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The Muslims immigrants in France are mainly Algerians. Even in the Arab world, Algerians are not rated "highly", and viewed as liabilities, even in Araby. The Muslims in the UK are mainly Pakistanis and Bengalis ie genetically Hindu Indians who converted to Islam under the Moguls. They are generally more self-reliant and intelligent and an asset in their new country. Though if they go militantly fundamentalist, the intelligence agencies view them as more of a threat than any Algerian. Of course, the second generation born in their host country usually take on any bad traits of the indigens, and exacerbate them. Witness the number of times British police have been chased off the field by rioting UK-born Asian Muslim youth screaming in perfect English-accented common slang, who riot more viciously than white British rioters - & the British know how to riot!
 
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Gerald Sumner, OTL 1900-1918, ATL 1900-1974

A major voice in American science fiction and horror, Gerald Sumner was born in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, in 1900. His childhood and upbringing were fairly normal for the middle classes of the time. In 1917, he graduated from high school, and put off his entry to Harvard to enlist in the U.S. Army. He served on the Western Front, and was badly wounded in action. His experiences in the War, and his painful recovery were later to be strong influences on his fiction.

He returned home from the war in 1918, and spent the next year and a half recovering from his wounds. The War produced a profound change in his outlook, a focus on the fragility of human bodies, minds, and morals, that was to be with him all of his life. His first stories, mostly juvenile Poe imitations, were published in the amateur press at this time. Also during his recovery, he first corresponded with the then-unknown amateur author Howard Phillips Lovecraft. Both men were New Englanders, conservatives, atheists, and rationalists, with a similar artistic outlook. They hit it off immediately. Their friendship was to prove very productive for American letters.

In 1920, Sumner started at Harvard, receiving his BA in 1924, his MA in 1926, and his D Lit in 1929. During his time at Harvard, Sumner was living closely enough to Lovecraft that the two men began to meet at one another's homes, as well as correspond. Sumner was strongly influenced by the work of the older Lovecraft at this time, and produced a number of stories set in dream-worlds rather similar to those of Lovecraft's Dream Cycle, and then some tales of cosmic horror very similar to the stories of Lovecraft's Arkham Cycle. Even at this time, however, Sumner's work differed from Lovecraft's in being more modern in style, and much more concerned with portraying horrors that were accurate according to scientific law as it was then understood.

In 1922, Sumner introduced his eccentric friend to his sister, Betty. A slow, cautious courtship followed, which was culminated by the marriage of Howard and Betty Lovecraft in 1924. Betty Lovecraft had a profound influence on her husband, weaning him from various bad habits and obsessions, enabling him to write more productively, and probably lengthening his life.

By 1929, both men felt increasingly unsatisfied with the stories of the Arkham Cycle. "Yog-Sothothery", they felt, had run its course, and was not really sufficient to produce a mature mythology of cosmic horror and alienation. Their cooperative efforts led to the stories of the Yuggoth Cycle, starting in 1930. The Yuggoth Cycle centered around the consequences of contact between humans and any of several of various cosmic races. Although enormously ancient, and vastly powerful, these races were also slaves to Darwinian imperitives and instincts of their own, which gave to each its own unique, if alien and repellent, cast of mind. The stories of the Yuggoth Cycle were astonishingly varied, featuring any of several alien races, and set in locations ranging from the Vermont hills to Antarctica, to any of several alien worlds. The Mars Stories in the Yuggoth Cycle (written 1934 to 1938) were particularly notable. Here, both Lovecraft and Sumner tried their hands at depicting a Martian race based on the ideas of Percival Lowell, but adapted to a then-realistic Martian environment and ecology, lacking any specifically human traits. The Mars Stories are among the best-developed settings in science fiction, and are still read with profit and joy to this day by millions of fans.

The Mars Stories, and the literary connections that Sumner had developed at Harvard, enabled to the two men to break into more mainstream literary acceptance. From writing for tiny pulps like Wierd Tales, the two men were soon being carried in the Atlantic Monthly. This taste of modest fame and regular income enabled Sumner and Lovecraft to relax and explore a variety of other themes in the early '40s, some of them only tangentially connected to the main line of Yuggoth Cycle stories. For Lovecraft this marked his final flowering. The stories of the Colonial Cycle (written 1941 to 1945) depicted eighteenth century characters coming to grips with the horrors of the Yuggoth Cycle, and struggling with a sense of cosmic alienation more characteristic of the 20th century.

Alas they were also Lovecraft's final stories. He was diagnosed with stomach cancer in 1945. Surgery was performed, successfully, but septicemia soon set in, and H.P. Lovecraft died of the infection in February, 1946.

Lovecraft's death marked a watershed in Sumner's career. Bereft of his friend and mentor, Sumner began to search for new concerns, styles, and themes. He found much inspiration in the work of an Argentine writer, the famed Jorge Luis Borges. Borges work was mostly playful in nature, but managed to ask disturbing questions about the nature of reality, and to suggest odd philisophical perspectives in a way that intrigued Sumner, and led to changes in his work.

These changes are first visible in Sumner's short story collection _Noctuary_, published in 1949, three years after Lovecraft's death. In this collection, he explores the nature of reality itself, and suggests that beings far more horrid than even those of the Yuggoth Cycle have created the real world in order to mask their sinister purposes. _Noctuary_ created a sensation, and was alternately hailed as a work of genius, and denounced as the work of a diseased mind. It still has the power to disturb today.

After finishing the _Noctuary_ stories, Sumner took some time off, and traveled the world, meeting Borges for the first time. While the two men were cordial enough, Borges later wrote that Sumner had a "disturbingly morbid cast of mind, in which I could not help but see the shadow of the Western Front". Sumner inspired several characters in later stories by Borges, and Sumner returned the favor. While they never met again, they did correspond from time to time in the years that followed.

Sometime in 1950, Sumner read Orlwell's 1984. The book's themes of human fragility, crushing state power, dehumanization, and alienation appealed to Sumner, and led to his first novel, _In_the_Black_Iron_Prison_, published in 1956. In this novel, Sumner introduced a society even darker in many respects than Orwell's, but seen from a sardonic and detached point of view. Sumner's work also disturbs because it is written in part from the point of view of the villain, as though Orwell had allowed us a glimpse of the inner life of his villain O'Brien, or even Big Brother.

Philiosophical rumination on television was apparently the source of Sumner's next novel, _The_Glass_Teat_, published in 1962. This is a less fantastic work than many of Sumner's others, but more powerful and prophetic. It depicts a society so completely under the sway of television that it is no longer possible to tell what is real, and what is taken from television serials, films, and even advertisements. The novel was widely hailed as a work of genius, and helped inspire the strict regulations on television advertising still in force today.

Sumner's final work, _In_the_Gardens_of_Babylon_, published in 1968, returns to the earlier format of a short story collection. It also returns to earlier philosophical concerns, in that it describes a world which has come to terms with a vast and utterly inhuman cosmos. However, the work is informed by Sumner's growing loathing of both the youth of his age, and also of their parents, whom he felt were wasting lives in Vietnam, while creating a nihilistic society at home. The collection's depictions of a decadent, grotesque future in which all limits have been abandoned, along with all ethical concerns, and in which human beings have come to regard themselves as the cosmos regards them, is chilling and horrifying in the extreme. Unlike in his other works, Sumner here describes horrors, tortures, violence, perverse sexuality, and scatology in a clinical detail that highlights the true ugliness of the world he is depicting. Sadly, the work has not been remembered as Sumner would have wanted, but has instead been embraced by most of the groups Sumner despised, as proof of their perspectives.

In August, 1970, Sumner suffered a stroke at his home. Although he made a full recovery by 1972, a subsequent stroke proved fatal in early 1974. Gerald Sumner left behind an impressive legact of horrors, warnings, and philiosophical questions that are still in the forefront of American literature.
 
I absolutely agree with Matt! A very fine post indeed, Aedh Rua! It was actually nice to read an entertaining post not overly concerned with military matters!

Oh, and good posts, robertp6165 and Valamyr. Somewhat off topic, though! ;)

Best regards and all!

- Mr.Bluenote.
 

Grey Wolf

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robertp6165 said:
I don't know, Grey...I think someone whose response to another poster is "Oh bollocks...Religion is fuck" is the one who needs to grow up (and learn to speak in something other than vulgarities). If you prefer to bury your head in the sand and ignore what is happening around you, that is your watch. If current demographic trends continue as they are, with native European birthrates falling while those of Muslim immigrants to Europe are increasing (coupled with the open-door immigration policies most European countries have, which means Muslim population is increasing even faster vis-a-vis the native European population) this can mean only one thing in the long term...a Muslim majority. Different religions in society is a cultural issue and not a major structural one UNTIL the immigrants become the majority. Then they will remake the society in their image. Especially when we are talking about a religion like Islam, which DOES NOT believe in co-existance with other faiths.

But all this is off topic anyway...so if you want to continue this discussion, I suggest we take it to the off-topic chat.

So I'm not allowed to answer ?

Guess I better go and play with my toys instead

Grey Wolf
 
Moseley and Schwarzchild

Moseley is captured and Schwarzchild is wounded. Schwarzchild winds up a light duty guard and Moseley's prison camp. The MS theorem pretty much is responsible for the development of contragrav in the twenties.
 
98,000 men were captured at Tannenberg when General Samsonov's army disintegrated. Over a hundred thousand fell. Few made it back to Russia. One was Ivan Federov.

Ivan was a young Muscovite, lucky enough to have an army officer uncle, who procured a captain's commission for him. It was thus that Ivan had found himself leading a company in the swamps of Masuria, but now that he had escaped the debacle, and had the misfortune to have too-loudly questioned the competence of the war leaders, he was out of luck. Drafted again into a new unit, he was once more forced to flee across the Polish plains with the remains of his unit, as the German offensive of 1915 routed the Russians once again. During the pell-mell dash east, he found it impossible to maintain aloof distance between himself and his troops. Indeed, he forged close friendships with many of his soldiers. But when they once more reached the rear, he swore never to fight again for the incompetent Russian generals, and got a commission as a bodyguard for the Ambassador to Switzerland, the least dangerous post he could imagine.

It was in Geneva, however, that he got a message from one of his old comrades containing merely an address and a five-letter word: LENIN. The soldier who it came from had become one of Ivan's most trusted friends, and had revealed to him his membership in a subversive organization. Ivan had declined to join, but also had not turned him in to the Tsar's police. Now he went and visited the address. LENIN proved to be an intellectual, given to speaking at length about revolution and Marxism. Ivan read everything LENIN suggested, becoming an instant convert to the cause. He even wrote a few pamphlets of his own.

One day, however, LENIN told him to return to Russia and organize among the soldiers, for the day would soon come when it would be time to put their principles into practice. Ivan returned to Russia and, in the desperate climate of the fall of 1916, had no trouble obtaining an appointment. When the revolutions began a year later, he was ready, and many troops he had commanded followed him into rebellion. Ivan won himself a seat at the table with the prime movers of the Bolshevik revolution, and he was one of the delegation sent to negotiate with the Germans. "We want no part of their Imperialist war," Lenin told him. Ivan replied, "A war to drive the capitalists from our richest lands is not imperialist," and convinced his mentor to reject the treaty the Germans attempted to cram down their throats at Brest-Litovsk. Instead, he launched the Federov Offensive, a last gambit to hold onto as much of Russia as he could before the peace. His efforts were crowned with success when in spring 1918 Franchet D'Esperey's corps, advancing from Salonika, threw the Austrians out of Belgrade and the massive American-British offensive drove the Germans from their trenches. "500,000 more me could have stemmed the tide," Ludendorff raged, but 500,000 men were fighting Federov's guerillas in Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. The Great Imperialist War ended on June 11, 1918 when Germany asked for an armistice from the West, and the First Patriotic War ended five months later when Federov's forces chased the last Germans back across the border with Poland.

The Russian representatives at the Versailles negotiations joined with France to demand the harshest possible penalties for Germany. Poland was created, consisting of Warsaw, Posnania, eastern Pomerania, Silesia, and Galicia. Russia immediately signed treaties of defense with the new Polish state, as well as the new, larger Rumania, which gained Transylvania and southern Dobruja.

The Western Allies were well pleased with their Soviet allies, whose persistence in 1917-18 shortened the war by at least a year. However, the Bolsheviks' insistence on continued advocacy of socialism caused worry, especially when Poland, Rumania, and Hungary all fell under socialist governments in 1919-20. Even Germany was the site of socialist upheaval. This upheaval was put down brutally by the Freikorps, fanatical right-wing organizations of German veterans. In 1922, after two years of this one-sided civil war, the Soviet Union declared that "German Imperialist Militarism" was still alive, and demanded a mandate by the League of Nations to attack and defeat the Freikorps. Britain and France, with the defeat of Germany, had gone back to fearing Russia, and the insinuation that the Allied forces in the Rhineland, where much of the fighting was, were not doing their job infuriated them, but the small nations of eastern Europe were mainly Russian allies, so in spring 1923 Russian and Polish forces, under Marshal Federov, invaded Germany, ruthlessly suppressing the Freikorps, executing many. When they pulled out, in 1925, Germany was quiet, docile, and near-Socialist, but the Atlantic Powers saw their worst fears confirmed.

Lenin's death set off a power struggle in the Soviet Union, between the faction of Stalin, who demanded swift modernization at the sacrifice of socialist principles, Trotsky, who demanded continual revolution, and Federov, who sought to create the Comintern as a bloc within the League of Nations that would spread Socialist principles. Trotsky was defeated and exiled, but Federov wisely surrendered to Stalin and kept a permanent watch for treachery. With fanatical support from the Red Army, Federov would be hard to dislodge.

The Great Depression, which occurred during the power struggle, further depressed the German economy and forced the Workers' Councils to demand further concessions from the Mittelstand. Instead, the Mittelstand rallied behind the outlaw Nazi Party and managed to paralyze the government. In 1932, the paralysis was overcome by a bare-majority coalition with the Nazis, led by Adolf Hitler, at their head. Stalin and Federov to no avail cried "German Imperialist Militarism," but the 1923-25 campaign had squandered their good will with the West, and neither Western power acted. France reaffirmed its alliances with Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Rumania, all of which were Soviet allies, but refused to make military arrangements with Russia itself.

As Germany rearmed, Stalin began purging the Red Army of "disloyal" officers. Federov's name appeared on the lists of denunciations, for seeking too hard to make alliance with the Capitalist West. That was Stalin's last mistake, for the Red Army was filled with fervent supporters of Federov, who turned the Army's guns on Stalin. By 1937, Stalin was exiled to Siberia, his coterie of supporters exiled with him or dead, and Federov was the Chairman of the Soviet Communist Party. Unbeholden to Lenin's original vision, he kept Stalin's organization intact, except with a greater role for the Army and a smaller for the various secret police organizations.

He still was unwilling to risk war with Germany without the Atlantic Powers' aid, so when only Italy stood against the annexation of Austria he stood by, but mobilized the Red Army. Later that year, when Hitler demanded the Sudetnland from Czechoslovakia, Federov put his foot down and threatened to declare war if the Western Powers gave in. Hitler went ahead and took the Sudetnland, England and France standing pat. Nevertheless, the Soviet Union declared war on Germany.

Behind Poland and Slovakia, Russia could do nothing, but when Hitler's armies occupied the Czech Republic, Federov prompted Poland to declare war and, supporting his ally, made Poland the battleground between Russia and Germany once again. The Blitzkrieg worked devastatingly against the Soviet forces, whose air force was sadly lacking, but Russian numbers and, this time, better generalship kept the front solid, and it was clear by the end of 1939 that numbers were beginning to weigh. Still, the Atlantic Powers saw no harm in Nazis and Communists killing one another. The Russians had been steadfast allies, but were barbarians just the same, even if they showed it by slaughtering Germans; the Germans were normally civilized, and were fighting for nationalist ends, even if Hitler was brutal. France, however, could not let a second ally go down to conquest, and once it was clear that the Soviets were being driven into Belarus the French army moved to the front. Hitler, caught in a two-front war, sent what forces he could spare west to delay the French while he tried to knock out the Russians in one blow.

He failed. Federov's Red Army stood fast, reinforced by vast new numbers. Although outclassed in technology and skill, it was a formidable war machine, stalling the Blitzkrieg and making Hitler pay for every mile he took. England entered the war as well, and convinced Belgium to let its troops march through the "Dyle Line" into Germany. By the summer of 1941, it was Federov who was on the offensive. This time, he swore, he would leave no stone unturned in Germany. Russian peasants could be Communist; All of Germany could be peasant communists. However, the Red Army was facing far superior defenses to what the English and French were facing, and when twenty German generals killed Hitler and took control of the government, it was to England and France that they surrendered. Federov reconquered the Baltic States, Poland, and East Prussia, but no more, and rather than face war against England and France he joined America in defeating Japan.

The alliance with America, though fraught with ideological difficulty, was an attractive one. American and Russian political spheres of influence tended not to overlap and America was exasperated with the belligerent Western Europeans. Where England and France wavered between strategic need for Russia and fear of Communism, between the memory of the Federov Line and that of the suppression of the Freikorps, America had escaped the Great Depression by means of its own socialistic policies and its Socialist and Communist parties had been roundly beaten in election after election. Each nation was a fruitful market for the other. Thus Federov rebuilt his Eastern European alliance structure, more formally this time, into a regional defense alliance signed at Warsaw, and retired Russia behind this "Iron Curtain," where it would be safe from further German incursions.

In 1949, Ivan Federov, Marshal of the Red Army and Chairman of the Russian Communist Party, died of a heart attack. He was 58. Although he did not live to see its results, he did more than any other politician to establish the postwar international order.
 
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