Bavarian Raven
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those extra territories might be enough to give the CC powers a victory in ww1...
Germany with Denmark
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Or an excuse to start building a bigger navy sooner, and perhaps without the British noticing or caring right away.
Superdude
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I've had the impression that the entangling alliance systems and massive conscripted armies acted like MAD to prevent a war. It just needed one moron to set the whole thing off.
the british would take notice soon for they wanted to keep being the dominant naval power
Assuming they win
Or, assuming that such a war even takes place.
Well people just assumed it did and that TTL Germany-Denmark would keep its possessions...don't think so
And the US did respond... after the war had been one. Sherman and troops were moved westward, I believe, before the French withdrew. Of course, a union wouldn't be the same as a blatant violation, but...
However, later on the US might have a different opinion. South American (and Pacific) colonies, after all, weren't turned over to the Axis after the loss of Europe in WW2, for example.
Valdemar II
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What if Denmark becomes a member kingdom of the second reich like Saxony or Bavaria. When we would not need to discuss the completely trivial things like how USA would react. The qustian is how we make Denmark into a Kingdom in Germany. Most likely it would be a way for Danish king to keep Slesvig and maybe Holstein and Lauenburg.
Could be a result 1815 if Denmark didn't enjoy just a little goodwill from Austria and Britain at the end or if the Great Powers were more in line. That way Denmark probably wouldn't get Lauenburg but just be allowed to survive as a German Kingdom.
I don't disagree that the US is going to be less than happy about Germany having a presence in the Carribean instead of Denmark, I just don't know how much they would actually do about it. French troops in Mexico are certainly going to be a much bigger worry than the fact that Prussia/Germany took a couple islands from Denmark, and if the US did really want to make an issue of the matter it would probably be resolved without too much trouble; as I recall the US and Prussia got along semi-decently.
If Germany does ever go to war with the US or Britain they are going to lose the Virgin Islands very quickly; defending an outpost that far-flung would be almost impossible for Germany.
Have Bismarck go for all of Denmark not just the duchies.
Germany would get her highquality navy early. That would open up for Germany in the Caribbean - West Indies and in the Indian Ocean - Nicobar Islands as well as the OTL colonies.
Could make for some interesting WWI when it occurs.
Those first two contradict each other: Bismarck wanted no part of any naval adventuring to avoid possible rivalries with Great Britain; it wasn't until after Bismarck was dismissed that the naval program began.
They don't contradict each other - one is a POD the other is a gain for Germany. I didn't mention its possible size.
If those gaining wants to use that gain is their decision. But to uphold the full package of Denmark somebody (Bismarck?) has to decide how. You don't keep an overseas colonial Empire, even a small one by a large army. Some kind of navy is needed at least before flight.
But it didn't come to that and Bismarck could follow his OTL line...
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Yeah, but Bismarck was less than interested in an overseas empire; his focus was more along the lines of consolidating power on the continent. You're talking a full sea change (pardon the pun but I couldn't resist) in his entire philosophy of policies to have Bismarck condone, never mind foster, a major navy.
On the other hand, I could see him selling off former Danish overseas possessions to fund military expansion/research. That would suggest, among other things, an earlier sale of the Virgin Islands to the US (for what relatively little that might be worth).
Makes me think: what would happen to Greenland? That would come as part of the package (Greenland, at least now, is a county of Denmark), but I doubt Bismarck would be even remotely interested in keeping a large, essentially uninhabited island on the fringes of North America. It's not out of the question that he might look to unload it to the British for incorporation in Canada, particularly since Anglo-German relations weren't bad at all in those days.
I do not disagree with your view.
I merely tried to point out what might be possible, well in the moment of writing I wrote "would" - "made possible" would be closer to the point.
Greenland was a county, it gained autonomy in 1978. What would happen - don't know possibly he'd sell it off along the West Indies and Nicobars not being able to foresee his own actions 1878 getting a naval base in Samoa! Or 1884 going for colonies in Africa...
Anglo-American relations at this time were not too bad at the time so it is possible that Greenland and Iceland could go to the UK. However with the rush for colonies and new imperialism coming along the USA could be interested in planting its flag in Greenland. The Carribean colonies would most probally be sold to the USA by Germany.