I often see at the beginning of EU4 Austria attacking and annexing most or all of Venice. If this were to happen ITTL, say in 1400, and Austria managed to fend off any invaders for over 4 centuries, would they be able to integrate them enough to be considered German territory?
German Integration of Venice
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Probably not, if officially the Kingdom of Bohemia continued to exist and even Czech identity and language after all this time, and that area was surrounded by Germans even to where official Bohemian territory became Germanized (German-Bohemia, the Sudetenland) but not the core. And if Germans didn't make Czechia German, well....
Habsburgs were always big on local rights and traditions to make it easier for them to be the overall lord, so even if they TOOK Venice, it'll undoubtedly keep its identity. Especially when one considers Venice had a long, proud, and conscious history and culture up to and beyond the 1400s in OTL.
Habsburgs were always big on local rights and traditions to make it easier for them to be the overall lord, so even if they TOOK Venice, it'll undoubtedly keep its identity. Especially when one considers Venice had a long, proud, and conscious history and culture up to and beyond the 1400s in OTL.
Interesting, thank you. Do you have an idea of what Venice would look like? Would there be something similar to the Sudetenland forming?
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Well if you see the headlines today on both Milan and Venice, they have never really completely accepted their position as part of Italy. A pod going back to 1400 and more, financial, social, and population integration with AH and i think you would have them considering themselves as a USE (united states of Europe) with a less involved Hungary and a Austria Lombard nation. Really if the financial benefits were excellent and advantageous this would be pretty easy to acheive.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/21/e...NN102317italy-lombardy-veneto-vote1244PMStory
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/21/e...NN102317italy-lombardy-veneto-vote1244PMStory
I doubt it - German-speakers would need to cross the Alps just to get there vs the comparatively foothill-like Sudeten mountains, and the flat lands in Venetia and neighboring parts of Italy are totally Italianized and urban to boot. No doubt plenty of upper-class Austrian nobles and merchants will pop up in Venetia, but they'd be rubbing shoulders against the existing Venetian ones - and in true Habsburg tradition, especially in these Renaissance times, they'll keep many of the small and mid-tier governmental stuff as privileges as long as their lordship is acknowledged and they get plenty of tax money (which Venetia can certainly provide). Venetia will be RULED by Austria, and continue to be Venetian in every other way that matters.
Under the right circumstances you could get an Alsace/Masuria situation where the population still speaks one language but is largely loyal to a different nation state.
The Germans had already crossed the Brenner pass, so what we need is someone depopulate much of the Po Plains, which would mean that people from the hill areas would repopulate areas further south, that was pretty much how the Walser Germans expanded in Switzerland. So while the Germans may not dominate the region, they could have a larger presence.