Galicia-Volhynia remains strong and independent in the 14th Century

kasumigenx

kasumigenx

I remember, the Galicia-Volhynia annexed Lublin, what if the Ukrainians remained independent in the 14th Century, I think a Strong Galicia-Volhynia will end in a screwed up Poland in long term, which would prevent the formation of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the only base for a Polish reunification will be Lower Silesia and Greater Poland, I think the Galicians and Czechs will end up defeating Wladyslaw the Elbowhigh and another Piast Duke will liberate/unite Poland from Bohemian/German yoke after a hundred of years with the base being Lower Silesia and Greater Poland and this Poland will be more German oriented.
 
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David T

Isn't talking about a "Ukrainian" state in the 14th century somewhat anachronistic? The Galician-Vohynian Principality/Kingdom included parts of what are now Ukraine and Belarus (as well as Polish borderlands) but did not include Kiev. And anyway, it was a vassal to the Golden Horde after 1246, so I don't see how you can talk about it "remaining" independent in the fourteenth century. In any event, its inhabitants would presumably describe their nationality as Rus' (*not* the same thing as modern "Russian") rather than "Ukrainian" which at that time was simply a geographical expression.
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

David T said:
Isn't talking about a "Ukrainian" state in the 14th century somewhat anachronistic? The Galician-Vohynian Principality/Kingdom included parts of what are now Ukraine and Belarus (as well as Polish borderlands) but did not include Kiev. And anyway, it was a vassal to the Golden Horde after 1246, so I don't see how you can talk about it "remaining" independent in the fourteenth century. In any event, its inhabitants would presumably describe their nationality as Rus' (*not* the same thing as modern "Russian") rather than "Ukrainian" which at that time was simply a geographical expression.
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Ukraine claims to be the successor of Galicia-Volhynia, that is why I said it as Ukraine, the Ukrainians also consider themselves as (the successor of) Rus and Ruthenians.
 
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Kalontas

kasumigenx said:
Ukraine claims to be the successor of Galicia-Volhynia, that is why I said it as Ukraine, the Ukrainians also consider themselves as (the successor of) Rus and Ruthenians.
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Modern nations often consider themselves successors of many silly things, doesn't make it accurate to call them that. There was no such thing as Ukraine - just slowly mongolizing nomads in the Steppe part of modern day Ukraine, and a few "Russian" principalities.
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Kalontas said:
Modern nations often consider themselves successors of many silly things, doesn't make it accurate to call them that. There was no such thing as Ukraine - just slowly mongolizing nomads in the Steppe part of modern day Ukraine, and a few "Russian" principalities.
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I changed "Ukraine" to Galicia-Volhynia/Galicia
 

Lucius Verus

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No reason why it should since it was nomadic, sparsely populated, and without natural borders except the Carpathian mountains.
 
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