Hesperia
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I finnally figured out how to get a map into paint and how to use the program.
now the upload isn't working.
Any idea on Brazil. Some one pointed out that some of my Sailors may be blown over that way.
IOTL there were Moroccoan Cities in the late 700~early 800 time frame that still spoke "Latin" and condidered themselves as part of the Roman Empire, They were finally Assimulated into the Berber Islamic Culture by the "Almorvids". The Almorvids [ Warriors of the frountiers] were a Militarat Sect, arising around 1000 AD that beleived in a strict form of Islam, and used force to Push the Frountier outward.
In the 950 time Vikings raided not only Britian and the north sea areas, but also raided Spain & North Africa on their way to settleing in Sciliy.
ITTL Due to Hesperia in the South and the Settlemnt of the Carnary Islands, The whole Moroccoan coast was more developed.
SO WI Some of the Vikings settle in my Morocco, ~ 950~1000, forming a Norse kingdom [like Normandy]. As they were still a Mixture of Pagans & New Christians, how would they get along with the Trader Berbers [lslamic- but trade more important], & the "Romans"? Could they hold out when the Almovids, [Allah above all else] start attacking ~1050?
I finnally figured out how to get a map into paint and how to use the program.
now the upload isn't working.
Any idea on Brazil. Some one pointed out that some of my Sailors may be blown over that way.
IOTL there were Moroccoan Cities in the late 700~early 800 time frame that still spoke "Latin" and condidered themselves as part of the Roman Empire, They were finally Assimulated into the Berber Islamic Culture by the "Almorvids". The Almorvids [ Warriors of the frountiers] were a Militarat Sect, arising around 1000 AD that beleived in a strict form of Islam, and used force to Push the Frountier outward.
In the 950 time Vikings raided not only Britian and the north sea areas, but also raided Spain & North Africa on their way to settleing in Sciliy.
ITTL Due to Hesperia in the South and the Settlemnt of the Carnary Islands, The whole Moroccoan coast was more developed.
SO WI Some of the Vikings settle in my Morocco, ~ 950~1000, forming a Norse kingdom [like Normandy]. As they were still a Mixture of Pagans & New Christians, how would they get along with the Trader Berbers [lslamic- but trade more important], & the "Romans"? Could they hold out when the Almovids, [Allah above all else] start attacking ~1050?
HESPERIA ; Part nine- Interlude with developments
HESPERIA ; Part nine- Interlude with developments
Hesperia was founded as a series of supply posts along the West African Coast, to allow Traders to travel to and from the Remus Islands, [OTL Cape Verde]. These post grew into centers of trade with the Natives along the Coast. Then into villages when Farmers and Fishermen settled in them. As they Became towns there also were Soldiers and Craftsmen. But the reason and wealth of Hesperia was Trade, And this was carried on Ships from Europe. When contact with Europe was lost in 544, One of the Crafts that had never Settled in Hesperia was ShipWright.
True there were Fishermen along the Coast, And while they did make their own boats, That what they were, Boats-Small Boats. Capable of Day trips along the Coast, mostly out in the morning, home by dark, and not in poor weather. There were also small native boats on the River, but these were just various sized canoes.
While there had been a few ships in Port, before, They had loaded up and left for Europe. By the Time the plague was over, and people had time to look around again, they realized it had been several years since the last south bound ship had arrived. It had been full of Plague Victims. The Hesperians dealing with their own Plague, quarantined, & Then Burnt the Ship. [Yellow death in Europe, 537-547, about as bad as the first wave of the Black Death ~1300, except only one wave of the Yellow Death, The black had multiple waves]. Unknown to the Hesperians several other south bound ships had wrecked along the coast when the crews had sur come to the Plague.
Now due to losing 20% of their population, and the need to recover, this wasn't a immediate Problem. But by ~620, Hesperia had recovered, began pushing South. At this time a need for Some type of Ocean Vessel became apparent. Having identified a problem, The Hesperians set out to solve it.
HESPERIA ; Part nine- Interlude with developments
Hesperia was founded as a series of supply posts along the West African Coast, to allow Traders to travel to and from the Remus Islands, [OTL Cape Verde]. These post grew into centers of trade with the Natives along the Coast. Then into villages when Farmers and Fishermen settled in them. As they Became towns there also were Soldiers and Craftsmen. But the reason and wealth of Hesperia was Trade, And this was carried on Ships from Europe. When contact with Europe was lost in 544, One of the Crafts that had never Settled in Hesperia was ShipWright.
True there were Fishermen along the Coast, And while they did make their own boats, That what they were, Boats-Small Boats. Capable of Day trips along the Coast, mostly out in the morning, home by dark, and not in poor weather. There were also small native boats on the River, but these were just various sized canoes.
While there had been a few ships in Port, before, They had loaded up and left for Europe. By the Time the plague was over, and people had time to look around again, they realized it had been several years since the last south bound ship had arrived. It had been full of Plague Victims. The Hesperians dealing with their own Plague, quarantined, & Then Burnt the Ship. [Yellow death in Europe, 537-547, about as bad as the first wave of the Black Death ~1300, except only one wave of the Yellow Death, The black had multiple waves]. Unknown to the Hesperians several other south bound ships had wrecked along the coast when the crews had sur come to the Plague.
Now due to losing 20% of their population, and the need to recover, this wasn't a immediate Problem. But by ~620, Hesperia had recovered, began pushing South. At this time a need for Some type of Ocean Vessel became apparent. Having identified a problem, The Hesperians set out to solve it.
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HESPERIA ; Part Ten- Ships
HESPERIA ; Part Ten- Ships
When the Songhay of Goa Had lead a Islamic revolt among the small Ghana client states most of the remaining Christians in these areas had fled Into -nominally Christian -Hesperian controlled lands, but not all. A small percentage of them fled down the Niger River. There on the Delta where the River spread out into various Mouths they established the City of Porto de Rio.
In the mid 600's when Hesperia was growing south the need for ocean transport had been a problem, for a while they had tried scaling up the small boats, used by the fishermen along the shore. But While the small Mediterian style boats where usable for short day trips, the scaled up models had major problems handling the Atlantic Ocean. The solution when it came was simple, and opened up the whole coast to them, and even allowed them to recontact the Remus Island several hundred miles off shore. Of Course in the 20th century, it would also lead to people like Von Damiken trying to propose contact between West Africa and the South Pacific circa 700 AD.
Some time around 670~80 some one took a large canoe and tied a smaller canoe out on either side, While the "powers that be" originally scoffed at the idea, by 700 the center hulls had reached lengths over 150' with the out riggers half that, and they were everywhere along the coast. Exploring farther and farther, and leaving small settlements and trading posts in their wake.
[I like Trimarains. and like lots of other inventions, they fall into that they could have, so why didn't they, category. ITTL they will be the African answer to the European Carvel, and the Chinese Junk]
In 795 the first of the Hesperian Ships reached one of the Niger River mouths and sailed north.
HESPERIA ; Part Ten- Ships
When the Songhay of Goa Had lead a Islamic revolt among the small Ghana client states most of the remaining Christians in these areas had fled Into -nominally Christian -Hesperian controlled lands, but not all. A small percentage of them fled down the Niger River. There on the Delta where the River spread out into various Mouths they established the City of Porto de Rio.
In the mid 600's when Hesperia was growing south the need for ocean transport had been a problem, for a while they had tried scaling up the small boats, used by the fishermen along the shore. But While the small Mediterian style boats where usable for short day trips, the scaled up models had major problems handling the Atlantic Ocean. The solution when it came was simple, and opened up the whole coast to them, and even allowed them to recontact the Remus Island several hundred miles off shore. Of Course in the 20th century, it would also lead to people like Von Damiken trying to propose contact between West Africa and the South Pacific circa 700 AD.
Some time around 670~80 some one took a large canoe and tied a smaller canoe out on either side, While the "powers that be" originally scoffed at the idea, by 700 the center hulls had reached lengths over 150' with the out riggers half that, and they were everywhere along the coast. Exploring farther and farther, and leaving small settlements and trading posts in their wake.
[I like Trimarains. and like lots of other inventions, they fall into that they could have, so why didn't they, category. ITTL they will be the African answer to the European Carvel, and the Chinese Junk]
In 795 the first of the Hesperian Ships reached one of the Niger River mouths and sailed north.
Ditto. Now, when we get closer to the modern day, give them airships.DuQuense said:
Yay! Maps! I'm so bad with African geography, I thought things were going on far to the south of where they actually where. Thanks for clearing things up.
HESPERIA ; Part Eleven- Interlude 2
HESPERIA ; Part Eleven- Interlude 2
Hesperia had been founded by Merchants in the first century, the major minority of which had been Greeks. Along with them they had brought their Architecture, which had become the predominate style. They had also brought Olives, Mead, Temples, Books, and Skills & Crafts.
By the third and fourth centuries Hesperia was developing its own styles, Based on the Roman & Greek art they had brought with them, but seriously influenced by the Native Traditions. With the Discovery of large copper & tin supplies in the Guinea Highlands, a New Bronze age of art began. By the 350'~375 period, Hesperian Bronze, had joined with the Ivory, & exotic woods, being shipped North.
The collapse of the shipping route north, slowed this, But This just helped Hesperia Develop it's own sense of Style. As the berbers developed trade routes across the desert following the introduction of the camel, in the forth century, Hesperian Bronzes again were sold around the Mediterranean, thru most peoples, no longer knew from where they came.
But Bronze art wasn't the only thing, Hesperia abounded with riches, Ivory, exotic Woods, Iron ore, and of course Gold. And the Jewelers & Artisans used them all, Alone or Together, creating some of today's most wildly admired art. As Hesperia was a Christian country lots of this had a Religionish Theme. And while the Muslims, who ran the trade routes, may have disagreed with their Christian cohorts religiously, neither side was about to let a little thing like religion interfere, with Important things like Trade.
By the early ninth century Hesperian art was decorating Churches, Chapels & Monastaries, from Constantinople to Dublin. [This will have a butterfly effect later].
The Major influence on the style of Public Buildings, in the early years was the Greeko-Roman, style. And while this remained , even here there were native influences, The round native huts, lead to a more Rotunda style, and the tall Roman Arches, became longer and lower. Some Archititural Historians, Have argued that this is the Reason, that Hesperia, took so readily to Dome style homes after the invention of Spraycrete in the 1890's.
HESPERIA ; Part Eleven- Interlude 2
Hesperia had been founded by Merchants in the first century, the major minority of which had been Greeks. Along with them they had brought their Architecture, which had become the predominate style. They had also brought Olives, Mead, Temples, Books, and Skills & Crafts.
By the third and fourth centuries Hesperia was developing its own styles, Based on the Roman & Greek art they had brought with them, but seriously influenced by the Native Traditions. With the Discovery of large copper & tin supplies in the Guinea Highlands, a New Bronze age of art began. By the 350'~375 period, Hesperian Bronze, had joined with the Ivory, & exotic woods, being shipped North.
The collapse of the shipping route north, slowed this, But This just helped Hesperia Develop it's own sense of Style. As the berbers developed trade routes across the desert following the introduction of the camel, in the forth century, Hesperian Bronzes again were sold around the Mediterranean, thru most peoples, no longer knew from where they came.
But Bronze art wasn't the only thing, Hesperia abounded with riches, Ivory, exotic Woods, Iron ore, and of course Gold. And the Jewelers & Artisans used them all, Alone or Together, creating some of today's most wildly admired art. As Hesperia was a Christian country lots of this had a Religionish Theme. And while the Muslims, who ran the trade routes, may have disagreed with their Christian cohorts religiously, neither side was about to let a little thing like religion interfere, with Important things like Trade.
By the early ninth century Hesperian art was decorating Churches, Chapels & Monastaries, from Constantinople to Dublin. [This will have a butterfly effect later].
The Major influence on the style of Public Buildings, in the early years was the Greeko-Roman, style. And while this remained , even here there were native influences, The round native huts, lead to a more Rotunda style, and the tall Roman Arches, became longer and lower. Some Archititural Historians, Have argued that this is the Reason, that Hesperia, took so readily to Dome style homes after the invention of Spraycrete in the 1890's.
HESPERIA; Part 12; Hesperian Christian? Church
HESPERIA; Part televe; Hesperian Christian? Church
Religion wise Hesperia was the back of the beyond. Founded by Romans With a few Greeks, all Kinds of Heretics, Pagans, and Others, -Zoaistiam, Mitras, Copts, Nesterians, Gonostics, Jews, North Germanic, - ended up there when They got into trouble in Rome.
When Rome went Officially Christian and Contancetine? held his Councils to establish uniformity, a Few Church officials were sent to bring the "Word" to Hesperia. So Hesperia, Officially had the same Religion as "Rome".
Except given the distance and the probability of this being a one way posting, there were few first or even second tier officials sent. The Officials sent were satisfied if lip service [And Tithes] were Paid. So a Just below the surface tolerance prevailed. and a Merging began.
After contact north was lost a new church emerged.
As the Church had simply taken over the existing temples for their Use, the statues were renamed from Zeus and Hera, to Jehovah & Mary, with the other gods Statues and images portraying the asposilies, & Saints, of the Bible. Of course along with the image came many of the attubutes. Paul the mess ager, Peter the Builder, Lazarus the Saint that guard the underworld etc.
From Zoroastriasm? came braziers of Fire on the Altar{ representing the Holy Spirit, that burn in us all.
From the Nesterians the church took the fish, instead of the cross, and from the Mithrisians, the Priest became the guardians of the Mysteries, & Holy sites, taken from the Natives.
And from the Arianists came a down playing of Christ's divinity, Yes he was the True Son of God, who Died to save US all. But the important thing was his Coming to bring the word of God.
In time Christmas, [ Vernal Equalnox] The day the Father sent The word made flesh, became the Major holiday. [OTL the early church emprimised Easter.]
Many of the Natives the Hesperians first encountered Practiced Polygamy, and this is something that the Romans had no real problem with, most of the First Generation were Males, and the natives considered the traders Rich. Many Fathers were happy to sell their relatively worthless daughters to these New Comers, and didn't care if the Trader already had another wife.
In fact there were many cases were several Daughters were sold to the same "Husband". After Christianity arrived Polygamy slowed, but as the early church had no hard and fast ban on the practice, it continued. [IOTL it wasn't till the 1250's that the Church put a absolute ban on Polygamy, at the same time as it outlawed Priest's Marriages]. The Hesperian Chruch never would.
When the Church encountered Islam it was More than happy to start incorporating parts of this new religion, as the Monks Attended Mass several times a day, and the Priests held three mass for the faithful Daily, The Inman's Call to the Faithful fit rite in.
This sounds a lot more together than it really was in the early years, the thing was a complete Mish Mash of competing Ideas, and practices, When the Hesperians first conquered the Ghanaians, [680] and the much more Doctrine are Christians got their first look at the Hesperian Church, They wanted nothing to do with it.. And in fact this was one of the Reasons for the acceptance of Islam.
But in 769 that all changed.
Abdul Assemi was born in 727 AD in Bambia about 150 miles north of Goa, The fourth of six sons [and nine daughters] of a very prominent Christian trading family, Adbul had to be politically adept just to survive his place in the Family, At the age of sixteen, Abdul was already being Groomed for the Traders Council. But first, Adbul accomplished a trading caravan to Egypt & Ethiopia, While in these countries, Adbul was exposed to several Differing Missionaries, exatully how and where is unknown. We do know Abdul and returned home, Believing that he was called by God to a great Work, more interested in Religion, than Politics, thru at the levels Abdul ended up playing , they're close to the same.
In 760 with the revolt of Goa, Abdul was forced to flee with his Wives, and Family, ending up in Dakar, south of the great Roma de Sud. Along the way He and Family had, taken refugee in many Monistaries along the way [ safe places to spend several nites, resting up, while traveling], as a Christian Scholar he was Appalled at he Mish Mash, thru as a scholar he understood, how it had happened.
As Abdul, Helped his Brothers restart the Family trading Business, he spent the evenings Studying and rewriting the Bible, and deciding which Books to Keep. [Lots of the Books that the Catholic & Orthodox churches had thrown out, where still circulating in Hesperia.] As the years passed, Adbul seemed to be coming more and more finely Honed, and processed, of a mission.
In 769 on one fine day in early spring "Abdul Assemi" Walked down to the Square in front of the local church,and began to Preach. Some of what he Said, some of the Priests agreed with, some, other Priests agreed with. What they couldn't agree on was what to do with Abdul, So Abdul keep on Preaching. Within months he was preaching from within the church, and had his own apostates.
In 774 Abdul left Dakar, and Moved to Roma de Sud. Once again, their were arguments over what to do about him, But Abdul was a Master Politician by this time. Once again no agreement, was reached. 775 found Abdul preaching from within the Churches. In 782, Abdul was elected Patriarch of Roma de Sud. By the time of his Death, in 809, at 82, the [Super Syncretistic- He had even included passages from the Koran] Hesperian church Was established, with a unified doctrine, and Practices. Saint Abdul Was the Great prophet
During the 900's this Syncrestistism would bring the Hesperian church into conflict with Islam [Mohammed was the Last and Greatest Prophet, all other are frauds]. and again with the Christian Church in the 1500's [ the Great Heresy]
While today the isn't any violence in the dispute, Both The Catholic, Orthodox, & Islamic Churches still consider the Hesperian Church as Heresy.
HESPERIA; Part televe; Hesperian Christian? Church
Religion wise Hesperia was the back of the beyond. Founded by Romans With a few Greeks, all Kinds of Heretics, Pagans, and Others, -Zoaistiam, Mitras, Copts, Nesterians, Gonostics, Jews, North Germanic, - ended up there when They got into trouble in Rome.
When Rome went Officially Christian and Contancetine? held his Councils to establish uniformity, a Few Church officials were sent to bring the "Word" to Hesperia. So Hesperia, Officially had the same Religion as "Rome".
Except given the distance and the probability of this being a one way posting, there were few first or even second tier officials sent. The Officials sent were satisfied if lip service [And Tithes] were Paid. So a Just below the surface tolerance prevailed. and a Merging began.
After contact north was lost a new church emerged.
As the Church had simply taken over the existing temples for their Use, the statues were renamed from Zeus and Hera, to Jehovah & Mary, with the other gods Statues and images portraying the asposilies, & Saints, of the Bible. Of course along with the image came many of the attubutes. Paul the mess ager, Peter the Builder, Lazarus the Saint that guard the underworld etc.
From Zoroastriasm? came braziers of Fire on the Altar{ representing the Holy Spirit, that burn in us all.
From the Nesterians the church took the fish, instead of the cross, and from the Mithrisians, the Priest became the guardians of the Mysteries, & Holy sites, taken from the Natives.
And from the Arianists came a down playing of Christ's divinity, Yes he was the True Son of God, who Died to save US all. But the important thing was his Coming to bring the word of God.
In time Christmas, [ Vernal Equalnox] The day the Father sent The word made flesh, became the Major holiday. [OTL the early church emprimised Easter.]
Many of the Natives the Hesperians first encountered Practiced Polygamy, and this is something that the Romans had no real problem with, most of the First Generation were Males, and the natives considered the traders Rich. Many Fathers were happy to sell their relatively worthless daughters to these New Comers, and didn't care if the Trader already had another wife.
In fact there were many cases were several Daughters were sold to the same "Husband". After Christianity arrived Polygamy slowed, but as the early church had no hard and fast ban on the practice, it continued. [IOTL it wasn't till the 1250's that the Church put a absolute ban on Polygamy, at the same time as it outlawed Priest's Marriages]. The Hesperian Chruch never would.
When the Church encountered Islam it was More than happy to start incorporating parts of this new religion, as the Monks Attended Mass several times a day, and the Priests held three mass for the faithful Daily, The Inman's Call to the Faithful fit rite in.
This sounds a lot more together than it really was in the early years, the thing was a complete Mish Mash of competing Ideas, and practices, When the Hesperians first conquered the Ghanaians, [680] and the much more Doctrine are Christians got their first look at the Hesperian Church, They wanted nothing to do with it.. And in fact this was one of the Reasons for the acceptance of Islam.
But in 769 that all changed.
Abdul Assemi was born in 727 AD in Bambia about 150 miles north of Goa, The fourth of six sons [and nine daughters] of a very prominent Christian trading family, Adbul had to be politically adept just to survive his place in the Family, At the age of sixteen, Abdul was already being Groomed for the Traders Council. But first, Adbul accomplished a trading caravan to Egypt & Ethiopia, While in these countries, Adbul was exposed to several Differing Missionaries, exatully how and where is unknown. We do know Abdul and returned home, Believing that he was called by God to a great Work, more interested in Religion, than Politics, thru at the levels Abdul ended up playing , they're close to the same.
In 760 with the revolt of Goa, Abdul was forced to flee with his Wives, and Family, ending up in Dakar, south of the great Roma de Sud. Along the way He and Family had, taken refugee in many Monistaries along the way [ safe places to spend several nites, resting up, while traveling], as a Christian Scholar he was Appalled at he Mish Mash, thru as a scholar he understood, how it had happened.
As Abdul, Helped his Brothers restart the Family trading Business, he spent the evenings Studying and rewriting the Bible, and deciding which Books to Keep. [Lots of the Books that the Catholic & Orthodox churches had thrown out, where still circulating in Hesperia.] As the years passed, Adbul seemed to be coming more and more finely Honed, and processed, of a mission.
In 769 on one fine day in early spring "Abdul Assemi" Walked down to the Square in front of the local church,and began to Preach. Some of what he Said, some of the Priests agreed with, some, other Priests agreed with. What they couldn't agree on was what to do with Abdul, So Abdul keep on Preaching. Within months he was preaching from within the church, and had his own apostates.
In 774 Abdul left Dakar, and Moved to Roma de Sud. Once again, their were arguments over what to do about him, But Abdul was a Master Politician by this time. Once again no agreement, was reached. 775 found Abdul preaching from within the Churches. In 782, Abdul was elected Patriarch of Roma de Sud. By the time of his Death, in 809, at 82, the [Super Syncretistic- He had even included passages from the Koran] Hesperian church Was established, with a unified doctrine, and Practices. Saint Abdul Was the Great prophet
During the 900's this Syncrestistism would bring the Hesperian church into conflict with Islam [Mohammed was the Last and Greatest Prophet, all other are frauds]. and again with the Christian Church in the 1500's [ the Great Heresy]
While today the isn't any violence in the dispute, Both The Catholic, Orthodox, & Islamic Churches still consider the Hesperian Church as Heresy.
HESPERIA ; Part Thirteen Colonies and Allies
HESPERIA ; Part Thirteen Colonies and Allies
When the First Hesperian exploration vessel reached Porto de Rio, They found a Small Settlement of several thousand people, with another couple thousands more in the surrounding area.
most of the Settlement was less than 25 years old, but it was several orders larger than Any of the Trading posts, Hesperia was establishing along the coast. The Merchants on the Ship Unpacked and set up shop.
Most of the Porto De Rioians were refugees, Who had been on the Wrong side when Goa Lead the Islamic revolt against Hesperia. Now that contact had been reestablished They expected to be once again ruled from Roma de Sud. But the Hesperian had learned the lesson of Augustus. Who following the defeat in the Black Forest, by the Germans had declared a limit to the size of Empire.
Over the next Fifty~ Sixty years Traders, Settlers, and Missionaries, arrived allowing the expansion of PdR up the Niger River and in a narrow strip farther along the Coast. In 856 they again came to the attention of the Mali Kingdom which was expanding and absorbing the remains of the old Ghana Empire, that Hesperia had been driven out of. A series of Border clashes ensued.
At this Point The Rioians turned for help to Hesperia, A formal treaty of Friendship, & Alliance, and Hesperian {Military Advisors} became arriving in Porto De Rio. Along with them they brought their Wives, and their Camp followers. PdR continued to expand. While Porto de Rio continued to be formally a independent Country. More and more it was becoming a outpost of Hesperia.
Meanwhile by 950 Hesperia had two new Colonies to Expand One 400 Miles to the southeast of Porto de Rio, A growing trading centre with the Kongo Tribe, at the Mouth of a Great River. The second some 800 miles to the South West of Hesperia, at the mouth of a either larger River.
HESPERIA ; Part Thirteen Colonies and Allies
When the First Hesperian exploration vessel reached Porto de Rio, They found a Small Settlement of several thousand people, with another couple thousands more in the surrounding area.
most of the Settlement was less than 25 years old, but it was several orders larger than Any of the Trading posts, Hesperia was establishing along the coast. The Merchants on the Ship Unpacked and set up shop.
Most of the Porto De Rioians were refugees, Who had been on the Wrong side when Goa Lead the Islamic revolt against Hesperia. Now that contact had been reestablished They expected to be once again ruled from Roma de Sud. But the Hesperian had learned the lesson of Augustus. Who following the defeat in the Black Forest, by the Germans had declared a limit to the size of Empire.
Over the next Fifty~ Sixty years Traders, Settlers, and Missionaries, arrived allowing the expansion of PdR up the Niger River and in a narrow strip farther along the Coast. In 856 they again came to the attention of the Mali Kingdom which was expanding and absorbing the remains of the old Ghana Empire, that Hesperia had been driven out of. A series of Border clashes ensued.
At this Point The Rioians turned for help to Hesperia, A formal treaty of Friendship, & Alliance, and Hesperian {Military Advisors} became arriving in Porto De Rio. Along with them they brought their Wives, and their Camp followers. PdR continued to expand. While Porto de Rio continued to be formally a independent Country. More and more it was becoming a outpost of Hesperia.
Meanwhile by 950 Hesperia had two new Colonies to Expand One 400 Miles to the southeast of Porto de Rio, A growing trading centre with the Kongo Tribe, at the Mouth of a Great River. The second some 800 miles to the South West of Hesperia, at the mouth of a either larger River.
Heres a site that gives the many possible origins of Brazils name. You can use them if you can integrate them into your story. http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/brazil.htm
Personally I prefer Hy-Brazil
Personally I prefer Hy-Brazil
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DuQuense said:
Might make Abdul's religion something like the Ba'hais--a theology where there are a succession of High Prophets/Chosen Ones who both reiterate the same message and have something unique to bring. Abdul would see him in the latest in a string. My understanding is that something similar is in the esoteric inner teachings of the Druse.
HESPERIA; Part Fourteen; Interlude Europe
HESPERIA; Part Fourteen; Interlude Europe
Hesperia founded in the first and second centuries by Greek-Roman Traders on the west coast of Africa, south of the Great Sahara Desert, was non the less a part of Europe. While the early Roman maps were very bad with longitude, due to the poor timekeeping devices available, Latitude was another matter. When the early Traders started moving this far south, even the stars in the southern sky changed. Several famous Roman Astrologers traveled to Hesperia just to see. They also measured the Angles, and made charts, and maps. Due to this both Hesperia in the west, and Axum in the east, were well know to the map makers, and to most well educated residents of the Roman Empire.
When contact was lost, many of these maps were preserved in Monasteries, and Churches across Europe. While the maps survived the associated knowledge often was misinterpreted. By the early 800's Hesperia was been confused with Axum, and the both with the great kingdom of Prester John. Theological debates raged over the exact placement in Africa or Asia, or even if the maps were allegories for the Heavenly kingdom to come.
There was one thing that helped keep the debates in the realm of the world, The continued trade in Christian artifacts, the Islam traders of the Mediterranean, were selling thru out Europe. The most beautifully worked Bronzes, inlaid with precious Metals, Ivory, Jewels, & Exotic Woods. When pressed, for were they came from, the answer was always just {south}.
This is the way it would have stayed except in the late seventh century around the Baltic Sea, a revolution in ship building occurred, Historians are still debating the How and Why, but the What was a explodtion of Norse men raiding across Europe from the black Sea and Byzantium to Ireland and points south. In 844 The Viking [ ie. rovers] Under the command of Hoald Svenson, Raided along the Spanish Coast. Among the loot from a Spanish Church, Hoald noticed the same kind of Artifacts, as he had gotten from a Irish Monastery.
When Pressed the Spanish captives could only say that, the Arabs traded it from a rich Christian land in the south. Hoald returned home with his crew, for the Winter. While there got about the same story from the Irish Slaves, captured earlier, One of them even had a embroidered map. Hoald then spent the next three years organizing the greatest Raid ever.
In 847 9000 Norse men in 203 ships set out for the {South}
HESPERIA; Part Fourteen; Interlude Europe
Hesperia founded in the first and second centuries by Greek-Roman Traders on the west coast of Africa, south of the Great Sahara Desert, was non the less a part of Europe. While the early Roman maps were very bad with longitude, due to the poor timekeeping devices available, Latitude was another matter. When the early Traders started moving this far south, even the stars in the southern sky changed. Several famous Roman Astrologers traveled to Hesperia just to see. They also measured the Angles, and made charts, and maps. Due to this both Hesperia in the west, and Axum in the east, were well know to the map makers, and to most well educated residents of the Roman Empire.
When contact was lost, many of these maps were preserved in Monasteries, and Churches across Europe. While the maps survived the associated knowledge often was misinterpreted. By the early 800's Hesperia was been confused with Axum, and the both with the great kingdom of Prester John. Theological debates raged over the exact placement in Africa or Asia, or even if the maps were allegories for the Heavenly kingdom to come.
There was one thing that helped keep the debates in the realm of the world, The continued trade in Christian artifacts, the Islam traders of the Mediterranean, were selling thru out Europe. The most beautifully worked Bronzes, inlaid with precious Metals, Ivory, Jewels, & Exotic Woods. When pressed, for were they came from, the answer was always just {south}.
This is the way it would have stayed except in the late seventh century around the Baltic Sea, a revolution in ship building occurred, Historians are still debating the How and Why, but the What was a explodtion of Norse men raiding across Europe from the black Sea and Byzantium to Ireland and points south. In 844 The Viking [ ie. rovers] Under the command of Hoald Svenson, Raided along the Spanish Coast. Among the loot from a Spanish Church, Hoald noticed the same kind of Artifacts, as he had gotten from a Irish Monastery.
When Pressed the Spanish captives could only say that, the Arabs traded it from a rich Christian land in the south. Hoald returned home with his crew, for the Winter. While there got about the same story from the Irish Slaves, captured earlier, One of them even had a embroidered map. Hoald then spent the next three years organizing the greatest Raid ever.
In 847 9000 Norse men in 203 ships set out for the {South}
A possible name for the "new world" could be 'Terra Nova'. I know it's fairly simplistic, but it does describe the new land. Or for Brazil, what is latin for "Land of Emeralds"?