Elizabeth I is born a boy

This is a timeline that I began working on some time ago, due to suggestion by another poster (can't recall who).

1533:

Queen Consort Anne of England, Marchioness of Pembroke and the second wife of King Henry VIII, gives birth to a son on 17 September. The child is named Edward, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Chester.

1536:

The former Queen, Katherine of Aragon, dies, allowing reconciliation between the two families of King Henry VIII. Due to the intervention of Queen Anne, the Lady Mary is once again recognised as a legitimate Princess and Marchioness of Calais. Queen Anne spent a considerable part of her life in France and encourages her husband to build an alliance with the Valois Dynasty. Princess Mary is betrothed to Charles, Duc d'Orleans, third son of King Francis I of France. Part of the Pale of Calais is to be her dowry, as Calais is ecclesiastically part of France and poses a long term problem for reaching a religious settlement in England.

1538:

Henry VIII implements the Six Articles, shutting down the most corrupt of the monasteries. The settlement is not as reformist as OTL, and is opposed by Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer. The Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Essex, Thomas Cromwell is aware of Cranmer's weak point: his marriage. He reveals his knowledge to Henry VIII, who sends Cranmer to the block for treason. This action, undercutting one of the Queen's favourites, makes the Queen and Lord Chancellor bitter enemies.

1539:

Princess Mary is wed, at the age of twenty-three, becoming the daughter-in-law of the King of France. She will have two children: Francis, Duc d'Orleans (b.1541) and Charles, Duc d'Chatellerault (b.1543). At the time of their birth, they will be third and fourth in line to the English throne. Eighty years on, Mary's grandson will succeed to the throne as King Henry IV of France. She supports the general French policy of persecuting Huguenots.

1542:

The Italian Wars once again break out between the Franco-Ottoman alliance and the Holy Roman Empire. France is supported by Florence and Milan.

1543:

King Henry VIII and James Hamilton, Earl of Arras and Regent of Scotland, sign the Treaty of Greenwich, under which the infant Queen Mary I is betrothed to Prince Edward of Wales. King Francis I has his daughter-in-law approach her father for his support in the war against the Holy Roman Empire and Henry VIII commits English troops. The mother of Queen Mary, Maria of Guise, opposes the marriage and, ultimately, she will be forced to leave Scotland and settle in a convent in France.

1544:

As the costs of the war in Europe escalate, King Henry VIII steps up his closure of the monasteries. When this results in a popular backlash, Queen Anne convinces her husband that his Lord Chancellor is the one who should bear responsibility and Thomas Cromwell goes to the executioner's block. The new Lord Chancellor is the Earl of Southampton. The costs are also tight for King Francis I, who decides to imitate his neighbour and nationalise the assets of the Catholic Church, while still declaring nil tolerance for Calvinists and Lutherans. With the English capture of most of the Low Counties, Henry VIII decides to use the opportunity to undercut support for the Duke of Norfolk. His brother-in-law, the Earl of Sussex, is appointed to Ghent as Lord Lieutenant of Flanders. Baroness Catherine Seymour of Sudeley (OTL Catherine Parr) dies in childbirth.

1545:

Pope Paul III invites the nations of England and France to attend the Ecumenical Council of Bologna, in an attempt to find a way to deal with the splintering of the Church. However, his refusal to recognise them as respective leaders of their national churches means that both monarchs refuse to send anyone on their behalf.

1546:

A truce is reached in the war. England remains in control of the Netherlands, whose people are grateful for the end of a terrible Inquisition and support the liberation. France annexes Luxembourg and Lorraine.

1547:

King Francis I dies, leaving the throne to his son, who succeeds as King Henry II. He will reign for forty two years, one of the many long-reigning Valois kings. King Henry VIII enters his final illness. Emperor Charles V invades Saxony to cease the territory being used as a base for Lutheran heresy.

1548:

In gratitude for his services, Henry VIII elevates the Earl of Arran to the Order of the Garter and makes him Duke of Flanders on the condition that he will remain in Scotland as Regent. Queen Mary is, however, sent to London to be protected and raised away from the influence of her mother. Late in the year, King Henry VIII dies. He is succeeded by King Edward VI.

1549:

The English regency council has come to be dominated by the Dowager Queen Anne and the Earl of Southampton. There are concerns that the Dutch may use the opportunity to rebel against English rule and the Council forces an oath on the Dutch leadership to loyally support the claim of their "true and sovereign King" and recognise the incorporation of Flanders. In return, they are granted taxation concessions and a less intrusive government. In London, the imprisoned Bishop Gardiner is released and returned to his see. There is an attempt by Protestants to strengthen the reforms in the Anglican Church, causing uprisings both for and against the action. The Regency Council is forced to back down and retain much of the Catholic symbolism. In France, Marguerite de Navarre, who has done much to contain potential religious intolerance, dies.

1550:

King Edward VI declares his majority, dismissing the Earl of Southampton. He elevates Viscount Lisle to the position of Duke of Northumberland and makes him his first Lord Chancellor.

1551:

War breaks out once again between France and the Holy Roman Empire, with France taking the advantage of Lutheran uprisings that are already threatening Charles V and look like plunging the empire into civil war. The youthful King Edward VI joins in the conflict.

1552:

Emperor Charles V makes an edict of tolerance, granting freedom to Protestants within the empire.

1553:

English forces capture Cambrai and Liege, while the French take Verdun and Toul. The French army invades the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, threatening to overthrow Cosimo de Medici.

1554:

Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy and a loyal support of the Holy Roman Empire, is killed in battle in northern Italy. The title and the lands will fall to France and be granted to Jacques, Duc de Nemours, in return for his loyalty to the Valois over the Guise family, who support reconciliation with the Vatican. Edward Courtney is appointed Earl of Devon and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, with order to enforce English rule. While the oppression of the Irish will be successful ultimately, but will take all of Edward's reign, with the last rebels pacified the year before his death. Mary of Guise, now in France, begins to push for an end to the alliance between England and France.

1555:

King Edward VI of England and Queen Mary I of Scotland, both resident in London, agree to marry in three years. Mary has spent over half her life in England and barely remembers her homeland, which is now under de facto English control. Peace talks open between the combatants in the war in Europe after the fall of Tuscany.

1556:

Saxony leaves the Holy Roman Empire, after a successful rebellion. As a result, Emperor Charles V abdicates, leaving the throne to Ferdinand I, who will sign the treaty of peace with France. It will be the last conflict between the two powers. However, the throne of Spain is left to King Philip II, who is betrothed to Elizabeth de Valois, the daughter of King Henry II and Catherine de Medici, as part of the peace settlement. Over the last seven years, the boom in English-Flemish trade has led to a great level of prosperity, and their reliance upon the Portuguese merchant fleet has helped to build Lisbon into a power in its own right.

1557:

Philip II of Spain launches a surprise attack against France. The conflict will drag on for two years without resolution, but will eventually end when the English and the Ottomans once again threaten to intervene. The Duchess of Lorraine (OTL Anne of Cleves) dies.

1558:

Edward VI and Mary I are wed in Westminster Abbey, uniting the two kingdoms under the Tudor Dynasty. Wales, Ireland and the Netherlands remain crown dominions. The Dowager Duchess of Orleans dies on her way to England for her brother's wedding and is buried in Calais. There is also a funeral in France, with the death of Dowager Queen Eleanor. Dowager Queen Anne of England travels to Paris for the funeral. Reminded of her youth in France and now isolated from power in London, she decides to spend time in Paris in the apartments of Queen Catherine and will live there for two years before returning for the birth of her first grandson. The first cousin of Dowager Queen Anne, the Duke of Norfolk, becomes the new Lord Chancellor, and will remain in that office until he attempts a palace coup many years later.

1559:

Queen Mary of England and Scotland gives birth to the Princess Elizabeth, while the royal family loses Frances Brandon, the King's cousin. King Henry II attempts to control the increasing instability in France by issuing a proclamation empowering him to define and seek out heresy, with the ambition of bringing down the Guise family. The destruction of the Spanish fleet by the Ottomans off Djerba leaves Philip II heavily indebted to Italian bankers and forces him to surrender the protectorate of Tunis. He settles for peace, especially after his first colonisation expedition to North America fails.

1560:

King Edward VI proudly announces the birth of his heir, Prince Henry, who will succeed him as King Henry IX (1600-17). To tie the Netherlands further into his realm, the King declares that Netherlands will replace Wales as the crown principality. The Union Flag is raised; however, Scotland and England will remain separate states. Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire signs a treaty with France and England to end his westward expansion to obtain recognition for his conquest of the Barbary States. Maria of Guise dies.

1561:

Heavy taxes in Spain lead to difficult social conditions and there is an attempt to assassinate King Sebastian I of Portugal. There is a commitment between Edward VI and Henry II to defend Portugal from any Spanish attack. After St Paul's Cathedral is struck by lightning and burnt by fire, King Edward interprets the act as a strike against those who oppose his Church. There is a purge of Calvinists and Protestants. A new Italianate cathedral will be constructed, completed in 1575.

1562:

Queen Mary gives birth to three more children. They are: Anne (b.1562, died in infancy); Edward (b.1564, d.1625) and Mary (b.1565, d.1627). The Duke of Guise, uncle to Queen Mary, is arrested and executed in France for treason; his plan has been to depose the King and restore the "true Catholic faith". Scotland receives its own parliament and James, Earl of Moray, the Queen's half brother, become Lord Chancellor of Scotland. A large number of Huguenots, sensing the rising tension in France, begin to make their way to North America. The Duc de Vendome send his son (OTL Henry IV of France) to Paris, hoping to avoid dragging his son into the coming conflict between the reformers, radicals and conservatives in France.

1563:

Huguenot refugees establish the settlement of Caroline on the banks of May River (OTL Jacksonville, Florida), the oldest European city in North America. Small farms spread out along the coastline, despite it having been claimed by Spain. Francis, Duke of Orleans and nephew to King Edward, marries Catherine of Cleves, the countess of Eu and second daughter of the Duc du Nevers.

1564:

Spain founds San Miguel in the Philippines. Spanish and French colonists encounter each other in North America and, after an initial battle, the French defeat the Spanish and destroy their colony. Emperor Ferdinand II dies, leaving his throne to Maxmilian II, who continues to struggle with the issues of religion. King Henry II of France moves against the main Huguenot threat, arresting Queen Jeanne of Navarre for treason, and setting off a massive outflow of Huguenot refugees to North America. The Duke of Orleans is admitted to the Order of the Garter.

1565:

Queen Jeanne of Navarre is executed on the orders of King Henry II. Her holdings will remain under French occupation for seven years, after which they will be incorporated into the French crown. Her twelve-year-old son, Henry, is adopted by the King and made Duke of Lorraine. Spain is opposed and declares war on France. Queen Mary of England and Scotland takes ill during the birth of her last child and comes close to death. She will recover, but with a shortened life span. King Edward VI joins the war against Spain.

1566:

The Ottoman Empire farewells its longest-serving ruler, Suleyman the Magnificent. He is replaced by Sultan Selim III, who announces his intention to remain at peace with the Hapsburgs. Henry II of France is devastated by the loss of his mistress, Diane de Poitiers.

1567:

The Dauphin is killed on the battlefield outside Barcelona. King Edward VI leads the battle to capture the city of Cadiz, forcing King Philip II to, once again, seek peace. As part of the treaty, Spain agrees to cede all North American territory south of 37 degrees latitude to France and all territory north of 33 degrees latitude to England, leaving it only an area around OTL North Carolina. France breaks down into civil war, with the Valois, Bourbon and Guise families each leading a faction. King Edward VI convinces the Bourbon to ally with the Valois to destroy the "old Catholicism".

1568:

A series of deaths in the Spanish royal family leaves Philip II only one heir, a two-year-old female, Infanta Isabella. She is betrothed to Rudolf, her second cousin and the eldest son of Maxmilian II, hinting at the reunification of the Hapsburg lands. To offset tensions with the Netherlands over English involvement in the French civil war, King Edward VI appoints William the Silent of Nassau as the first native-born Lord Lieutenant of the Netherlands. He also visits the territory with his eight-year-old heir, Prince Henry. During his absence, there is an attempted uprising in Scotland designed to create a Calvinist state. It fails.

1569:

Dowager Queen Anne of England, second wife of Henry VIII and mother of King Edward VI, dies in London. It goes unnoticed that her former lady-in-waiting, Jane Seymour, also dies this year. Suspicious of the actions of the Spanish Navy, King Edward orders his fleet to intervene if they approach the French coast. They encounter each other off Brittany and, as the navy has been expanded to deal with the Irish rebels, it is capable of dealing a deadly blow to the Spanish fleet. British troops land in Spain and take La Coruna, which they pledge to hold as a containment measure, and return when France is at peace. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is formed.

1570:

After three years of war, France returns to a civil society with a victory for the incumbent royal house and the routing of the House of Guise. There will be religious conflict for the next thirty years, but it will not again tip into full war. Despite the peace, English troops refuse to return La Coruna, but the French are unwilling to tempt fate and marry the Dauphin to Elizabeth of Austria as a symbol of truce. The union will give birth to a daughter. The Ottoman Empire occupy Cyprus.

1571:

England and Spain declare war.

1572:

The Duke of Norfolk, concerned about England's war with Spain, attempts to depose Edward VI and is executed. However, it seems there is no need for concern as English, Scot and Dutch troops capture the city of Grenada. The continuation of the war requires more concessions to the Netherlands, who, like England and Scotland, receive their own parliament, the States-General. Sigismund II dies and is replaced by Archduke Ernest of Austria.

1573:

King Philip II surrenders unconditionally and abdicates in favour of Rudolf, King of Hungary. French annexation of Navarre is recognised, as is English control of Cadiz, Malaga, Granada and La Coruna. The rise of English power is beginning to limit French enthusiasm for the continuation of the alliance, now nearing its fortieth year. It will lessen further when King Rudolf is forced to sell the Azores to England to pay back the heavy borrowing that typified the reign of Philip II. King Ernest of Poland-Lithuania is married to Anna Jagellion.

1574:

Murad III succeeds to the throne of the Ottoman Empire.

1575:

King Rudolf signs a treaty of peace and friendship with King Edward VI, pledging Maxmilian, Archduke of Austria, to the Princess Royal, Elizabeth. The long-serving Duke of Flanders finally dies in Edinburgh. His third son, the Marquess of Hamilton, takes his office and, like his predecessor, will neglect to travel to Ghent (though he will eventually retire there in 1605).

1576:

King Rudolf of Spain becomes Holy Roman Emperor.

1577:

Francis Drake leaves England to commence his circumnavigation of the world. He will claim the western coast of North America for England during his travels while Martin Frobisher is claiming OTL eastern Canada.

1578:

Queen Mary of Scotland dies. The death of King Sebastian of Portugal encourages Spain to invade. France and England are both heavily dependent upon the Portuguese merchant fleet and are forced to defend their interests, once again going to war with the Hapsburgs. The war between Europe's two blocs will last for thirteen years and will only end when the Holy Roman Empire revolts. King Henry I of Scotland is betrothed to Countess Emilia of Nassau.

1580:

The return of Sir Francis Drake.

1581:

The parliaments of England, Scotland and the Netherlands outlaw allegiance to the Pope and the practice of Roman Catholicism.

1583:

The first English settlement is made in the New World on the island of Newfoundland. Prince Henry and Princess Emilia of the Netherlands have a son, William (William III, r.1617-1641). Other children will be Mary (b.1587) and Anne (b.1590).

1584:

England establishes an illegal colony in Spanish-claimed territory in North Carolina. This does not appear to have been intentional, but due to confusion over cartography.

1585:

France withdraws from the war in defence of Portugal's independence in return for a status quo ante. Britain and Spain will continue to fight for dominance.

1587:

Catherine Culpepper (OTL Catherine Howard) dies.

1588:

Catherine of Braganza is installed as the Queen of Portugal after England defeats Spanish troops and establishes itself as the predominant power of Europe. She will reign until 1614.

1589:

King Henry II of France and his wife, Catherine de Medici, both pass away, leaving the throne to King Henry III (r.1589-1621). The new King renounces all experimentations with tolerance. With the defeat in Portugal, Rudolf I of Spain/II of the Holy Roman Empire faces revolts against his rule.

1591:

Rudolf abdicates and signs a peace treaty with England.

1595:

King Ernest of Poland-Lithuania dies and is replaced by his brother, Maxmilian, husband of Elizabeth, daughter of King Edward VI. She will modify Polish support for the Counterreformation.

1600:

King Edward VI the Great dies after fifty-two years on the throne. His son becomes Emperor King Henry IX. In three generations, his family has gone from minor nobility to rulers of much of Europe. In twenty years, France will have a King Henry IV and England et al. will have King William IV, both of them the great-grandsons of King Henry VIII.
 
...This is beautiful - just the sort of thing I'm trying with my Tudor TL (which now feels like a Jackson Pollock next to the Mona Lisa). Are you planning to continue it, or will you end it here?
 
Elizabeth I

Did'nt Anne really detest Princess Mary? The legitimacy of Mary was doubtful since Henry had maitained that his marriage to Catharine was invalid. Why does Edward VI live in this timeline?
 
Did'nt Anne really detest Princess Mary? The legitimacy of Mary was doubtful since Henry had maitained that his marriage to Catharine was invalid. Why does Edward VI live in this timeline?

Anne got Henry to reinstate Mary into the succession in OTL.

And *Edward VI is TTL's version of Elizabeth I. :p
 
I presume that he is Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, this being the nearest available empire.

Either that or the newly proclaimed Britannic Empire (the kingdoms of England and Scotland, the Principality of the Netherlands, the Dominions of Wales and Ireland)
 
Either that or the newly proclaimed Britannic Empire (the kingdoms of England and Scotland, the Principality of the Netherlands, the Dominions of Wales and Ireland)

I'm sorry, but:

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Elizabeth

What role do the Boleyns play in this scenario, since they are the king's closest relatives?
 
Henry IX is his Britannic Majesty, Emperor, King of England (incl. Flanders), Scotland (by inheritance from his mother), Ireland (the rebellion is crushed), Wales, Netherlands, Galicia, Grenada, as well as Nova Albion. The French have done well too, with Savoy, Genoa, Navarre, Luxembourg and Lorraine. The big losers are obviously the Hapsburgs.

Glad to have the pouring out of support. If someone wants to continue this Tudor-wank, feel free. I have to get back to my Soviet timeline, and was doing this as a diversion. BTW, I love Jackson Pollock while I like Leonardo da Vinci, despite the fundamental difference in price tags.

Anne's family would also have done well from this deal. Presumably her brother, George would have inherited the earldoms of Wiltshire and Ormonde, as well as being Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports. Lady Mary Carey (the Queen's sister) would probably never have been promoted, due to her sordid reputation, but I can foresee that her son, Henry Carey, would not have had the same problem once his mother was dead (d.1543), particularly given that he was most likely an illegitimate son of Henry VIII. And, of course, they were related to the Norfolks, who did well in TTL, holding the Lord Chancellorship for fourteen years.

On the Mary question, she would have posed even less threat in TTL than in OTL, and, as stated above, Anne wanted a reconciliation. An angry Mary is a long-term threat to her child.
 
BTW, the respective dynasties are for easy reference are:

ENGLAND/BRITAIN:

Henry VIII (r.1509-1548), spouses: Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn
Edward VI (r.1548-1600), spouse: Mary I, Queen of Scotland
Henry IX (r.1600-1617), spouse: Emilia of Nassau
William IV (r.1617-1634), spouse: Princess Augusta of Denmark-Norway
Willliam V (r.1634-1658), spouse: (?)

FRANCE:

Francis I (r.1515-1547), spouse, Claude of France
Henry II (r.1547-1589), spouse, Catherine de Medici
Henry III (r.1589-1621), spouse, (?) no surviving children
Henry IV (r.1621-?), spouse, (?)
 
Utterly cool!

But some nits to pick.

1568: William the Silent wasn't born in the Netherlands, but in Nassau-Dillenburg, in todays Rhineland-Palatinate.
At age 11 he inherited the ancient title Prince of Orange and vast estates in the Netherlands.
The emperor himself was his regent.

1572: The States-General of the Netherlands were established in 1464 by the Duke of Burgundy, who was Lord of the Netherlands at the time.

The Burgundy lands were inherited by the Habsburgs, and Charles V united them in personal union, including Flanders and Artois, originally French fiefs, but sovereignty over them was ceded to the Empire in the Treaty of Cambrai in 1529.
So Flanders was a integral part of the Netherlands when conquered, they speak Dutch, and it is closer to Brussels then London.
It makes more sense to integrate it in the Principality.
 
Utterly cool!

But some nits to pick.

1568: William the Silent wasn't born in the Netherlands, but in Nassau-Dillenburg, in todays Rhineland-Palatinate.
At age 11 he inherited the ancient title Prince of Orange and vast estates in the Netherlands.
The emperor himself was his regent.

1572: The States-General of the Netherlands were established in 1464 by the Duke of Burgundy, who was Lord of the Netherlands at the time.

The Burgundy lands were inherited by the Habsburgs, and Charles V united them in personal union, including Flanders and Artois, originally French fiefs, but sovereignty over them was ceded to the Empire in the Treaty of Cambrai in 1529.
So Flanders was a integral part of the Netherlands when conquered, they speak Dutch, and it is closer to Brussels then London.
It makes more sense to integrate it in the Principality.

Thanks for the info on William the Silent. I didn't investigate him thoroughly enough - was just looking for a Dutch aristocrat to stick in the job of Lord Lieutenant. Do you think he would still have been an OK pick?

I was aware that the States-General was around prior to 1572, but I was trying to establish that they had been given some level of autonomy that didn't exist previously. So that should probably read something along the lines of: "The States General was empowered to be equal to the English Parliament" or such like.

The reason why I excluded Flanders and made it a possession of England was that King Henry VIII had fought in Flanders and regarded himself as the "Conqueror of Cambrai" from an expedition in the mid-1520's. To reclaim all of Flanders would be personal to him in a way that the rest of the Netherlands would not.
 
I see.
Thanks for the info on William the Silent. I didn't investigate him thoroughly enough - was just looking for a Dutch aristocrat to stick in the job of Lord Lieutenant. Do you think he would still have been an OK pick?
Hard to say, you changed most of his life. :D
In OTL he grew up as a protégé of the emperor, in ATL his position is much less clear.
We don't even know whether he is a Catholic or a Lutheran.
Without the Spanish oppression who knows what path he would have chosen.

He was very rich, one of the wealthiest men in Europe, high-born, and an innate politician.
(Legend has it that he got his nickname for talking plenty without ever committing to anything.)

Pragmatism would probably have led him to be loyal to the English crown, most of his possessions are under English rule and apparently local nobility and people are respected.
If the English king can trust him he could be extremely useful.
 
This is a timeline that I began working on some time ago, due to suggestion by another poster (can't recall who).

1533:

Queen Consort Anne of England, Marchioness of Pembroke and the second wife of King Henry VIII, gives birth to a son on 17 September. The child is named Edward, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Chester.

1536:

The former Queen, Katherine of Aragon, dies, allowing reconciliation between the two families of King Henry VIII. Due to the intervention of Queen Anne, the Lady Mary is once again recognised as a legitimate Princess and Marchioness of Calais. Queen Anne spent a considerable part of her life in France and encourages her husband to build an alliance with the Valois Dynasty. Princess Mary is betrothed to Charles, Duc d'Orleans, third son of King Francis I of France. Part of the Pale of Calais is to be her dowry, as Calais is ecclesiastically part of France and poses a long term problem for reaching a religious settlement in England.

Why does Henry VIII form an alliance with the French that he does not OTL? I don't think that his strategic situation has changed at all, though his domestic situation will allow him to focus more time and energy on that favorite English Royal pursuit, pointless waging war in France.

Henry VIII implements the Six Articles, shutting down the most corrupt of the monasteries. The settlement is not as reformist as OTL, and is opposed by Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer. The Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Essex, Thomas Cromwell is aware of Cranmer's weak point: his marriage. He reveals his knowledge to Henry VIII, who sends Cranmer to the block for treason. This action, undercutting one of the Queen's favourites, makes the Queen and Lord Chancellor bitter enemies.

Why is it not as reformist? If anything, with Anne as the Queen whose borne a son, her and her much more Protestant views would if anything pull England more over towards "real" Protestantism, rather than Henry's Catholic Church with a different head.

Princess Mary is wed, at the age of twenty-three, becoming the daughter-in-law of the King of France. She will have two children: Francis, Duc d'Orleans (b.1541) and Charles, Duc d'Chatellerault (b.1543). At the time of their birth, they will be third and fourth in line to the English throne. Eighty years on, Mary's grandson will succeed to the throne as King Henry IV of France. She supports the general French policy of persecuting Huguenots.

Right. I have to say that we are dealing with the Henry VIII, the man who killed a couple wives in pursuit of a son and decided to hijack the Church along the way. I just can't picture him allowing his daughter to just marry the Crown Prince of France. Plus, Mary is illegitimate, so why would the Dauphin marry him?

The Italian Wars once again break out between the Franco-Ottoman alliance and the Holy Roman Empire. France is supported by Florence and Milan.

1543:

King Henry VIII and James Hamilton, Earl of Arras and Regent of Scotland, sign the Treaty of Greenwich, under which the infant Queen Mary I is betrothed to Prince Edward of Wales. King Francis I has his daughter-in-law approach her father for his support in the war against the Holy Roman Empire and Henry VIII commits English troops. The mother of Queen Mary, Maria of Guise, opposes the marriage and, ultimately, she will be forced to leave Scotland and settle in a convent in France.

I don't really see this either. What does Henry have to gain from warring against the Hapsburgs? They don't have anything that he wants or even has a good claim to. Now France on the other hand, like I said before, the pursuit of English Kings for centuries, conquering land in France.

As the costs of the war in Europe escalate, King Henry VIII steps up his closure of the monasteries. When this results in a popular backlash, Queen Anne convinces her husband that his Lord Chancellor is the one who should bear responsibility and Thomas Cromwell goes to the executioner's block. The new Lord Chancellor is the Earl of Southampton. The costs are also tight for King Francis I, who decides to imitate his neighbour and nationalise the assets of the Catholic Church, while still declaring nil tolerance for Calvinists and Lutherans. With the English capture of most of the Low Counties, Henry VIII decides to use the opportunity to undercut support for the Duke of Norfolk. His brother-in-law, the Earl of Sussex, is appointed to Ghent as Lord Lieutenant of Flanders. Baroness Catherine Seymour of Sudeley (OTL Catherine Parr) dies in childbirth.

Why? In England there were really good reasons for seizing the monasteries. They mainly had to do with tying the aristocracy to the Tudor Dynasty. The Tudors had a really really weak claim to the throne, and the takeover of the Church gave Henry VIII a way to tie the aristocracy to the throne. By giving Church land to the nobility, he was making sure that they maintained a long-term interest in his family (and it religious policy) staying on the throne.

Pope Paul III invites the nations of England and France to attend the Ecumenical Council of Bologna, in an attempt to find a way to deal with the splintering of the Church. However, his refusal to recognise them as respective leaders of their national churches means that both monarchs refuse to send anyone on their behalf.

If the Pope is asking them to attend, and they have changed nothing from the actual theology of their churches, then what do they have to lose from attending? They could probably maintain control over their respective churches (as the French Kings OTL ended up being able to do) and get Papal approval of it.

A truce is reached in the war. England remains in control of the Netherlands, whose people are grateful for the end of a terrible Inquisition and support the liberation. France annexes Luxembourg and Lorraine.

Because England and France obviously had the military strength to be able to conquer large pieces of the Holy Roman Empire. Cause the French did so well in Italy, they would do just as well going toward the Rhine, right?

King Francis I dies, leaving the throne to his son, who succeeds as King Henry II. He will reign for forty two years, one of the many long-reigning Valois kings. King Henry VIII enters his final illness. Emperor Charles V invades Saxony to cease the territory being used as a base for Lutheran heresy.

Ah the breakaway province of Saxony. Why did they break away again?

In gratitude for his services, Henry VIII elevates the Earl of Arran to the Order of the Garter and makes him Duke of Flanders on the condition that he will remain in Scotland as Regent. Queen Mary is, however, sent to London to be protected and raised away from the influence of her mother. Late in the year, King Henry VIII dies. He is succeeded by King Edward VI.

The Scots obviously wouldn't revolt with their Queen in London and their Regent in the pocket of the English.

The English regency council has come to be dominated by the Dowager Queen Anne and the Earl of Southampton. There are concerns that the Dutch may use the opportunity to rebel against English rule and the Council forces an oath on the Dutch leadership to loyally support the claim of their "true and sovereign King" and recognise the incorporation of Flanders. In return, they are granted taxation concessions and a less intrusive government. In London, the imprisoned Bishop Gardiner is released and returned to his see. There is an attempt by Protestants to strengthen the reforms in the Anglican Church, causing uprisings both for and against the action. The Regency Council is forced to back down and retain much of the Catholic symbolism. In France, Marguerite de Navarre, who has done much to contain potential religious intolerance, dies.

The boy is now 16, he could have been ruling in his own name for at last 2 years. There would be no need to have a regency Council. Furthermore, the Dutch, if they felt like independence (and I have the feeling that they would) would be able to handle the English relatively easily. But like I stated previously I don't believe that this situation could have happened in the first place.

King Edward VI declares his majority, dismissing the Earl of Southampton. He elevates Viscount Lisle to the position of Duke of Northumberland and makes him his first Lord Chancellor.

1551:

War breaks out once again between France and the Holy Roman Empire, with France taking the advantage of Lutheran uprisings that are already threatening Charles V and look like plunging the empire into civil war. The youthful King Edward VI joins in the conflict.

1552:

Emperor Charles V makes an edict of tolerance, granting freedom to Protestants within the empire.

1553:

English forces capture Cambrai and Liege, while the French take Verdun and Toul. The French army invades the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, threatening to overthrow Cosimo de Medici.

Why?

Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy and a loyal support of the Holy Roman Empire, is killed in battle in northern Italy. The title and the lands will fall to France and be granted to Jacques, Duc de Nemours, in return for his loyalty to the Valois over the Guise family, who support reconciliation with the Vatican. Edward Courtney is appointed Earl of Devon and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, with order to enforce English rule. While the oppression of the Irish will be successful ultimately, but will take all of Edward's reign, with the last rebels pacified the year before his death. Mary of Guise, now in France, begins to push for an end to the alliance between England and France.

I'm glad to see that Mary Guise is trying to make sure that the decades long boon of pro-French English stupidity ends.

King Edward VI of England and Queen Mary I of Scotland, both resident in London, agree to marry in three years. Mary has spent over half her life in England and barely remembers her homeland, which is now under de facto English control. Peace talks open between the combatants in the war in Europe after the fall of Tuscany.

Well again, the Scots obviously sit submissively during the long decades of English rule.

Saxony leaves the Holy Roman Empire, after a successful rebellion. As a result, Emperor Charles V abdicates, leaving the throne to Ferdinand I, who will sign the treaty of peace with France. It will be the last conflict between the two powers. However, the throne of Spain is left to King Philip II, who is betrothed to Elizabeth de Valois, the daughter of King Henry II and Catherine de Medici, as part of the peace settlement. Over the last seven years, the boom in English-Flemish trade has led to a great level of prosperity, and their reliance upon the Portuguese merchant fleet has helped to build Lisbon into a power in its own right.

1557:

Philip II of Spain launches a surprise attack against France. The conflict will drag on for two years without resolution, but will eventually end when the English and the Ottomans once again threaten to intervene. The Duchess of Lorraine (OTL Anne of Cleves) dies.

FOR WHAT?!?!?! Even Kings need reasons to go to war. Reasons like, I don't know, territorial disputes.

Edward VI and Mary I are wed in Westminster Abbey, uniting the two kingdoms under the Tudor Dynasty. Wales, Ireland and the Netherlands remain crown dominions. The Dowager Duchess of Orleans dies on her way to England for her brother's wedding and is buried in Calais. There is also a funeral in France, with the death of Dowager Queen Eleanor. Dowager Queen Anne of England travels to Paris for the funeral. Reminded of her youth in France and now isolated from power in London, she decides to spend time in Paris in the apartments of Queen Catherine and will live there for two years before returning for the birth of her first grandson. The first cousin of Dowager Queen Anne, the Duke of Norfolk, becomes the new Lord Chancellor, and will remain in that office until he attempts a palace coup many years later.

1559:

Queen Mary of England and Scotland gives birth to the Princess Elizabeth, while the royal family loses Frances Brandon, the King's cousin. King Henry II attempts to control the increasing instability in France by issuing a proclamation empowering him to define and seek out heresy, with the ambition of bringing down the Guise family. The destruction of the Spanish fleet by the Ottomans off Djerba leaves Philip II heavily indebted to Italian bankers and forces him to surrender the protectorate of Tunis. He settles for peace, especially after his first colonisation expedition to North America fails.

1560:

King Edward VI proudly announces the birth of his heir, Prince Henry, who will succeed him as King Henry IX (1600-17). To tie the Netherlands further into his realm, the King declares that Netherlands will replace Wales as the crown principality. The Union Flag is raised; however, Scotland and England will remain separate states. Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire signs a treaty with France and England to end his westward expansion to obtain recognition for his conquest of the Barbary States. Maria of Guise dies.

1561:

Heavy taxes in Spain lead to difficult social conditions and there is an attempt to assassinate King Sebastian I of Portugal. There is a commitment between Edward VI and Henry II to defend Portugal from any Spanish attack. After St Paul's Cathedral is struck by lightning and burnt by fire, King Edward interprets the act as a strike against those who oppose his Church. There is a purge of Calvinists and Protestants. A new Italianate cathedral will be constructed, completed in 1575.

1562:

Queen Mary gives birth to three more children. They are: Anne (b.1562, died in infancy); Edward (b.1564, d.1625) and Mary (b.1565, d.1627). The Duke of Guise, uncle to Queen Mary, is arrested and executed in France for treason; his plan has been to depose the King and restore the "true Catholic faith". Scotland receives its own parliament and James, Earl of Moray, the Queen's half brother, become Lord Chancellor of Scotland. A large number of Huguenots, sensing the rising tension in France, begin to make their way to North America. The Duc de Vendome send his son (OTL Henry IV of France) to Paris, hoping to avoid dragging his son into the coming conflict between the reformers, radicals and conservatives in France.

1563:

Huguenot refugees establish the settlement of Caroline on the banks of May River (OTL Jacksonville, Florida), the oldest European city in North America. Small farms spread out along the coastline, despite it having been claimed by Spain. Francis, Duke of Orleans and nephew to King Edward, marries Catherine of Cleves, the countess of Eu and second daughter of the Duc du Nevers.

1564:

Spain founds San Miguel in the Philippines. Spanish and French colonists encounter each other in North America and, after an initial battle, the French defeat the Spanish and destroy their colony. Emperor Ferdinand II dies, leaving his throne to Maxmilian II, who continues to struggle with the issues of religion. King Henry II of France moves against the main Huguenot threat, arresting Queen Jeanne of Navarre for treason, and setting off a massive outflow of Huguenot refugees to North America. The Duke of Orleans is admitted to the Order of the Garter.

1565:

Queen Jeanne of Navarre is executed on the orders of King Henry II. Her holdings will remain under French occupation for seven years, after which they will be incorporated into the French crown. Her twelve-year-old son, Henry, is adopted by the King and made Duke of Lorraine. Spain is opposed and declares war on France. Queen Mary of England and Scotland takes ill during the birth of her last child and comes close to death. She will recover, but with a shortened life span. King Edward VI joins the war against Spain.

1566:

The Ottoman Empire farewells its longest-serving ruler, Suleyman the Magnificent. He is replaced by Sultan Selim III, who announces his intention to remain at peace with the Hapsburgs. Henry II of France is devastated by the loss of his mistress, Diane de Poitiers.

1567:

The Dauphin is killed on the battlefield outside Barcelona. King Edward VI leads the battle to capture the city of Cadiz, forcing King Philip II to, once again, seek peace. As part of the treaty, Spain agrees to cede all North American territory south of 37 degrees latitude to France and all territory north of 33 degrees latitude to England, leaving it only an area around OTL North Carolina. France breaks down into civil war, with the Valois, Bourbon and Guise families each leading a faction. King Edward VI convinces the Bourbon to ally with the Valois to destroy the "old Catholicism".

1568:

A series of deaths in the Spanish royal family leaves Philip II only one heir, a two-year-old female, Infanta Isabella. She is betrothed to Rudolf, her second cousin and the eldest son of Maxmilian II, hinting at the reunification of the Hapsburg lands. To offset tensions with the Netherlands over English involvement in the French civil war, King Edward VI appoints William the Silent of Nassau as the first native-born Lord Lieutenant of the Netherlands. He also visits the territory with his eight-year-old heir, Prince Henry. During his absence, there is an attempted uprising in Scotland designed to create a Calvinist state. It fails.

1569:

Dowager Queen Anne of England, second wife of Henry VIII and mother of King Edward VI, dies in London. It goes unnoticed that her former lady-in-waiting, Jane Seymour, also dies this year. Suspicious of the actions of the Spanish Navy, King Edward orders his fleet to intervene if they approach the French coast. They encounter each other off Brittany and, as the navy has been expanded to deal with the Irish rebels, it is capable of dealing a deadly blow to the Spanish fleet. British troops land in Spain and take La Coruna, which they pledge to hold as a containment measure, and return when France is at peace. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is formed.

1570:

After three years of war, France returns to a civil society with a victory for the incumbent royal house and the routing of the House of Guise. There will be religious conflict for the next thirty years, but it will not again tip into full war. Despite the peace, English troops refuse to return La Coruna, but the French are unwilling to tempt fate and marry the Dauphin to Elizabeth of Austria as a symbol of truce. The union will give birth to a daughter. The Ottoman Empire occupy Cyprus.

1571:

England and Spain declare war.

1572:

The Duke of Norfolk, concerned about England's war with Spain, attempts to depose Edward VI and is executed. However, it seems there is no need for concern as English, Scot and Dutch troops capture the city of Grenada. The continuation of the war requires more concessions to the Netherlands, who, like England and Scotland, receive their own parliament, the States-General. Sigismund II dies and is replaced by Archduke Ernest of Austria.

1573:

King Philip II surrenders unconditionally and abdicates in favour of Rudolf, King of Hungary. French annexation of Navarre is recognised, as is English control of Cadiz, Malaga, Granada and La Coruna. The rise of English power is beginning to limit French enthusiasm for the continuation of the alliance, now nearing its fortieth year. It will lessen further when King Rudolf is forced to sell the Azores to England to pay back the heavy borrowing that typified the reign of Philip II. King Ernest of Poland-Lithuania is married to Anna Jagellion.

1574:

Murad III succeeds to the throne of the Ottoman Empire.

1575:

King Rudolf signs a treaty of peace and friendship with King Edward VI, pledging Maxmilian, Archduke of Austria, to the Princess Royal, Elizabeth. The long-serving Duke of Flanders finally dies in Edinburgh. His third son, the Marquess of Hamilton, takes his office and, like his predecessor, will neglect to travel to Ghent (though he will eventually retire there in 1605).

1576:

King Rudolf of Spain becomes Holy Roman Emperor.

1577:

Francis Drake leaves England to commence his circumnavigation of the world. He will claim the western coast of North America for England during his travels while Martin Frobisher is claiming OTL eastern Canada.

1578:

Queen Mary of Scotland dies. The death of King Sebastian of Portugal encourages Spain to invade. France and England are both heavily dependent upon the Portuguese merchant fleet and are forced to defend their interests, once again going to war with the Hapsburgs. The war between Europe's two blocs will last for thirteen years and will only end when the Holy Roman Empire revolts. King Henry I of Scotland is betrothed to Countess Emilia of Nassau.

1580:

The return of Sir Francis Drake.

1581:

The parliaments of England, Scotland and the Netherlands outlaw allegiance to the Pope and the practice of Roman Catholicism.

1583:

The first English settlement is made in the New World on the island of Newfoundland. Prince Henry and Princess Emilia of the Netherlands have a son, William (William III, r.1617-1641). Other children will be Mary (b.1587) and Anne (b.1590).

1584:

England establishes an illegal colony in Spanish-claimed territory in North Carolina. This does not appear to have been intentional, but due to confusion over cartography.

1585:

France withdraws from the war in defence of Portugal's independence in return for a status quo ante. Britain and Spain will continue to fight for dominance.

1587:

Catherine Culpepper (OTL Catherine Howard) dies.

1588:

Catherine of Braganza is installed as the Queen of Portugal after England defeats Spanish troops and establishes itself as the predominant power of Europe. She will reign until 1614.

1589:

King Henry II of France and his wife, Catherine de Medici, both pass away, leaving the throne to King Henry III (r.1589-1621). The new King renounces all experimentations with tolerance. With the defeat in Portugal, Rudolf I of Spain/II of the Holy Roman Empire faces revolts against his rule.

1591:

Rudolf abdicates and signs a peace treaty with England.

1595:

King Ernest of Poland-Lithuania dies and is replaced by his brother, Maxmilian, husband of Elizabeth, daughter of King Edward VI. She will modify Polish support for the Counterreformation.

1600:

King Edward VI the Great dies after fifty-two years on the throne. His son becomes Emperor King Henry IX. In three generations, his family has gone from minor nobility to rulers of much of Europe. In twenty years, France will have a King Henry IV and England et al. will have King William IV, both of them the great-grandsons of King Henry VIII.

I really don't think that very much of this is at all plausible. If you could explain your reasoning, maybe I'll start agreeing with you. So please, convince me.
 
I am making a few assumptions about the psychology of the characters. I think, later in his life, Henry VIII would have taken the opportunity to repair the relationship with France. It had been his initial foreign policy as a young king to seek reconciliation with France to stand against the perceived greater threat of Suleiman and the Ottoman Empire. The title of "Defender of the Faith" is one that he obviously took very seriously and, in this matter, he would have seen himself as a prince of Christendom.

I believe that, with the heir secure and with him matured (by this time, he would be in his earlier forties), he would have realised that Wolsey and his divorce had pissed nearly everybody off, and the French were causing trouble up north in his own backyard. Plus, I think that Anne's influence would have been far greater in TTL. Having had a father as a diplomat, she would have been well-versed in statecraft. I suspect that Henry had destroyed her relationship with the Earl of Northumberland on the instigation of her sister, Mary, who was a regular for the king and his esquire for a while, then felt guilty about doing so after he stopped doing the horizontal folk dance. And Anne wanted recognition from France, where she grew up, on her marriage. And for Henry, the blessing of a son would confirm to him that he had done the right thing, psychologically impacting his straying habits (though probably not eliminating them), allowing a more peaceful marriage. It might even have been possible that Anne would have borne the 1534 child if she hadn't been aware of her husband's blatant dalliances.

Reformism

After the mess of the divorce, but with a secure marriage now on him, I think he would have had greater confidence in the Acts in Restraint of Appeal, and would have prevented the Ten Articles, making takes the whole issue back to what it actually was, a declaration of England's independence from Rome. Henry didn't want to change doctrine; he wanted to move the locus of power from the Vatican to the Palace.

Mary

With Katherine of Aragon dead, you could pass a law making her legitimate again and putting her into the line of succession. After all, that is what Henry did in OTL anyway with the Third Succession Act. Plus, putting Mary into the French line of succession works; it gives the dynasty credibility as well. Both she and the Duke were "spares" (Mary is not marrying the Dauphin) and the Tudors were ones for making marriage alliances. For Francis, the possibility that his sons will be kings of England and France if the little blighter across the channel dies.

The Monasteries

Yes, admittedly, it was an engineered political crisis. Why was Henry VIII creating that crisis? Because he needed to buy off the uproar about the changes in doctrine, which he never really supported in the first place and thought was necessary because no son had thrown himself and thus God must be angry with him. Plus, Jane Seymour was much more the Protestant than Anne Boleyn. so the crisis may not have occurred this time around at all, but Henry would have kept the monasteries idea on the backburner for future capital raising, and I have him doing exactly that. Cromwell would have kept pushing and, when it goes unpopular, there is no Cromwell around to confirm or deny anything that was said because he's been the "fall guy".

Re: 1545

By this stage, both Henry and Francis certainly weren't going to insist upon the money back and I doubt that Pope Paul would be happy with nothing less than a kiss on the ring.

War against Charles V

What's the use of maintaining an allied military if you aren't going to use it to back the biggest bully on the block, Charles V? Because Charles V has been busy with England and France, he doesn't have the equipment to deal with Saxony, which was a hotbed of Lutheranism, and the much of the territory surrendered by the Emperor belonged to the Electors of Saxony.

I can't answer all your complaints in one message, because I need a break from typing, but I'll get back to you on the rest.
 
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