Flag Thread IV
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A few flags I made for my timeline: The Promise of a Clean Regime | An Independent State of Croatia TL
Nation/organization: Republic of Ragusa (Dubrovačka Republika in Croatian, Repubblica di Ragusa in Italian)
Short description: A fascist's wet dream, founded in June 1941 on roughly 1 400 km2 of territory along the east coast of the Adriatic Sea, Ante Pavelić and the small number of Ustaše that were shafted by Vladko Maček's decision to take the reigns of a puppetized pro-German Croatia quickly got to work, recruiting every living human being within the territory into the army (roughly 80 000 citizens), dead-set on preparing his Fortezza Ragusa (lit. Fortress Ragusa) for the inevitable conflict with the Kingdom of Croatia.
Introductory chapter: Chapter III.I | Cold Sun
Flag symbolism: Red, white and blue are pan-Slavic colors. Red denotes the blood that will be shed in the Ustaše's unstoppable fight for Croatian freedom against Germanic oppression. Blue showcases the lifeline of the Croatian nation - Adriatic Sea that belongs to the Croats (from Trieste to Ulcinj), while white symbolizes the blade of a sword meant to deliver justice onto the undesirables that are ruining Croatia from outside and from within. The positioning of the Ustaše coat of arms in the upper left corner shows the Ustaše's true intentions of overlooking every nook and cranny of their constituents' life, while the central positioning of a white-red checkered coat of arms (widely utilized by Pavelić and his organization during the 1930s) within the white diagonal line is there to show the belief of the state in Croatian racial purity and its intention to cleanse what Pavelić considers historical Croatian territory of its ruinous elements.
Nation/organization: Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia (Područje Vojnog zapovednika Srbije in Serbian) / Draškić's Serbia (Draškićeva Srbija in Serbian) / Commissioner Serbia (Komesarska Srbija in Serbian)
Short description: Puppet government built on the ruins of Yugoslavia without any real civil or administrative power, with all of it residing in the position of the aforementioned German Military Commander. Symbolic civil power is maintained by a group of ten commissioners (called the Council of Commissioners), and after Milan Aćimović's forced resignation as Head of the Council, his vacant seat was then taken by Brigadier General Panta Draškić in hopes of quelling the Chetnik-Partisan rebellion. Draškić was even given more leeway in some of the decision-making, greatly reducing the strain on the puppet government, but still not allowing it to finds its footing even by May 1942.
Introductory chapter: Chapter III.III | Uncertain Overture
Flag symbolism: A typical Serbian horizontal red-blue-white tricolor dating back to the 1835 Sretenje Constitution. The double-headed white eagle is the bird most commonly associated with Serbia, and it is holding a red shield (adorned with a white Christian cross and one firesteel in each section - typically referred to as the Cyrillic letter C that comprises the motto used by the regime: Samo sloga Srbina spašava, or Only Unity Saves the Serb) that denotes the Serbian nation. For the first time in its history, the classic white eagle does not have a crown above it, showing the Nazi Military Commander's distaste for royalty. The coat of arms' small size is meant to showcase the overall powerlessness and impotency of the leading regime, resulting in over a dozen different factions fighting for power in the rump Serbian nation.
Nation/organization: Slovenian National Council (Slovenski nacionalni svet in Slovene, Slovensko nacionalno vijeće in Croatian) / Sun Council (Sončni svet in Slovene, Sunčevo vijeće in Croatian)
Short description: After the fall of Yugoslavia, many factions sprang up in what used to be the Drava Banovina, one of which was centered around a bunch of ethnic Slovene royalists from the Royal Yugoslav Army. Unfortunately for them, the new regime in Italy did not take kindly to their continuous resistance, leading to a wild pursuit across Slovenia that resulted in only 11 of what used to be a force of 250 men surviving the siege of the Rihemberk Castle. A few months later they find refuge in Croatia, where the government encourages them to denounce Chetnik commander (and their superior) Mihailović in favor of forming a separate organization meant to unify the 45 thousand or so Slovenian refugees located in Croatia.
Introductory chapter: IV.III | They Come From Where No Man Can Sunshine Find
Flag symbolism: The appropriately called Golden Sun Flag is just your typical pan-Slavic fare. Greatly inspired by the first Slovenian horizontal tricolor flown in Ljubljana on April 7, 1848. The Golden Sun in the middle, though, is a subject of much debate to this day. Some say the positioning of the Sun's legs is meant to symbolize the Nazi swastika, some even say that its design was taken from the SS' Black Sun (Schwarze Sonne), while others mention that it was taken as one of many motifs from Slovene national revivalist France Prešeren's seminal work A Wreath of Sonnets, and some even speculate that the Golden Sun is simply there to denote the new dawn of Slovene independence that will be revived with great assistance from Zagreb.
Nation/organization: Slovene Detachments of the Royal Croatian Home Guard (Slovenski odredi Kraljevskog hrvatskog domobranstva in Croatian) / Maister's Sons (Maistrovi sinovi in Slovenian/Croatian) / Sun Legion (Sončna legija in Slovenian, Sunčeva legija in Croatian)
Short description: Paramilitary wing of the Slovenian National Council led directly by its seven councilors. As a special army section of the Royal Croatian Home Guard, its 6 000 members are allowed to hold their training in Slovene, to have their units take on Slovenian names and utilize a special academy built just for them in Vrankovec (close to the Sun Council's HQ in Krapina) in November 1942. Its status almost identical to the status of the Croatian Home Guard within the Hungarian Honvéd in Austria-Hungary.
Introductory chapter: IV.III | They Come From Where No Man Can Sunshine Find
Flag symbolism: Identical to the Council's flag in terms of the coat of arms. The solely dark-blue color was chosen as a reference to the name of the Slovene Chetniks during their fight in Slovenia - Blue Guard (Plava garda). It also denotes the Adriatic Sea which the Slovenes have territorial aspirations toward, as well as the azure color of the sky where they believe they will go after they die in battle.
Short description: A fascist's wet dream, founded in June 1941 on roughly 1 400 km2 of territory along the east coast of the Adriatic Sea, Ante Pavelić and the small number of Ustaše that were shafted by Vladko Maček's decision to take the reigns of a puppetized pro-German Croatia quickly got to work, recruiting every living human being within the territory into the army (roughly 80 000 citizens), dead-set on preparing his Fortezza Ragusa (lit. Fortress Ragusa) for the inevitable conflict with the Kingdom of Croatia.
Introductory chapter: Chapter III.I | Cold Sun
Flag symbolism: Red, white and blue are pan-Slavic colors. Red denotes the blood that will be shed in the Ustaše's unstoppable fight for Croatian freedom against Germanic oppression. Blue showcases the lifeline of the Croatian nation - Adriatic Sea that belongs to the Croats (from Trieste to Ulcinj), while white symbolizes the blade of a sword meant to deliver justice onto the undesirables that are ruining Croatia from outside and from within. The positioning of the Ustaše coat of arms in the upper left corner shows the Ustaše's true intentions of overlooking every nook and cranny of their constituents' life, while the central positioning of a white-red checkered coat of arms (widely utilized by Pavelić and his organization during the 1930s) within the white diagonal line is there to show the belief of the state in Croatian racial purity and its intention to cleanse what Pavelić considers historical Croatian territory of its ruinous elements.
Short description: Puppet government built on the ruins of Yugoslavia without any real civil or administrative power, with all of it residing in the position of the aforementioned German Military Commander. Symbolic civil power is maintained by a group of ten commissioners (called the Council of Commissioners), and after Milan Aćimović's forced resignation as Head of the Council, his vacant seat was then taken by Brigadier General Panta Draškić in hopes of quelling the Chetnik-Partisan rebellion. Draškić was even given more leeway in some of the decision-making, greatly reducing the strain on the puppet government, but still not allowing it to finds its footing even by May 1942.
Introductory chapter: Chapter III.III | Uncertain Overture
Flag symbolism: A typical Serbian horizontal red-blue-white tricolor dating back to the 1835 Sretenje Constitution. The double-headed white eagle is the bird most commonly associated with Serbia, and it is holding a red shield (adorned with a white Christian cross and one firesteel in each section - typically referred to as the Cyrillic letter C that comprises the motto used by the regime: Samo sloga Srbina spašava, or Only Unity Saves the Serb) that denotes the Serbian nation. For the first time in its history, the classic white eagle does not have a crown above it, showing the Nazi Military Commander's distaste for royalty. The coat of arms' small size is meant to showcase the overall powerlessness and impotency of the leading regime, resulting in over a dozen different factions fighting for power in the rump Serbian nation.
Short description: After the fall of Yugoslavia, many factions sprang up in what used to be the Drava Banovina, one of which was centered around a bunch of ethnic Slovene royalists from the Royal Yugoslav Army. Unfortunately for them, the new regime in Italy did not take kindly to their continuous resistance, leading to a wild pursuit across Slovenia that resulted in only 11 of what used to be a force of 250 men surviving the siege of the Rihemberk Castle. A few months later they find refuge in Croatia, where the government encourages them to denounce Chetnik commander (and their superior) Mihailović in favor of forming a separate organization meant to unify the 45 thousand or so Slovenian refugees located in Croatia.
Introductory chapter: IV.III | They Come From Where No Man Can Sunshine Find
Flag symbolism: The appropriately called Golden Sun Flag is just your typical pan-Slavic fare. Greatly inspired by the first Slovenian horizontal tricolor flown in Ljubljana on April 7, 1848. The Golden Sun in the middle, though, is a subject of much debate to this day. Some say the positioning of the Sun's legs is meant to symbolize the Nazi swastika, some even say that its design was taken from the SS' Black Sun (Schwarze Sonne), while others mention that it was taken as one of many motifs from Slovene national revivalist France Prešeren's seminal work A Wreath of Sonnets, and some even speculate that the Golden Sun is simply there to denote the new dawn of Slovene independence that will be revived with great assistance from Zagreb.
Short description: Paramilitary wing of the Slovenian National Council led directly by its seven councilors. As a special army section of the Royal Croatian Home Guard, its 6 000 members are allowed to hold their training in Slovene, to have their units take on Slovenian names and utilize a special academy built just for them in Vrankovec (close to the Sun Council's HQ in Krapina) in November 1942. Its status almost identical to the status of the Croatian Home Guard within the Hungarian Honvéd in Austria-Hungary.
Introductory chapter: IV.III | They Come From Where No Man Can Sunshine Find
Flag symbolism: Identical to the Council's flag in terms of the coat of arms. The solely dark-blue color was chosen as a reference to the name of the Slovene Chetniks during their fight in Slovenia - Blue Guard (Plava garda). It also denotes the Adriatic Sea which the Slovenes have territorial aspirations toward, as well as the azure color of the sky where they believe they will go after they die in battle.
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WhiteDragon25
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Got some new flags for tonight! Only three of them this time:
The first one here is a Communist version of my Malaysia design - you can call this one the "Malay Worker's Confederation" flag.
The second one is also an alternate version of my Malaysia design, but this time it's a Fascist version - call this one the "National Union of Malaysia" flag.
The third and last one for tonight, is a bit special: it's a 'fascist'/National-Populist version of my previous Greater Liberia flag design... and as you can guess, it's a "Masonic Liberia" flag, where the Liberian Freemasons secret society have seized control of the government. The inspiration for this obviously crazy scenario? If the use of the term 'National-Populist' hasn't tipped you off, the answer is Kaiserreich - and yes, the mod does give Liberia this exact situation as a possible NatPop path it can take. It's so absurd it's hilarious.
That's all for tonight - oh! Except for one thing:
I came up with a bunch of Communist-themed emblems that I have no idea what flags to use them for: what countries would be thematically good fits for these emblem designs? I've been using the top-right one in a few of my new flags lately, and the bottom-middle one looks like a good representation for Stalinism... but the rest? I don't know; the left-most ones feel more industrial, while the bottom-right one feels more agrarian, while the top-middle feels more like pacifist/utopian-socialism than Marxist-flavor socialism.
I've basically been using my personal alt-history map as my source of inspiration, and the majority of my flags were specifically designed for that in mind... but I've practically covered every single country on that map by now, and what's left that I haven't covered yet... well, I've pretty much ran out of ideas. Mostly when it comes to Africa or SE-Asia or whatever.
If any of you have any suggestions, let me know!
That's all for tonight! Until next time!
The first one here is a Communist version of my Malaysia design - you can call this one the "Malay Worker's Confederation" flag.
The second one is also an alternate version of my Malaysia design, but this time it's a Fascist version - call this one the "National Union of Malaysia" flag.
The third and last one for tonight, is a bit special: it's a 'fascist'/National-Populist version of my previous Greater Liberia flag design... and as you can guess, it's a "Masonic Liberia" flag, where the Liberian Freemasons secret society have seized control of the government. The inspiration for this obviously crazy scenario? If the use of the term 'National-Populist' hasn't tipped you off, the answer is Kaiserreich - and yes, the mod does give Liberia this exact situation as a possible NatPop path it can take. It's so absurd it's hilarious.
That's all for tonight - oh! Except for one thing:
I came up with a bunch of Communist-themed emblems that I have no idea what flags to use them for: what countries would be thematically good fits for these emblem designs? I've been using the top-right one in a few of my new flags lately, and the bottom-middle one looks like a good representation for Stalinism... but the rest? I don't know; the left-most ones feel more industrial, while the bottom-right one feels more agrarian, while the top-middle feels more like pacifist/utopian-socialism than Marxist-flavor socialism.
I've basically been using my personal alt-history map as my source of inspiration, and the majority of my flags were specifically designed for that in mind... but I've practically covered every single country on that map by now, and what's left that I haven't covered yet... well, I've pretty much ran out of ideas. Mostly when it comes to Africa or SE-Asia or whatever.
If any of you have any suggestions, let me know!
That's all for tonight! Until next time!
@WhiteDragon25 as you have all this spare creative energy (
) have you thought of entering the flag challenge?
) have you thought of entering the flag challenge?
WhiteDragon25
Banned
@WhiteDragon25 as you have all this spare creative energy (
Eh, what's the current flag challenge? I don't really pay much attention to it, so I don't exactly know what the current one is.
The top right one says 'mining nation' to me, while the two on the right seem better for a region that's more industrialized. Maybe they could be regional flags for a communist Britain? I could see the left one being for Cornwall, while one of the anvils could be for the Black Country?
WhiteDragon25
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What countries would be considered 'mining' or 'industrial' nations? And what of 'agrarian' ones?
Like I said, the only area that really comes to mind when I think of mining is Cornwall. I guess maybe West Virginia could work too.
ST15RM
Banned
I’m not super crazy about the state flag. Mostly it’s the cross pattern, it works on a monochrome flag, but not a tricolor. I would suggest maybe put three large crosses on each color, or one in the middle.
Eh, it was just a quick design. There'll be a prettier version at some point that fits the division lines.
Edit: some more designs
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damein fisher
Banned
Where's his banhammer?
Careful with that kind of talk, wouldn't want to get banned
If any of you have any suggestions, let me know!
The top middle one reminds me of a hoi4 game, where I was in player-led conference mode. I was playing communist NZ and I tried to make the fairest possible peace. That would be a great socialist independant New Zealand flag, this symbol with Maori patterns
Edit : Argentina, really ? I meant New Zealand
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A flag I've designed for my main timeline. It requires more cleaning up through some other graphics software.
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