Assuming either of the Ostrogoths or Visigoths establish stable long-lasting domains what are the chances that the areas we now know as Iberia (Spain and Portugal) and Italy might aquire a nomeclature reflecting their late-classical Germanic overlords a la England (Angles), France (Franks), and Germany (Germans)?
Gothia, Gothany, Gothland, etc....
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Gothland would be a popular destination among teenagers who where all black
Philip
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Rather high, I think. Gothia seems most likely given the Latin influences they would experience.
Susano
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Germans ARE the inhabitants of Germany (in English language). Which are different from the Germanics of that period, even though anglophones like to confuse the terms... the own name for German, Deutsch, comes from frankish theodesca, language o fthe people a sopposed to language of the church, which was Latin.
And, ehem, on teh topic its possible, but I still think Italia would remain teh dominant name. After all IOTL, it was after two invasions (Goths, Langobards) and a the frankish conquest, so why shouldnt it be ITTL?
On a related note: there actually was a principality called Gothia on the Crimean Peninsula until the late Medieval Ages, and the Crimean Goths existed as a separate people until the late 18th century.
IMO the best chance to have an area that is permanently known as Gothia, is to make sure that the Crimean Goths survive in significant numbers.
IMO the best chance to have an area that is permanently known as Gothia, is to make sure that the Crimean Goths survive in significant numbers.
Susano
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Thats english popular etymology. And it does annoy me how anglophones often use "germanic", "teutonic" and "german" interchangeable.
Hapsburg
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I most like Gothany. It just sounds cool.
Yeah, those words do. "Theudesca" means "of the people" in Proto-Germanic, and developed into "Theudch", which the Romans fucked up as "Theutonii", which developed into "Teutonii".
"Theudch" developed into "Deutsch" in the Germanic languages. So, literally "Deutch" means "of the people", but as it is self-referential, it became the German word for "of the Germans", or the adjectival "German".
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Susano
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I most like Gothany. It just sounds cool.
Yeah, those words do. "Theudesca" means "of the people" in Proto-Germanic, and developed into "Theudch", which the Romans fucked up as "Theutonii", which developed into "Teutonii".
"Theudch" developed into "Deutsch" in the Germanic languages. So, literally "Deutch" means "of the people", but as it is self-referential, it became the German word for "of the Germans", or the adjectival "German".
Uh, theodesca and related forms only came up in the early middle ages. The Teutons were more or less completly exterminated in 102 BCE already, though. There is no correlation, despite faulty folk etymology.
As per Wiki:
"The terms Teuton and Teutonic have sometimes been used in reference to all of the Germanic peoples. The name Teutones is a proto – Germanic (teudanoz) or Celtic (tuath) or Latvian (tauta) and even South Italian Oscan (touto) word meaning people or race or town. The king of the Teutones in 101 BC was Teutobod, “bod” (badb in Irish) being Celtic for raven (Rankin, 1987) – suggesting a Celtic origin of these people."
Which also highlights another point, the Teutones were at least partly celtified, anyways.
(Ironcially enough, the name "Germans" also comes from a Germanic tribe to which Caesar refered in De Bello Gallico and which later was taken to mean all germanic tribes. The irony is that this the namesgiving tribe was later also celtified).