Gore-Lieberman appease Bin Laden after 911

Dunash · Apr 3, 2004

How would Gore & Lieberman have reacted differently to 911? Being big liberals and inclusivists, would they have had it in them to invade Afghanistan? They certainly would not have attacked Iraq. Would they try and open a dialogue with Al Qaeda or even try and appease Bin Laden eg by using Israel as the sacrifice? If they didn't do anything, could there even have been a coup (cf "Five Days in May") by a US populace demanding action & revenge on someone? For the first time, the USA could've had a president who was not a Christian, Gore being a New Ager. And a VP, Lieberman, although claiming to be an Orthodox Jew, is no lover of Israel, and is despised by many of his co-religionists, not seeming to observe any of the 613 commandments, not the sabbath, not phylacteries, not fasting on the Day of Atonement, not even wearing a skullcap.

Susano · Apr 3, 2004

Nao, they most certainly would not have. Does this answer you question?

Matthew Craw · Apr 3, 2004

Lieberman doesn't wear a skullcap!?!?

The inhuman monster!

Dunash · Apr 3, 2004

The very definition of an Orthodox Jew is that he never goes in public with his head uncovered, ever! Lieberman may be a Liberal Jew, a Reform Jew, or a Conservative Jew, but his claim to being an Orthodox Jew is spurious. Maybe he's trying to appeal to the Christian Right?

Faeelin · Apr 3, 2004

Since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and the US would still have invaded Afghanistan, no real changes, aside from the iraq war and better relations with the rest of the owrld.

Torqumada · Apr 3, 2004

I would have to agree that an attack on the scale of 9/11 would require a response. The American public wouldn't stand for it otherwise. I also agree that the war with Iraq would not have happen.

Torqumada

Leo Caesius · Apr 3, 2004

Bush Appeases Bin Ladin after 9/11

Imagine this -

After the unthinkable happens, Bush goes into hiding for a couple days, and uses his power to have the members of the bin Ladin family who reside in the US spirited back to Saudi Arabia while the rest of us are grounded.

Subsequently he makes a big show of attacking the Taleban but allows al-Qaeda to escape to points unknown. In a completely unrelated development, he attacks Iraq, apparently for no reason other than to "liberate" its people (and its oil wells) while completely ignoring the main state sponsors of terrorism (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) to which, in a bizarre turn of events, he extends millions in military aid.

Then he gets a fighter pilot to fly him over to an aircraft carrier parked in San Diego harbor, where he minces about in a flightsuit before a gigantic banner announcing Mission Accomplished. Bin Ladin is all but forgotten.

Every few months, the White House announces that we are "closing in" on "No. 2" - the identity of this shadowy "No. 2" changing each time we close in on another al-Qaeda member. Yet we never actually seem to catch anyone substantial, and al-Qaeda today is as strong as it was before the 9/11 attacks.

Freaky, huh? Aren't you glad things didn't turn out that way, in whatever TL you're posting from?

Prunesquallor · Apr 3, 2004

Bravo, LC!

RMG · Apr 3, 2004

Leo Caesius said:
Imagine this -

After the unthinkable happens, Bush goes into hiding for a couple days, and uses his power to have the members of the bin Ladin family who reside in the US spirited back to Saudi Arabia while the rest of us are grounded.

Subsequently he makes a big show of attacking the Taleban but allows al-Qaeda to escape to points unknown. In a completely unrelated development, he attacks Iraq, apparently for no reason other than to "liberate" its people (and its oil wells) while completely ignoring the main state sponsors of terrorism (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) to which, in a bizarre turn of events, he extends millions in military aid.

Then he gets a fighter pilot to fly him over to an aircraft carrier parked in San Diego harbor, where he minces about in a flightsuit before a gigantic banner announcing Mission Accomplished. Bin Ladin is all but forgotten.

Every few months, the White House announces that we are "closing in" on "No. 2" - the identity of this shadowy "No. 2" changing each time we close in on another al-Qaeda member. Yet we never actually seem to catch anyone substantial, and al-Qaeda today is as strong as it was before the 9/11 attacks.

Freaky, huh? Aren't you glad things didn't turn out that way, in whatever TL you're posting from?

Completely implausible. No President would get away with engineering an unprovoked, useless, war. He'd be censured and impeached unanimously by Congress.

Anthony Appleyard · Apr 3, 2004

Before we continue this thread, find what Al Qaeda's conditions are. I read in a newspaper that one of Al Qaeda's conditions is an Islamic government in Spain, which the West would never accept.

Valamyr · Apr 3, 2004

Al-Qaeda is not uniform enough to have conditions. Some of them wish to fight until the koran replaces the constitutions of the western worlds and the black flags fly over DC.

More reasonable extremists merely wish the end of diplomatic relations with Israel and the pull back of foreigners from the holy land.

Hardline Islam is anyhow a convenient excuse for a superpower in decline who needs weak opponents to justify it's military presence as essential to the world, and its enormous expenses to its own populace. Otherwise, the uselessness of it's domination and of it's hegemony - once truly essential during the cold war - would be plain to see. Same logic behind maintaining the threatening image of "rogue states" really.

In other words, it would not be in the US' best interests to reach a peace of any kind, but rather in the rest of the world's. Oh? You thought the world opposed the invasion of Iraq selflessly? Welcome to politics

Brilliantlight · Apr 3, 2004

Dunash said:
How would Gore & Lieberman have reacted differently to 911? Being big liberals and inclusivists, would they have had it in them to invade Afghanistan? They certainly would not have attacked Iraq. Would they try and open a dialogue with Al Qaeda or even try and appease Bin Laden eg by using Israel as the sacrifice? If they didn't do anything, could there even have been a coup (cf "Five Days in May") by a US populace demanding action & revenge on someone? For the first time, the USA could've had a president who was not a Christian, Gore being a New Ager. And a VP, Lieberman, although claiming to be an Orthodox Jew, is no lover of Israel, and is despised by many of his co-religionists, not seeming to observe any of the 613 commandments, not the sabbath, not phylacteries, not fasting on the Day of Atonement, not even wearing a skullcap.

Lieberman, at least, would have pushed for war with Iraq. He said so in his campaign even though he knew it would cost him. I have more respect for him and Dean then for Kerry. They, at least, had the courage of their convictions while Kerry seems to blow with the wind.

Ian the Admin · Apr 4, 2004

Dunash said:
How would Gore & Lieberman have reacted differently to 911? Being big liberals and inclusivists, would they have had it in them to invade Afghanistan? They certainly would not have attacked Iraq. Would they try and open a dialogue with Al Qaeda or even try and appease Bin Laden eg by using Israel as the sacrifice? If they didn't do anything, could there even have been a coup (cf "Five Days in May") by a US populace demanding action & revenge on someone? For the first time, the USA could've had a president who was not a Christian, Gore being a New Ager. And a VP, Lieberman, although claiming to be an Orthodox Jew, is no lover of Israel, and is despised by many of his co-religionists, not seeming to observe any of the 613 commandments, not the sabbath, not phylacteries, not fasting on the Day of Atonement, not even wearing a skullcap.

That's it Dunash. I told you to stop posting ridiculous religious trolls. In fact I told you specifically within the last few days, and here you are attacking the religious views of political figures (and falsely, as far as I can tell).

You've had warning after warning for quite a long time now, and that's it with the warnings. You are banned.