Even If Successful Amerindian Immunity...

[Malta]

The effects of a Immune Americas would mean that the utter social and political collapse of the period would not happen. Political and social structures would still be in position to resist Settlement Colonization. Though, of these the Aztecs would fail on a political level, but the magnitude of political and social collapse would still not be as bad and the butterflies would see a much longer conquest of the region.

With European powers unable to bring in large groups of settlers the Client Colonization style of Colonization would become the most popular. European dates would exact their tribute and interfere in local politics to bring about domestic social and cultural changes.

 

[Screvier20]

The developments in West Africa will be almost as interesting as the impact on the Americas. I wonder if you'll see more developed nation-states in West Africa without an large-scale slave trade.

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Immunity doesn't simply happen. It has to be selected for. Which means there have to be massive epidemic diseases in the New World. Which means there (almost certainly) have to be sizable numbers of domestic animals (both for zoonoses of the domestic animals to jump to humans and to serve as an intermediary for diseases from e.g. wild bats/rodents to then jump to humans).

But the establishment of a sizable set of domestic animals massively changes the whole cultural landscape, increases the population etc., so that the natives will be better prepared to take on the Europeans even without immunity.

Even then, it's going to be less 'immunity' (even Europeans communities never exposed to smallpox, measles or mumps until adults had horrible fatality rates), and more that the Europeans would die as well.

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Has anyone actually ever done a TL for Ameridian Immunity?

The required agricultural changes have been explored in such TL's as

Pecari rex, Equus regina: American Domesticates 3.0 (

1 2 3 4 5 6 7) twovultures

Lands of Ice and Mice: An Alternate History of the Thule (

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Last Page) DirtyCommie

Land of Salmon and Totems 2.0 (

1 2 3 4 5) King of Malta

Bronze Age New World: Empire of the Steppe (

1 2)
ChugachMtnBlues



Tame the Bison (

1 2 3 4 5)
King of Malta

What prevented the rise of bronze- and iron-age civilizations in the Americas? (

1 2 3)
RainbowDoubleDash

From Blight we Rise (

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9) General_Finley

Native American control of the Americas, post 15th-cent.
SuperMonkey

PC|WI: Domestication of American Species (

1 2)
Mr. BoJangles

WI: mutual die-off when Americas are discovered (

1 2)
Somes J

Land of the Horse Lords (North American Megafauna) (

1 2)
Argo41

Plausibility Check: The Columbian Plague
Troyer IV

Amerindian Middle Ages (

1 2 3 4 5)
Chiropteroid












A deadlier Columbian exchange
Nooj

How to advance pre-Columbian America? (

1 2 3)
truth is life

etc., etc.

Also, of course the massive numbers of Vinland TLs which often introduce European diseases early enough that the locals get a chance to adjust.

 

[twovultures]

The required agricultural changes have been explored in such TL's as

Thing is, those time lines don't give Native Americans immunity. It gives them their own diseases to hit Europeans with, but it doesn't make them immune to European diseases, and it creates massive butterflies from when American diseases hit the Old World. The closest we get to that is my current TL, where an *American variola species gives the Natives cross-immunity to smallpox-but they're still not immune to measles, flu, yellow fever, malaria, black plague, etc. etc.

Also, of course the massive numbers of Vinland TLs which often introduce European diseases early enough that the locals get a chance to adjust.

That does work better for OP's request. Though even massive contact with Vinland would only expose Native Americans to a limited number of diseases.

 

[Mitchell Hundred]

Most of the European colonizations into regions with immunities to "european diseases" such as Africa, many part of Asia and India only occurred in the 19th century when the europeans had much better technology by that point.

In this scenario would we also see the mass colonization into the americas only emerging by the 19th century?

 

[twovultures]

In this scenario would we also see the mass colonization into the americas only emerging by the 19th century?

That really depends on the scenario. Without sleeping sickness, horses can go very far into the Americas and they are a powerful force multiplier for potential European conquerors. Africans had iron weapons to fight Europeans with, Native Americans with immunity but just stone weapons would be at a massive disadvantage.*

Basically, if the Natives have immunity but nothing else, they are still at a disadvantage compared to Africans and Asians in resisting colonialism.



*this has been debated elsewhere, suffice to say not everyone agrees with me on this.

 

[Malta]

The required agricultural changes have been explored in such TL's as

Land of Salmon and Totems 2.0 (

1 2 3 4 5) King of Malta

Tame the Bison (

1 2 3 4 5)
King of Malta