up. Either the US and the British/Commonwealth forces land in France and march to Berlin, or Germany get's glassed. The path to victory for the German's at that point is so narrow that it may as well be zero.

 

[kung Zog]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

No they didn't have any chance what so ever.

 

[DoomBunny]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

Winning wars is not about winning battles.

 

[Kung Fucious]

No they didn't have any chance whatsoever.

"Operation Barbarossa had started out on a wing and a prayer. But now the wing was on fire, and the prayer had been answered...by Satan."

 

[Faeelin]

A bunch of generals later write memoirs saying they didn't win because Hitler didn't appoint them supreme generalissimo, leading to infighting that stopped their brilliance.

 

[eliphas8]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

You focus too much on the battles, which ultimately aren't that important. At this point in the war unless Germany was fighting with an army of atomic super men they had no chance because the soviets had such a crushing demographic and industrial advantage over Germany. There's no winning at that point. There's only making the road to Berlin bloodier.

 

[AdA]

A bunch of generals later write memoirs saying they didn't win because Hitler didn't appoint them supreme generalissimo, leading to infighting that stopped their brilliance.

The best selling being von Mainstein's "lost victories" in which he claims that without Hitler to provide national political unity and motivation he was unable to win despite being in genius mode the whole time

 

[oshron]

ASB. hitler would NEVER step down.

if he were to have an unfortunate "accident," though....

 

[RousseauX]

The only battle on the eastern front In which Hitler had no say was the 3rd battle of Kharkov...and the Germans destroyed 53 soviet divisions in 12 days...this was fought immediatly after stalingrad...so yeah the Germans were in with a chance

Kharkov was basically the last great German victory on the eastern front and even then the casualty ratio was something like 2.5:1 Soviet:German. This which -favors- the Allies.

 

[Ultimate Paragon]

I really think this should be in ASB.

 

[MerryPrankster]

Hitler willingly giving up any power would require something of a personality transplant or the equivalent brain damage due to his heart attack affecting the blood supply to his brain.

 

[Anaxagoras]

Head of the Afrikakorps Rommel is sent reinforcements of 150,000 men

On top of what was being sent to Tunisia IOTL? I don't think that's logistically possible. And even if it was, it might well create more logistical headaches for the Axis forces, since they were hard pressed to keep the forces they already had in the theater properly supplied and fueled.