Thanks for the replies
. Glad I din't come off as rude.I guess you're right about the flags. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
All in all, interesting stuff as usual.
Hail, Britannia
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Thanks for the replies
. Glad I din't come off as rude.I guess you're right about the flags. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
All in all, interesting stuff as usual.
Britain seized it after the Spanish revolution in the 1860s.
I find it odd that Luxembourg isn’t in the list of EU members, or am I missing something?
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Somewhere in between
more to come soon. I don't want to spoil it, but there is a stronger legislature (reducing the democratic deficit), and a smaller eurozone, as well as a slightly re-structured organisation of the insitutitons.I found this document quite interesting, and it helped me establish some ideas for the EU ITTL, if anyone fancies giving it a read.
Yep, Britain seized it from Spain during the collapse of the Spanish Empire in the 1860s. It's had an interesting history under British rule, and I've got a country box and election box that I can dust off and finish the write-up for. Plus a list of leaders.
Thanks for the replies
I guess you're right about the flags. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
All in all, interesting stuff as usual.
Not at all
I love it when people ask questions!! The more the merrier 
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A lot of the images don’t seem to be working. Also, great to see you back at it!
Again, these are the posts headers, and it was made on purpose to indicate the posts that are no longer up to date and that have to be updated to the new canon (like for the Catalonian elections)
1. Not gonna lie, Savoy is my favorite EU nation.
2. What is up with New Israel, and where is it on the map?
2. What is up with New Israel, and where is it on the map?
Nice to see Czechoslovakia in there now! So that's a change from the old Europe. Does it include Carpathian Ruthenia?
Also interesting to see Raetia - smaller Switzerland?
Wasn't Raetia mostly in Bavaria?
Though it did include most of eastern Switzerland.
Maybe it's result of an alternate French Revolution? There were plans IOTL to partition Switzerland:
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
Why does Burma owns Bengal and the Seven Sisters? Bumese tube stations, anyone?
www.alternatehistory.com
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... no comment...
Sort of... it's a quasi-elective diarchy with the Pope and an elected President as heads of state.
Yeah as @Julio974 says those indicate old canon.
Yep, as @Analytical Engine says it is OTL East Prussia - and was previously known on this thread as New Israel. That's its Anglophone name, with a different local Yiddish name.
Yep, maybe more sense given the history of Eastern Europe. Yes it includes the OTL Czech Republic, Slovakia and Carpathian Ruthenia.
I'm afraid Raetia is just southern Germany, covering OTL Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria. More to come there soon hopefully
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Catalonia
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Emerging as a cohesive entity during the Middle Ages, the modern territories of Catalonia formed the core of the Crown of Aragon, a composite monarchy that at its height controlled present-day Catalonia, and parts of southern France, Greece, Savoy and southern Italy. The Crown of Aragon was not a political union, as the component parts were ruled in a personal union by one king until 1469 when the Catholic Monarchs created a dynastic union between the Crown of Aragon and the Crown of Castile, which became a personal union in 1516. Known as “the Spains”, the two crowns eventually became a singular Kingdom under King Felipe II, although the Crown of Aragon remained legally in existence until King Felipe V dissolved the separate institutions by enacting the Nueva Planta Decrees in 1716, in response to Aragon's support of his rival in the War of Spanish Succession.
During the second half of the 18th century, the Catalan territories started to undergo the process of "proto-industrialisation", and Barcelona and parts of northeast Catalonia remain some of the most industrialised regions of the Iberian Peninsula. The early 19th century saw Catalonia ravaged by the Napoleonic Wars, with the northeastern provinces annexed by France, and the traditional capital of Zaragoza subjected to two brutal sieges. The Peninsular War (1807-1814) would see Napoleon and his forces defeated in Spain, but the widespread destruction and social upheaval began an era of social turbulence, political instability and economic stagnation that persist until the 1860s. At the Congress of Vienna, Spain regained the northern Catalan and Basque provinces from France, bringing all of modern Catalonia together for the first time in centuries. The 1830s saw the beginning of the Renaixença, or Catalan Renaissance, which saw the start of a revivalist movement in Catalan language and culture across the region, helping to tie the future Catalan state together.
The outbreak of the Spanish Revolution on 16 August 1863 saw most of the former territories of Aragon erupt in revolt against the Spanish monarchy, with Catalan leaders pledging their support to the revolutionaries led by Francisco Serrano and Juan Prim. The proclamation of the Spanish Republic on 11 February 1865 led many Catalan revolutionaries to break from their Spanish counterparts, as many in Catalonia feared a return to the conflicts of the French Revolution and Napoleon. Led by Alfons Lluc Folch de Cardona i Manresa, 7th Count of Cardona, Catalan soldiers seized the Spanish garrison in Barcelona and on 21 April 1865 he was proclaimed as King Alfons VI, marking the birth of the modern Catalan state and the declaration of independence from Spain. Although the Spanish Republic did not immediately recognise the nascent Catalan state, their forces fought alongside the Catalans in some of the fiercest engagements of the war. The Catalan War of Independence lasted until 19 March 1868, when the Battle of Calatayud, one of the costliest engagements in the entire revolution, saw the Catalans victorious. The Spanish Republic would recognise Catalan independence as part of the Peace of Lisbon, while the exiled royalist government would not relinquish its claim to Catalonia until its dissolution in 1941.
Throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the continued effects of the Renaixença led to the development of a cohesive Catalan national identity. During this period Catalonia saw significant industrial development, giving rise to waves of migration from other, less developed, parts of Iberia. The influx of immigrants from neighbouring Republican Spain was greeted warily by the monarchist Catalan government, as Catalan-Spanish relations were frosty, but the need for labour to support the country's growing industrialisation won out over fears of republican insurgents. The 1900s saw the election of one of the first socialist governments in Europe, and marked a major political realignment in Catalonia towards moderate socialism. Internationally the country established strong ties with its neighbours France and Savoy, and although Catalonia remained neutral in the conflicts of the period, including the First World War, like Portugal it supported the Entente. The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), which led to the collapse of the Spanish Republic and its replacement with the Francoist Spanish State, saw many Catalans fight as volunteers on both sides, and threatened the country with the first war since its foundation.
In 1939, as the Second World War broke out, Catalonia remained neutral and free of conflict even as its northern neighbour fell to Axis occupation. Spain’s decision, in 1941, to join the Axis led to the emergency evacuation of the Catalan royal family and government by the British Royal Navy as Spanish forces invaded and occupied most of the major cities within two months. Catalonia would remain occupied by Axis forces for the remainder of the war, although the Catalan resistance, operating from the mountainous regions of the interior. proved a thorn in the sides of the occupiers. A government-in-exile was established in London by King Carles V and deposed Prime Minister Lluís Companys, and would remain there until the liberation of the country in 1945 as the Spanish State collapsed and surrendered in March 1945. The king and his family returned to cheering crowds in Barcelona, and after a brief interim military government, democratic elections held in 1946 marked a return to democracy for the nation.
Throughout the late 20th and early 21st centuries, Catalonia has seen rapid economic growth, drawing many workers from across Iberia, making Barcelona one of Europe’s largest industrial metropolitan areas, and Catalonia is one of the most economically dynamic parts of southern Europe. Improved relations with Castile, especially following the restoration of that country's monarchy in 1955, saw both countries join the European Economic Community in 1981, and a close partnership now exists between the nations of the peninsula as the Iberian Group. Politically Catalonia has seen extensive devolution of powers to its constituent provinces, creating a quasi-federal environment within the country, and contributing to a rise in nationalism in Aragon and the Balearic Islands.
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Glad you like it
Yeah I thought the OTL Glorious Revolution in Spain presented an interesting opportunity for big changes in Iberia.Yes, the Council is a similar institution to the OTL US Senate. I hope to explore the workings of the EU at some point.
House of Cardona-Aragon [Catalan Royal Family]
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The House of Cardona-Aragon [1] (Catalan: Casa de Cardona-Aragó, Spanish: Casa de Cardona-Aragón), is the reigning royal house of Catalonia, descended from a collateral branch of the House of Cardona, a Spanish-Catalan noble family known as Folch de Cardona [2]. Its founder Alfons VI of Catalonia, born Alfons Lluc Folch de Cardona i Manresa, 7th Count of Cardona [3], came to rule the Catalan countries after deposing the Bourbon Queen Isabel II during the Spanish Revolution and the War of Independence. The modern day members of the House of Cardona-Aragon are related to the royal families of Hanover, Denmark, Greece and Castile, and through various marriages the house is related to many of the currently reigning European royal houses [4].
The current Catalan royal family consists of the present queen, her husband, the Duke of Barcelona [5], their children and grandchildren. The queen's sisters are not counted as members of the royal family, due to their marriage to foreign royals. Prior to the 1990s, Catalonia followed the system of male-preference cognatic primogeniture in the line of succession to the throne, which was replaced with absolute primogeniture in 1997 prior to the birth of the Prince of Girona's first child. The line of succession to the throne is limited to the heirs of King Alfonso VI [6], and includes the current Tuscan and Portuguese royal families, however under the provisions of 1997 Law on the Succession to the Throne, if the line of descent from Queen Joana II were to be extinguished the constitution reserves the right for the Corts Catalanes to elect a candidate to the throne.
[2] - Originally the family used the name Folch de Cardona, with the "Folch" being abandoned and the -Aragon part added during the reign of King Alfons VII. Male-line non-royal descendants of the family use the surname "Folch de Cardona". A proclamation by King Alfons VIII in 1965 declared that the royal house would remain Cardona-Aragon, even after his daughter's marriage to a member of the House of Bourbon-Parma, while male-line non-royal descendants of Queen Joana II would bear the surname Bourbon-Cardona.
[3] - Credit to @Damian0358 for the reasearch here - Alfons VI is ITTL as descendant of María Teresa Folch de Cardona y Silva (b. 4.10.1732, OTL d. 25.10.1750), daughter of Francisco Manuel II Folch de Cardona y Silva (b. 19.10.1682, OTL d. 18.4.1739), 2nd Count of Cardona (among other titles).
Alfons' branch of House Folch de Cardona specifically stems from José Alonso Lino Folch de Cardona y Eril (b. 1651, d. 1730), lieutenant-general of the Order of Montesa, who was granted the title Count of Cardona (Conde [del SIR] de Cardona, Reichsfürst von Cardona) by Felipe V, on March 1st, 1722. Francisco Manuel would inherit the title following José Alonso Lino's death, through his mother, María Isabel de Cardona y Eril, José's sister. Francisco only had one daughter, María Teresa, who was married early on to Josef Friedrich Wilhelm von Hohenzollern-Hechingen, and would pass away by the age of 18. TTL, she didn't marry Josef, butterflying her death, allowing her descendants to live on and eventually inherit the title of Count of Cardona.
[4] - Including, but not limited to; Norway, Scania, Iceland, Finland, Estonia, Rumania, Flanders, Luxembourg and Wallonia. Probably others too if I ever properly map out their line of descent.
[5] - Infante Sixto Enrique, son of King Javier I of Castile (OTL Prince Sixtus Henry of Bourbon-Parma)
[6] - The line of succession only shows the legitimate descendants of King Alfons VIII, and does not show descendants of his siblings, and the siblings of his father King Carles V. All individuals in the line of succession descend from King Ramir III, the only child of King Alfons VI to have issue.
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Queen Joana II of Catalonia
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Joana was born in 1937, the eldest child of Alfons, Prince of Girona and his wife Princess Ekaterini of Greece, during the reign of her grandfather Carles V. Due to the Catalan throne passing according to salic law at the time, Joana was not in the line of succession and was not expected to become monarch. Her early life was spent in the capital Zaragoza, as tensions in Europe continued to increase and led to the outbreak of the Second World War. Although initially neutral, Francoist Spain would align with the Axis powers in 1941 and invade and occupy Catalonia. Following longstanding plans, Joana, her family and the Catalan government were evacuated by the British Royal Navy from Barcelona, and Joana would spend the rest of the war in exile in Florida with her mother and sisters.
Following the liberation of Catalonia and the end of the Second World War, Joana and her family returned to the country after four years of exile. Joana was educated privately in Barcelona, and spent a year at a girls boarding school in England before studying art history at Valcour College, New York. Upon the death of her grandfather in 1959, Joana's father ascended to the throne as King Alfons VIII and began the process of changing the constitution to allow female succession to throne, as he and his brother were the only male heirs to Carles V. During a state visit to Madrid in 1962, Joana met Infante Sixto Enrique of Castile, second son of King Javier I, and the pair began to be seen together at international events. In 1963, the infante visited the royal family's summer residence on Mallorca and asked the king for permission to marry Joana. This marriage between foreign dynasts was complicated, and threatened an international incident, with Castilian and Catalan politicians opposing any potential royal union between the two countries.
Both King Alfons VIII and King Javier I were initially opposed to the match, but ultimately relented and in 1964 the pair were married in a ceremony at Barcelona Cathedral, attended by the Catalan and Castillian royal families, along with dignitaries from the other royal houses of Europe and the Americas. Sixto Enrique was created "Duke of Barcelona", with Joana styled as the "Duchess of Barcelona" as heir presumptive to the Catalan throne. As part of the agreement to grant assent to the marriage the Duke renounced any rights of succession to the Castillian throne for himself and his descendants. Joana's marriage was the first of three royal marriages for her sisters, with Princess Isabel marrying the heir to the Tuscan throne, and Princess Elionor marrying the brother of the Portuguese king, who would accede to the throne. In 1965, a proclamation by the King declared that the royal house would remain Cardona-Aragon, while male-line non-royal descendants of the Duke and Duchess of Barcelona would bear the surname Bourbon-Cardona. Joana and her husband have three children; Ramir, Alfons, and Sofia.
Upon the death of her father in 1977, Joana ascended to the throne as Catalonia's first queen regnant in its modern history as an independent nation, and the first to reign solely in the Catalan countries since Queen Petronilla of Aragon in the 12th century. Her reign has seen Catalonia experience rapid economic growth, with the emergence of a more diverse and multicultural society. In 1981 the country joined the European Economic Community, continuing a process of pursuing closer integration with its European and Iberian neighbours, including hosting the 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona. Recent decades has seen a rise in separatist movements in Aragon and the Balearic Islands, and the Republican Left, which advocates for the abolition of the monarchy, enter coalition governments, however Joana's personal popularity, and support for the monarchy in general, remains high.
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Belgium is a confederation in this world, so they technically still exist.I see from the Catalonia post that Luxembourg is in fact part of Belgium.