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A new Australian flag I made for fun. I know there are better alternative and proposed flags of Australia out there, but I wanted to try my hand after reading that several flag proposals had failed due to either not incorporating enough of Australia's historical identity, lacking aboriginal representation, or not creating a distinct Australian identity. So this is what I came up with.

The Blue represents Australia's past. The black and red with the yellow circle represent the aboriginal population. I adjusted the circle to fit the center (basically for aesthetic purposes. I mean no offense if this modification is disrespectful. That is not my intent). Of course, I added the Southern Cross (that one little five-pointed star was a hassle. I tried to keep the arrangement of stars as close as possible to the standard arrangement). Near the fly end, I chose yellow and green as that seems to be a consistent color in modern redesigned Australian flags. The stylistic choice of the slanted orientation is to give the impression of an arrow moving forward, as well as a slight representation of the Union Jack between the white outline and blue fly.

Anyway, enjoy. Feel free to use it in your timelines (with credit) or give critique.
 
I went through many different configurations of that star. Originally I had it in the middle of the black stripe between the yellow circle and the point where the outlined stripes meet. But, that threw the Southern Cross alignment a little too far out for my liking. Then I did have it as a blue star over the white, which was decent, but still felt a bit out of place neighboring the other white stars and black somewhat clashed in my opinion (dark on dark). I tried red, green, yellow, black, with various line placements (inward and outward). I finally settled on a white star to try best to keep as much consistency as I could. If yellow had stood out better, I may have went with that, but it still clashed to me. The outline was a necessity to avoid white on white. That was the hassle I mentioned in my original post. Here is the alternate first version of the flag.

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I have also made a compromise version of the flag. I think this version may help balance out some of the issues, at least in a way that looks presentable and is a positive (in my opinion) compromise. I do beieve these will be the only three versions I do.

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From my current timeline

Flag for an "Angevin Empire" made of the union between England and Spain*instead of France(but still keeping their french territories) under the house of Valois and Ivrea in a No Hundred Years War timeline

*Castille technically, but it already encompasses most of Iberia despite the lack of Aragon, so details
 
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A new Australian flag I made for fun. I know there are better alternative and proposed flags of Australia out there, but I wanted to try my hand after reading that several flag proposals had failed due to either not incorporating enough of Australia's historical identity, lacking aboriginal representation, or not creating a distinct Australian identity. So this is what I came up with.

The Blue represents Australia's past. The black and red with the yellow circle represent the aboriginal population. I adjusted the circle to fit the center (basically for aesthetic purposes. I mean no offense if this modification is disrespectful. That is not my intent). Of course, I added the Southern Cross (that one little five-pointed star was a hassle. I tried to keep the arrangement of stars as close as possible to the standard arrangement). Near the fly end, I chose yellow and green as that seems to be a consistent color in modern redesigned Australian flags. The stylistic choice of the slanted orientation is to give the impression of an arrow moving forward, as well as a slight representation of the Union Jack between the white outline and blue fly.

Anyway, enjoy. Feel free to use it in your timelines (with credit) or give critique.

I went through many different configurations of that star. Originally I had it in the middle of the black stripe between the yellow circle and the point where the outlined stripes meet. But, that threw the Southern Cross alignment a little too far out for my liking. Then I did have it as a blue star over the white, which was decent, but still felt a bit out of place neighboring the other white stars and black somewhat clashed in my opinion (dark on dark). I tried red, green, yellow, black, with various line placements (inward and outward). I finally settled on a white star to try best to keep as much consistency as I could. If yellow had stood out better, I may have went with that, but it still clashed to me. The outline was a necessity to avoid white on white. That was the hassle I mentioned in my original post. Here is the alternate first version of the flag.

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EDIT:
I have also made a compromise version of the flag. I think this version may help balance out some of the issues, at least in a way that looks presentable and is a positive (in my opinion) compromise. I do beieve these will be the only three versions I do.

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Waaaay too much going on. Representing different aspects of Australia should not mean throwing everything but the kitchen sink in the flag!
 
Made these flags for Australia and new Zealand for a 2050s worldbuilding for a comic I was making where I got distracted by the worldbuilding that doesn't even matter in the comic.
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Apparently, in 1977 when Fidel Castro was becoming involved in the Second Ogaden War, he attempted to broker a truce by proposing to merge Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Yemen together in a federation. I don't know if this is totally true, but I did find a possibly credible source:
No I don't know what the finer details were besides a very vauge statement by this source. I'm not sure even what he would be thinking. It seems sort of logical since Castro was far more willing to sideline national/ethnic identities to create communist states (Hence he got involved in multiple civil wars in Africa). Although I'm not sure he ever knew much about Somalia, Ethiopia, or Yemen anyways.
Either way, it was rejected by all.
I've pursued this a bit more to try and find more detail on the matter. That this proposal was made seems to be nearly a matter of fact. The proposal was made on March 16th at a meeting that lasted all of 15 minutes before it broke down due to ireeconcilable hostility between the Ethiopian and Somali representative.

It seems that this was not just some hare-brained idea of Castro's. It was a Soviet proposal that arose out of quite practical grounding. Ethiopia under the Emperor had historically been a steadfast ally of the West. This served to cement Western and Arab control over the strategically vital (as we have seen in recent months) Red Sea, which was further strengthened by Egypt's detente with Israel, and the resolution of the North Yemen conflict in a compromise that sidelined the Soviets. A Western-aligned Ethiopia also denigrated the ability of the Soviets to project influence through sub-Saharan Africa.
  • Consequently, The Soviets had poured a tremendous amount of resources into Somalia with its irredentist claims against Ethiopia, such that Somalia became the best armed state in sub-Saharan Africa.
  • Likewise, the Soviets provided arms to the Eritrean nationalist movement to undermine Addis Ababa and to potentially gain the Soviets an outlet on the Red Sea.
  • However, with the overthrow of Haile Selassie by the socialist Derg in 1974, matters changed. The Derg was making forceful changes in Ethiopia that spoke positively to their socialist bona fides. Suddenly Ethiopia was a potential ally with many factors speaking in its favor -
    • An old ally of Washington could be wrested away from it
    • Ethiopia's large population, abundant natural resources, and good prospects for development (and the actions of the Derg which showed a commitment to development)
    • Ethiopia's central position in the Horn of Africa provided a geostrategic opportunity for domination of the whole area, including the Red Sea littoral (thus allowing control over global shipping), and the projection of influence into Arabia and sub-Saharan Africa.
    • Ethiopia's control over the headwaters of the Nile gives it strategic leverage over Egypt and Sudan who were drifting away from the Soviet camp
  • In spite of these benefits, it came with large problems, namely the potential to entirely alienate Somalia and Eritrea. This would not only waste the investment that had been poured into these parties, but it could consequently push these parties into the arms of the Arabs and Washington (or Beijing), losing Soviet influence over the Red Sea. Alliance with Ethiopia would likewise alienate Arabs, due to the close relations between Ethiopia and Israel that continued even after the Derg came to power.
With all of this in mind, the essential aim of the federation proposal was to allow the Soviets to have their cake and eat it too. A federation could provide for an extreme autonomy in the Ogaden such that the interests of Somali herdsmen are not infringed upon by the Ethiopians, but the Ethiopians still do not have to concede the territory to Somalia. On a similar note - Rather than having to alienate the Eritreans, autonomy could be provided for them within a federation, keeping them happy without forcing Ethiopia to concede it entirely. A federation would create a united front against Arab control in the Red Sea, and allow the sharing of resources to drive forward development.

It's also worth noting that the federation was also intended to ask Djibouti to join. At the time of the proposal, it was still the French Territory of the Afars and the Issas, but was due to receive independence later in the year. Presumably, as the Somalis had designs on the territory, its integration into the federation would serve to assuage Somali irredentism. The proposal was obviously a huge failure, talks broke down in 15 minutes when the Somalis said anything short of Somali control of the Ogaden was unacceptable, and the Ethiopians countered that Somalia was a made-up country invented by the British and Italians.

From my reading, it seems like though the proposal was unworkable from the start, the Somalis are more at fault from its failures. It seems as though the Deg, based on its stated ideology and negotiations made after the Ogaden War, would have been open to some kind of autonomy for the Ogaden. Siad Barre and the prevailing ideology in Somalia on the other hand was driven and held together by nationalism, with development-focused scientific socialists being a fairly sidelined in the regime: Concession of the Ogaden or Somalia's other claims (Djibouti and Northern Kenya) were unacceptable to the very constitution of the socialist Somali state. This whole paragraph is my personal speculation, I could be overstating the Derg's willingness to compromise, not sure.

With all of this in mind, here's a WorldA patch showing the federation with the inclusion of Djibouti, and autonomy of the Ogaden and Eritrea.

References
"Eritreans Urge Negotiations." The Washington Post. 1978.
Nurthen, William A. Soviet Strategy in the Red Sea Basin. Monterrey: Naval Post Graduate School. 1980.
Papp, Daniel S. “The Soviet Union and Cuba in Ethiopia.Current History 76, no. 445 (1979): 110–30. 1979.
Remnek, Richard. "Soviet Policy in the Horn of Africa: The Decision to Intervene." Alexandria: Center for Naval Analyses. 1980.
Sloppy writing on my part: Nurthen (who I am most reliant on) only cites Soviet concern of Chinese influence as regards Somalia and, to a lesser degree, South Yemen, he doesn't bring it up relating to the Eritreans. And he does in fact hedge that the Soviet support to Eritrean movements is indirect and not extensive.

However - given the date for Nurthen's thesis, and looking over some of the references to support for Eritrea, I wonder to what degree this was fog-of-war projection on his part.

Nurthen pg. 18:

Corresponding footnote, pg. 37-38:

This is virtually the only evidence provided of Soviet support to the Eritreans - thin gruel indeed. Though there is something to be said for the fact that both the Cubans and the South Yemenis did support the Eritreans up to 1975, which would indicate at least tacit approval on the part of the Soviets. And the Soviets did support the 9-point plan for peaceful reconciliation of the Eritrean conflict (rejected by the Eritreans and the Derg), and it seems like they did see a broader Horn Federation as a means to ameliorate the conflict.

Still, it seems Nurthen does overstate the degree of Soviet influence and support of the Eritreans, their reconciliatory approach seems more practical than anything, not wanting to be sucked into a quagmire in helping the Derg suppress the rebels (as they would end up doing). Papp's "Eritrea and the Soviet-Cuban Connection" (1978) was useful in getting a reality check on Soviet involvement in Eritrea.

The essential picture remains the same: The Soviets did not want to alienate the Eritreans. If the Eritreans ended up winning than it would cut Ethiopia off from the Red Sea, losing the Soviets their outlet when they've already alienated Somalia. If the Eritreans were put down in military conflict (as the Derg seemed to prefer), it would be costly for the Soviets, further alienate them from the Arab world, and play into the Maoist line framing the Soviets as colonizers. So the Soviets hoped for a political settlement with the Eritreans, whether that be in a Ethiopian federation or a pan-Horn federation.
Pursuant to these discussions: I have become enchanted by the wild Cuban-Soviet proposal of a federation of socialist countries around the Red Sea, consisting of Somalia, newly-socialist Ethiopia, South Yemen, Djibouti, and with some kind of autonomy for the Ogaden and Eritrea. This concept would allow the Soviets to reconcile their long-standing investment in Somalia while getting to have a new ally in Ethiopia, create a political settlement in Eritrea to avoid a quagmire, and create a united front to project Soviet influence and control in Arabia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the Red Sea.

The proposal was made by Castro at a meeting between Siad Barre and Mengistu. Siad Barre said that any federation that didn't provide for full Somali sovereignty over the Ogaden would be unacceptable. Mengistu countered that Somalia was a made-up country invented by the British and the Italians. Siad Barre left the table. The meeting lasted all of 15 minutes, and the dream of a Horn federation died.

Though it was basically unworkable, I find the concept to be highly compelling. My first thought is - What is such a federation called? The obvious (and likely) candidate would be "The Federation of the Horn" or some such, however this is boring, and also has the issue that there is no one word for Horn in the various languages. Not a huge issue, just as there is no one word for Europe in the European Union, though they get pretty close. My first thought was "Erythaea", as it embraces both sides of the Red Sea. But obviously this has the issue of being too favorable to the Eritreans, and would likely be rejected by the Derg.

What I ultimately settled on was "The Federation of the Peoples' Republics of Punt." 'Peoples'" reflects both the socialist character of these states, but also the federations diversity, both across the federation and within its constituents (most especially Ethiopia). As to the name "Punt": As a real proper noun (unlike the Horn), it could be more or less identical across the constituent members, without elevating any one. Certain schools of history see Punt as not having referred to Africa or Arabia, or any one country, but being a general term that referred to both. Using such an ancient name would help to build a regional sense of identity, free from modern chauvinisms. The federation is not Muslim or Christian, it is not Somali or Ethiopian, not Amhara or Oromo: It is Punt.

I prepared two flags for this proposed federation. The first is again based on ancient history, namely that of Damot. Damot is the oldest society in the Horn for which we have eppigraphic records, though only a handful. These are in the Sabaic language, and seems to represent a Sabaean colony that mixed with the locals, and thus would become the forebearer for civilization in the horn of Africa. In these inscriptions there is a common refrain -

he became the king of Dʿmt, its east and its west, its Sabaeans and its settlers, its Red and its Black.
The refrain of "its red and its black," presumably referring to the differing skin tones of the Sabaeans and the natives, seems appropriate for a country like our Punt federation which seeks to unite a diverse group of people, and also calls attention to the region's common ancient heritage and origin.

So, my first flag has a black bar on its left (representing Africa to the west) and red on its right (Arabia to the east). A pale in the middle is dominated by a sickle and cog, an intentional call back to the crescent and disc symbol that was shared by ancient Yemen and Ethiopia, while also doubling as a secularized Islamic star and crescent. The sickle represents the predominantly agrarian and peasant nature of the federation. The cog with the red star set in it stands above it represents g the dream of development and industrialization that the federation will strive for. The five points of the star (its design taken from Ethiopia) represent Ethiopia, Somalia, South Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea. The green stands for fertility, and the federations Islamic heritage, and is also a shade found on many of the constituents' flags. The cyan stands for the sea and Christian heritage, and likewise is found on several constiuent flags.

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However - The flag looks perhaps too pan-Arab, and I wonder if emphasizing the racial distinction between Africans and Arabs is really the best, even if it does so in an attempt to unify. So I prepared a second draft.

Here the black represents the African struggle for liberation, the green represents the Islamic/Arab struggle. The red field in the middle of course for socialism, but also for the Red Sea which runs through the middle of the country. As you can see, I am very attached to the Sabaean disc and crescent motif in a socialist lense, and will not change it. I set the star over a totally cyan field - cyan is represented in the flag of 4 of the federation members, and putting the star in it makes it like a star in the sky.

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Curious what people prefer between these two flags, and if there are any suggestions for improvements.
 
Pursuant to these discussions: I have become enchanted by the wild Cuban-Soviet proposal of a federation of socialist countries around the Red Sea, consisting of Somalia, newly-socialist Ethiopia, South Yemen, Djibouti, and with some kind of autonomy for the Ogaden and Eritrea. This concept would allow the Soviets to reconcile their long-standing investment in Somalia while getting to have a new ally in Ethiopia, create a political settlement in Eritrea to avoid a quagmire, and create a united front to project Soviet influence and control in Arabia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the Red Sea.

The proposal was made by Castro at a meeting between Siad Barre and Mengistu. Siad Barre said that any federation that didn't provide for full Somali sovereignty over the Ogaden would be unacceptable. Mengistu countered that Somalia was a made-up country invented by the British and the Italians. Siad Barre left the table. The meeting lasted all of 15 minutes, and the dream of a Horn federation died.

Though it was basically unworkable, I find the concept to be highly compelling. My first thought is - What is such a federation called? The obvious (and likely) candidate would be "The Federation of the Horn" or some such, however this is boring, and also has the issue that there is no one word for Horn in the various languages. Not a huge issue, just as there is no one word for Europe in the European Union, though they get pretty close. My first thought was "Erythaea", as it embraces both sides of the Red Sea. But obviously this has the issue of being too favorable to the Eritreans, and would likely be rejected by the Derg.

What I ultimately settled on was "The Federation of the Peoples' Republics of Punt." 'Peoples'" reflects both the socialist character of these states, but also the federations diversity, both across the federation and within its constituents (most especially Ethiopia). As to the name "Punt": As a real proper noun (unlike the Horn), it could be more or less identical across the constituent members, without elevating any one. Certain schools of history see Punt as not having referred to Africa or Arabia, or any one country, but being a general term that referred to both. Using such an ancient name would help to build a regional sense of identity, free from modern chauvinisms. The federation is not Muslim or Christian, it is not Somali or Ethiopian, not Amhara or Oromo: It is Punt.

I prepared two flags for this proposed federation. The first is again based on ancient history, namely that of Damot. Damot is the oldest society in the Horn for which we have eppigraphic records, though only a handful. These are in the Sabaic language, and seems to represent a Sabaean colony that mixed with the locals, and thus would become the forebearer for civilization in the horn of Africa. In these inscriptions there is a common refrain -


The refrain of "its red and its black," presumably referring to the differing skin tones of the Sabaeans and the natives, seems appropriate for a country like our Punt federation which seeks to unite a diverse group of people, and also calls attention to the region's common ancient heritage and origin.

So, my first flag has a black bar on its left (representing Africa to the west) and red on its right (Arabia to the east). A pale in the middle is dominated by a sickle and cog, an intentional call back to the crescent and disc symbol that was shared by ancient Yemen and Ethiopia, while also doubling as a secularized Islamic star and crescent. The sickle represents the predominantly agrarian and peasant nature of the federation. The cog with the red star set in it stands above it represents g the dream of development and industrialization that the federation will strive for. The five points of the star (its design taken from Ethiopia) represent Ethiopia, Somalia, South Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea. The green stands for fertility, and the federations Islamic heritage, and is also a shade found on many of the constituents' flags. The cyan stands for the sea and Christian heritage, and likewise is found on several constiuent flags.

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However - The flag looks perhaps too pan-Arab, and I wonder if emphasizing the racial distinction between Africans and Arabs is really the best, even if it does so in an attempt to unify. So I prepared a second draft.

Here the black represents the African struggle for liberation, the green represents the Islamic/Arab struggle. The red field in the middle of course for socialism, but also for the Red Sea which runs through the middle of the country. As you can see, I am very attached to the Sabaean disc and crescent motif in a socialist lense, and will not change it. I set the star over a totally cyan field - cyan is represented in the flag of 4 of the federation members, and putting the star in it makes it like a star in the sky.

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Curious what people prefer between these two flags, and if there are any suggestions for improvements.
The second looks like an Afghanistan Republic flag with a new coat of arms, I'm going for the first even if seems like a Roman Republic flag. Also I would also have made the sickle smaller and centered the star emblem in the center of the flag.
 
From my current timeline

Flag for an "Angevin Empire" made of the union between England and Spain*instead of France(but still keeping their french territories) under the house of Valois and Ivrea in a No Hundred Years War timeline

*Castille technically, but it already encompasses most of Iberia despite the lack of Aragon, so details
Did it eventually go republican, judging from the mural crown, or is that just to signfiy control over the cities and martime of the empire?
 
Did it eventually go republican, judging from the mural crown, or is that just to signfiy control over the cities and martime of the empire?
More so as a stand in for Castille's castle standard but reshaped as a crown in order to signify the Crown of Castille
Meanwhile the lys flowers are a stand in for the royal house of England while the lions they're merged with represent both the ones used in british heraldry(such as that of the Lancasters, who claimed Castille in the first place) and that of the kingdom of Leon, who got absorbed into the union as part of Castille
 
The second looks like an Afghanistan Republic flag with a new coat of arms, I'm going for the first even if seems like a Roman Republic flag. Also I would also have made the sickle smaller and centered the star emblem in the center of the flag.
The Afghanistan connection did occur to me, but I felt the wide pale and the different style of the symbols therein served as sufficient distinction.

But all valid feedback, much obliged!
 
More so as a stand in for Castille's castle standard but reshaped as a crown in order to signify the Crown of Castille
Meanwhile the lys flowers are a stand in for the royal house of England while the lions they're merged with represent both the ones used in british heraldry(such as that of the Lancasters, who claimed Castille in the first place) and that of the kingdom of Leon, who got absorbed into the union as part of Castille
Thanks for explaining, really in the moment you don't explained what the symbols are supposed to mean.
 
Thanks for explaining, really in the moment you don't explained what the symbols are supposed to mean.
No problem!
Thanks for making it in the first place

In addition to that:

The blue came from England's House of Valois while the white and red from Spain's House of Ivrea

The colours intentionally being a call back to the Union Jack while the overall way they're arranged and design of the flag in general take from the modern flag of Spain
 
Something like this?
I quite like the design, but whilst I think the original was too busy I feel it’s a mistake to get rid of the arrow. I feel like the arrow as a very subtle nod to the Union Flag is definitely one of the more unique points as Australian flag redesigns rarely seem to do that, it also adds a unique Ausie touch á la the Canadian Pale (which is notionally one of the objectives people have for redesigning the current flag).
 
After listening to the feedback and managing to figure out best how to implement the critiques, I have settled on this alternate Australian flag design. It combines elements from basically each individual option I had presented. I also tried to lessen the impact of some of the elements so that they would not be too overwhelming. So I tried creating space between those unique elements in the hopes of balancing them. Of course, I had to compromise on some elements (the Stars of the Southern Cross most notably). I believe this design flows well enough, and manages to keep the original meanings I had developed with the original alternate flag.

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