Gunpowder Plot destroys Houses of Parliament and Westminster Abbey

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What if Guy Fawkes succeeded in his attempt to blow up King James I, as well as the rest of the Houses of Lords and Commons on 5 November 1605? Does Great Britain return to the Catholic Church again after the murder of their entire Royal Family under the rule of a Spanish/Austrian Habsburg prince? Or, in the event that the hardliner Protestants/Puritans manage to seize power in Britain, who(and of which dynasty) do they install as the new monarch?
 
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Darrenb209

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I'm wondering if the French and/or Spanish intervene to support the Catholics
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I think they'd want to, but I think whether they actually do it depends on the exact circumstances of what follows. If a civil war kicks off, they might pick a side but they might refuse to out of fear of causing the civil war to collapse as the sides reunify to oppose the outsiders.

I don't think they'd act quickly either way though, not until there's significant excesses that they can blame on the Protestants.

Intervening to protect suffering Catholics, sure. But not until they've suffered enough that it doesn't look like they're protecting and endorsing regicide.
 

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If the Habsburgs land in an anarchic Britain with an army and attempt to claim the completely vacant throne there for themselves, how would Catholics in England react to this unprecedented predicament?
 

Incognitia

Arabella Stuart is one of the closest claimants, which isn't likely to be popular, though if you don't go with her the English side of the succession is a little shaky.
 

pjmidd

Lets bring sanity to this thread. First by 1605 , you are not getting a Catholic Britain, Elizabeth I and John Knox has seen to that. Second Charles 1 was born in 1600 so there is an heir of James.s body.
 

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pjmidd said:
Lets bring sanity to this thread. First by 1605 , you are not getting a Catholic Britain, Elizabeth I and John Knox has seen to that. Second Charles 1 was born in 1600 so there is an heir of James.s body.
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The entire Royal Family was within the Westminster Abbey confines at the time, which would have been completely destroyed in the blast.

In short, what would happen would be a successful Valkyrie writ large.

The only Stuart family member who would have been alive after all of this would have been the King's elder daughter, Elizabeth, who was inWarwickshire at the time. The conspirators had severely underestimated the blast radius of their bomb at the time, meaning that Charles, who was supposed to be captured in London according to the original plot, would have been instantly killed by the explosion.
 
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Cymraeg

Cymraeg

trinity said:
The entire Royal Family was within the Westminster Abbey confines at the time, which would have been completely destroyed in the blast.

In short, what would happen would be a successful Valkyrie writ large.

The only Stuart family member who would have been alive after all of this would have been the King's elder daughter, Elizabeth, who was inWarwickshire at the time. The conspirators had severely underestimated the blast radius of their bomb at the time, meaning that Charles, who was supposed to be captured in London according to the original plot, would have been instantly killed by the explosion.
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In which case we would have gotten Queen Elizabeth II 350 years early and the Gunpowder conspirators would be still burnt in effigy every November 5th, only there would have been a bunch of them and not just one. The entire Conspiracy's political element was built from wishful thinking and hopeful woo. Even if they had gotten hold of Elizabeth, she would not have co-operated with the men who had killed her family, someone would have freed her and there would have been severe anti-Catholic repression.
 

pjmidd

trinity said:
The entire Royal Family was within the Westminster Abbey confines at the time, which would have been completely destroyed in the blast.

In short, what would happen would be a successful Valkyrie writ large.

The only Stuart family member who would have been alive after all of this would have been the King's elder daughter, Elizabeth, who was inWarwickshire at the time. The conspirators had severely underestimated the blast radius of their bomb at the time, meaning that Charles, who was supposed to be captured in London according to the original plot, would have been instantly killed by the explosion.
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What? Not trying to be harsh here but if Elizabeth is in Warwickshire then the entire Royal Family cannot be in Westminster Abbey.
 

trinity

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Charles wasn't in the Houses of Parliament themselves, but was still within range of the blast in Westminster Abbey.
 

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Cymraeg said:
In which case we would have gotten Queen Elizabeth II 350 years early and the Gunpowder conspirators would be still burnt in effigy every November 5th, only there would have been a bunch of them and not just one. The entire Conspiracy's political element was built from wishful thinking and hopeful woo. Even if they had gotten hold of Elizabeth, she would not have co-operated with the men who had killed her family, someone would have freed her and there would have been severe anti-Catholic repression.
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Catesby would almost certainly have murdered both Elizabeth and Charles had things not gone according to his plan(which it certainly would not have, BTW).
 
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pjmidd

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Catesby would almost certainly have murdered both Elizabeth and Charles had things not gone according to his plan(which it certainly would have, BTW).
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How? He did not have an army , he had not even managed to subvert any of their guards, He was not a master plotter , just the leader of a small group totally out of their depth. Everything after the bang was basically based on hope not pre arranged. You seem to be trying to force an outcome rather than extrapolate from known facts.
 

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pjmidd said:
How? He did not have an army , he had not even managed to subvert any of their guards, He was not a master plotter , just the leader of a small group totally out of their depth. Everything after the bang was basically based on hope not pre arranged. You seem to be trying to force an outcome rather than extrapolate from known facts.
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Well, Elizabeth getting killed by the panicking plotters in the aftermath of the explosion would have thrown the entire line of succession of the realm into total chaos even after the Protestants successfully purged out the Catholic plotters...
 
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