Getting Ahead of Ourselves: A B-29 TL

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Obviously with a PoD that early many things are butterflied. But what specifically did you have in mind?
I'm wondering the same thing.
Mike D covers it nice in his post.
If Turing uses the soon to arrive anti-Soviet feeling to denounce Cairncross in return for immunity from prosecution, then he will be far less likely to be sent to jail or face the torture of chemical castration. Neither will he lose his research position. Thus, he is less likely to commit suicide, via a poisoned apple.
Sadly though, I believe the story is an urban legend
Unfortunately so. Apparently, (on further research), is in homage to Sir Isaac Newton.
 
Well this isn't something I was planning on covering, but Turing wasn't charged with anything until 52, so I'm not sure how that would affect things.
 
Part 56- Cleaning House
Since late March, the allied forces of Western Europe had been hard at work doing their share of dismantling Germany. 90 divisions and four and a half million men were marching East, in what would would prove one of the best executed military maneuvers in history. General Eisenhowers orders were simple, but effective, drive everything before you until you reach the Elbe. With complete dominance of the ground and sky, the Allies advance was swift

German forces in the West were even more depleted than those sent East. In fact it's estimated that at the time the offensive began, that the entirity of the German army in the West had just 80 operational tanks. The Luftwaffe was on paper less maimed, but its 2,000 operation aircraft had neither the pilotsbnor the fuel to cfly more than a hundred sorties a day. Even Field Marshal Rommel, the commander of all German troops in the West, realized the hoplessness of the situation. Many of his decisions in these weeks were made simply to save the lives of the soldiers and civilians under his command.

Rommel had at least tried to form a coherent defense in the weeks prior to this. Realizing his forces were in no shape to fight in the open field, he had many of the garrison the roads and major cities of the West. This had slowed Eisenhowers advance, but only by mere days. In fact often the thing the hampered the allies movements the most was not enemy action, but enemy surrenders.

These took place at every level of command, from an entire corps, all the way down to individual privates. Many were also recognized as deserters from the Eastern front, who'd decided that the risk of death for desertion was worth staying out of Russian POW camps. Many more were Volksstrum, hastily formed milita consisting of any men who could hold a rifle. Others were Hitler Youth, schoolchildren as youjg as 10 who were dragged into war.

Whatever the case, by mid April the allies had over 1.2 million POW's sitting in camps near the front. To ease the logistical pressure, most of the militia and Hitler Youth were simply sent home, while many others were instead labeled "disarmed combatants" so that they didn't need to be kept for long. Additionally, millions of German civilians from the East had fled West, for largely the same reason as the soldiers. While thousands of incidents did occur, Eisenhower enforced strict discipline on his men, and made sure any crimes commited were punished. General Patton even personally executed two GI's who had been accused of shooting several German civilians in Frankfurt, who had casually confirmed their actions when questioned.

Hitler had seemed to hope that the cities on the Rhine and in the Rhur were the last bastion of the West, and had ordered Rommel to transfer 250,000 men to them in total. However, most of these cities would tamely surrender after mere hours of fighting. It was later found that Rommel had tacitly given the garrison commanders permission to surrender once cut off. This meant that instead of a wall of cities that mucked up the allies in urban combat for months, Hitler got nothing more than another nail in the coffin of the reich.

When Rommel himself was cut off in the Rhur in early April, he himself surrendered his entire command of 200,000 men to the allies. This betrayal deeply enraged Hitler, who continually asked in his final weeks if Rommel had been "dealt with" not seeming to understand that he was in allied custody. As the allies approached the Elbe, the agreed upon line for postwar Europe, they came to a halt. The outcome of the war had long ceased to be a question, now the true question was asked What now?
 
If its confirmed that the Soviets are providing the Japanese with fuel, the orders will change:
Continue east until you reach the Russian lines or the Russo/Polish border, whichever comes first.
 
If its confirmed that the Soviets are providing the Japanese with fuel, the orders will change:
Continue east until you reach the Russian lines or the Russo/Polish border, whichever comes first.
Bonus points if SHAEF allows Rommel's forces to rearm and join in the march.
 

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The Western Allies have gotten to the Elbe, all good. How fat have they got further south like say Czechoslovakia?
 
Thanks. To explain my question, if its OTL then US forces may stay in Czechoslovakia is things turn to sh&* and that puts them on the border of Poland
Thanks for bringing that up, because I didn't think of that. To keep it simple, assume the Wallies are playing nice for now, not wanting to be the ones to start the next big war.
 
Bonus points if SHAEF allows Rommel's forces to rearm and join in the march.
Maybe not, that would trigger the war that Stalin wants, but needs to avoid.
Of course, if the Russians attack Allied troops when they meet, (not an accidental "oh shit" moment, but deliberate action), then all bets are off and away we go.
Although I'd expect some rough denazification first, with SS left in POW camps at the very least.
 
Now I'm not saying that state apparatus are full of limited men playing power politics mostly against other men they resent on their own side and are usually fundamentally and incredibly blind to the real interests of their allies or opponents as they are utterly incapable of simulating the values, systems and needs of their allies or opponents, I'm not saying that.

Churchill isn't really a large enough character to perfidiously use bourgeois Poland as a thorn in the paw of the cat of the Soviet Union, nor is he a large enough character to make America bleed itself in police actions during repatriation riots that would become repatriation mutinies.

But the naïve insufficiency of US command and control in this timeline is great enough (it is the theme here: the kit without the mindset), for the US to become involved in messy amateurish shit around Poland that results in Poland being betrayed. Correspondingly, when Poland has a Unified Workers Party, Liberal Party, Peasants Party and national intellectuals Party combined government under the leadership of the (forcibly) Unified Workers Party, then the Soviet Union will probably have a lot of train accidents in terms of oil shipments in the east, regrettable and all.

As far as US naïvety in central Europe, look into the CIA's manifest failings 1955-59—and this is after 5 to 10 years of necessity to train. I'm not saying that RFA/RE should have called for the uprising and promised support or anything dumb. But the Captive Nations of Europe were some of the worst possible human beings to use as an anti-soviet front etc.

And we haven't gotten to the big one: oil to Japan is just chewing gum and walking. KKE, PFC, PCI are still on hold. The Soviet Union is screaming without swinging; it hopes someone will pay attention and understand its visceral fears that it will act upon. But it has not taken real action.

>Invade Hither or Yon

I don't think anyone is quite that daft. Failing to hand over occupation duties due to "difficulties" in policing and logistics perhaps. But not even the Americans would deliberately poke the bear. (Again, Churchill isn't a major character here, were he one it would be like the soft under belly of a cat, he sees it and he goes to poke it, the results…)

Also one thing about supplying Japanese forces in the far east is that it allows you to preposition significant logistics in the far east, while retaining the political focus on the real problem of the Polish coalition government's insufficient composition for Soviet Security from Invasion from the West.

yours,
Sam R.
 
Eh, while it doesn't seem very just using SS/Wehrmacht (plenty of guilt there too) as "rehabilitated" spear tip vs. the treacherous Soviets is in, my eyes, a better use of them than letting them sit in PoW camp and then gowing old, most never prosecuted for their crimes.

Not all (Wehrmacht) were guilty, not even all SS, but a lot didn't see the justice their deeds should have gotten them (ie. prison or firing squad) so having them be ablative armor for the Allies is at least somewhat fitting.
 
Final Hop- Part 2
As the initial landings progressed, the American forces on Okinawa found themselves between two seperate forces of Japanese troops. The largest was to the South, where Ushijima personally commanded the Shuri line, a collection of hills and ridges on the approach to Naha. In the North, General Chō had 40,000 men, which he was to use in a series of fighting retreats.

It was decided that the Army would go North, while the Marines would go south. General Geigers forces managed to overrun the first and least developed defensive line at the isthmus at Uruma, and continued North. The Army's progress was halted at the next lines, which were located at the neck of the Motobu peninsula and Higashi. These hill peninsulas were well suited to defense, and for two weeks almost no progress was made as the Japanese utilized their underground fortifications

Interestingly, despite both sides having used chemical weapons in prior actions, not a single gas weapon was deployed on either side. The Americans had phosgene in stock, but being unaware of the civilian evacuation of Okinawa, had decided to follow a no-first-use policy. The Japanese, under Soviet pressure to "keep the war clean" had not deployed their gas weapons either. The fighting was brutal enough without chemical weapons however, and neither side was eager to add gas to the mix.

The battle also marked the second tactical use of the B-29's. Inspired by the use of depth charges as improvised bombs at Warsaw, some of LeMay's staff had taken the idea even further. On April 12th, 300 B-29's made a low level pass over the Motobu line. Each of them carried three 2,000 pound bomb canisters that when reaching a preset altitude, split into hundreds of small bomblets. These in turn would detonate a mix of napalm gel at around 50 feet above ground height. This rendered the ground uninhabitable for several minutes, and suffocated many of the underground Japanese.

In the South the marines had a tougher time. The Shuri line was the most heavily developed fortification on the island. Ushijima had been very interested in the use of tunnels for the movement of troops, and so had put most of his effort into this. 100's of miles of tunnels snaked under the Shuri line, allowing entire brigates to move miles in good order. Some of the bravest marines would venture into these tunnels to keep up the attack, resulting in a three-dimensional battlefield that had multiple levels.

In one incident, an American forward command post was set up two miles from the front on the 15th. That night, an entire battalion of Japanese troops sprung out from a hidden tunnel. General Smitu, who was visiting the front, was wounded, and lost most of his staff. The entire affair was considered by many of all ranks to be a completely alien way to wage war, understood only by those who saw combat there.

In the air the Japanese still hadn't given up. While the kamikaze program had been shelved after promises of Russian fuel were made, the attacks made on the fleet around Okinawa were little better. 2,000 Japanese aircraft struck out at Okinawa, of which just 300 returned. Pilots were told to crash their plane if it was too damaged to return, leading to a belief that the Japanese were using suicide tactics. The picket destroyers suffered terribly, 15 Would be sunk in total. Additionally, two escort carriers were sunk, and two fleet carriers were damaged enough to withdraw. Morale was seriously threatened by these attacks, sailors and marines didn't have very different levels of stress during the campaign.

The struggle for Okinawa proved that Japanese morale was not broken, they would fight for every inch of their soil. It also resulted in grim forecasts for the expected invasion of mainland Japan, with military thinkers estimating it would take two years and 2 million casualties, to pacify the islands. With Europe boiling over, many began to wonder, Could the United States fight both the hammer and sickle, and the sword?
 
Ahh the ol' smell of napalm in the morning! How many losses did the B-29s take flying so low?

While Kamikaze tactics are slightly discouraged by actually having enough fuel to fly multiple sorties, I would expect they would still see extensive deliberate use against the United States Navy if the loss ratio keeps up (since it shows that even if you have enough fuel, the plane probably still is not coming back). Idea is that trading one ship for one plane is a sustainable loss ratio for japan, and that Kamikaze tactics are more likely to actually land a hit. Of course in reality the ratio was much worse than one plane per ship, but it's still the best bad option.
 
Ahh the ol' smell of napalm in the morning! How many losses did the B-29s take flying so low?
None, the Japanese don't have extensive AA coverage on their defensive lines, let alone anything for heavy bombers
While Kamikaze tactics are slightly discouraged by actually having enough fuel to fly multiple sorties, I would expect they would still see extensive deliberate use against the United States Navy if the loss ratio keeps up (since it shows that even if you have enough fuel, the plane probably still is not coming back). Idea is that trading one ship for one plane is a sustainable loss ratio for japan, and that Kamikaze tactics are more likely to actually land a hit. Of course in reality the ratio was much worse than one plane per ship, but it's still the best bad option.
Very true, but keep in mind Japan between a better performance overall these past two years and with Soviet aid, isn't as dejected and ready to get so desperate yet. They're trying to save pilots and planes for the defense of the home islands, and aren't quite so giddy for anything suicide related just yet.
 
I wonder if the RAF will get involved?
Try the idea of using Lancaster with Grand Slam or Tallboy bombs against the Japanese tunnels.
OTL they were used against submarine pens which were reinforced concrete impervious to most heavy bumbs.
The Tallboy weighed 12,000lbs and the Grand Slam weighed 22,000lbs.
 
Special Declaration to SHAEF

To The Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force 15/4/45


In regards to the imminent liberation of the remaining territories of Czechoslovakia, it has been made plain that the organization claiming its legitimacy as the Czech government, does not reflect the wishes of the people of Czechoslovkia, nor does it hold the best interests of Czechoslovkia at heart. This being so, the conferance at Košice has been cancelled, and the London delegation and its members are no longer welcome in the nation they falsely claim to represent. The London government abandoned the people of Czechoslovakia to the persecution and tyranny of the German Reich, and had no intention of standing with the people. The people of Czechoslovakia will decide their fate and future, and will do so without the influence of imperialist powers of the West.

The Czech people do not intend to become another colony of the British, nor a puppet republic of the United States. As such, and with the approval of the newly formed Czechoslovak Peoples Republic, no Western troops are to enter the country. The Czech state will not be made the slaves of a more powerful nation a second time.


-Signed by General Secretary Klement Gottwald, and the state and people of Czechoslovakia. Please distribute this declaration to the respective governments of SHAEF.​

 
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Because that's not going to get messy in the slightest... OSS/SOE will turn Czechoslovakia into a sandbox, especially as they already have a lot of non-Communist assets in country.
 

To The Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force 15/4/45


In regards to the imminent liberation of the remaining territories of Czechoslovakia, it has been made plain that the organization claiming its legitimacy as the Czech government, does not reflect the wishes of the people of Czechoslovkia, nor does it hold the best interests of Czechoslovkia at heart. This being so, the conferance at Košice has been cancelled, and the London delegation and its members are no longer welcome in the nation they falsely claim to represent. The London government abandoned the people of Czechoslovakia to the persecution and tyranny of the German Reich, and had no intention of standing with the people. The people of Czechoslovakia will decide their fate and future, and will do so without the influence of imperialist powers of the West.

The Czech people do not intend to become another colony of the British, nor a pulpet republic of the United States. As such, and with the approval of the newly formed Czechoslovak Peoples Republic, no Western troops are to enter the country. The Czech state will not be made the slaves of a more power nation a second time.


-Signed by General Secretary Klement Gottwald, and the state and people of Czechoslovakia. Please distribute this declaration to the respective governments of SHAEF.​

Translation: NOTICE ME, STALIN-SENPAI!
 
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