tom said:All you know about a TL is that Ethiopia rules the eastern half of Africa and the Arabian peninsula.
What would be most likely to create this state of affairs? What else could you deduce?
Norman said:What if the Crusades were more pan-Christian, and included significant Coptic involvement and Byzantine involvement?
I realize that there are some distances involved, but if the Copts becamse more militantly involved at that point could they have moved into Upper Egypt and across the Horn?
640- Mohammad, Son of a minor [OTL Major] Mercant in the Hawastat, Begins preaching to reform Christianity, The powers that be, chase him out into the desert, He comes up with a Religion for the Bed-i-yon,
650- Mohammhad leads the Bed-i-yon in a attack on Mecca, when he goes on to Medinia, the Axum's Military kick the Bed-i-yon back to the Desert, Mohammhad captured, & exucuted.
750- Eygpt rebells against the Byzantines
800- Persia befeats the Ottaman turks
1450- Portugeses Ships rounding the Horn of Africa discover Christian Empire
extenting from the Red sea to the Mazambique Channell. Controlling 90% of the Indian Trade.
With the POD before his birth it would be much easier to butterfly him away.Originally Posted by DuQuense View Post
640- Mohammad, Son of a minor [OTL Major] Merchant in the Hawastat, Begins preaching to reform Christianity, The powers that be, chase him out into the desert, He comes up with a Religion for the Bed-i-yon,
650- Mohammad leads the Bed-i-yon in a attack on Mecca, when he goes on to Medina, the Axum's Military kick the Bed-i-yon back to the Desert, Mohammad captured, & executed.
Religious problems, same ones that let Islam capture Egypt so easily, ?Monophyites?Why?750- Egypt rebells against the Byzantines
Why, I think that a surviving Zoastitian Persia with 150 years after that great mutual destructive battle in the 600's could hold off the Steppe Turks.You're kidding me?800- Persia defeats the Ottoman Turks
No Islam means no Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, which means no Portugal. (And no Islam also means a lot of other things.)1450- Portuguese's Ships rounding the Horn of Africa discover Christian Empire extenting from the Red sea to the Mozambique Channel. Controlling 90% of the Indian Trade.
Okay so its Gothic instead...an Uber Catalonia then. and perhaps Suevia instead of Portugal. Of course you could also have a remnant Andalusia as well if Vandal North Africa is still destroyed some how.I don't think Spain would excist either...
True but Mecca was a Merchant town and Mohammad's family had been Merchants there for generations. Six of one/ half dozen of the other.
Why, I think that a surviving Zoastitian Persia with 150 years after that great mutual destructive battle in the 600's could hold off the Steppe Turks.
Okay so its Gothic instead...an Uber Catalonia then. and perhaps Suevia instead of Portugal. Of course you could also have a remnant Andalusia as well if Vandal North Africa is still destroyed some how.
The Suevian areas were very rebellious and had only been recently conquered pre-Islamic Conquest, IIRC.As for Suevia & Spanish Vandalia, they were destroyed by the Visigoths centuries before the POD.
The Suevian areas were very rebellious and had only been recently conquered pre-Islamic Conquest, IIRC.
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Spain/Hispania- It would require a linguistic PoD to make someone realize that it is not supplemental prefix, but original form.