Earlier Permanent Settlement of New France

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I'm not sure if it's been stated, but which colonies etc remained with the monarchy, and which went to the republic?
The population of New France must be in the millions now, and OTL population of France was around 20 million at the time of the revolution?

It's interesting to see how this affects colonial sentiment in the british colonies; with New France still around they have a boogeyman to rally around. But will it remain so if England and New France are on most amicable terms?

Keep up the wonderful work!
 
Looks like the King is settling in Canada for good. I suppose this limits the chances of a Great Crusade across the Atlantic.

Well, the king still have pockets of royalist resistance in France to use as beachheads. I hope to see a big showdown of Napoleonic proportions in Vendée or Brittany.

I'm not sure if it's been stated, but which colonies etc remained with the monarchy, and which went to the republic?

Probably most of them or even all, because the Navy and the colonial government are in royalist hands.
 
Well, the king still have pockets of royalist resistance in France to use as beachheads. I hope to see a big showdown of Napoleonic proportions in Vendée or Brittany.

I think that if Louis XVI focuses on merely securing those resistance pockets, all he has to do is wait out the metropole. The future of the French is definitely in North America, where New France is destined to become a colossus, with its Indian and other Asian interests being controlled with relative ease via a Pacific merchant fleet and navy. The opportunity to seize South Africa is ripe in the event of the Republic taking over Holland, too. France proper cannot sustain itself with its current conscription policies and so on. A full re-conquest of the Metropole by Louis XVII or his successor is certainly reasonable in time.

Probably most of them or even all, because the Navy and the colonial government are in royalist hands.

A greatly increased military recruitment from within New France could probably help shore up and even expand the colonies. There doesn't seem to be any reason why the navy shouldn't continue to grow.


Viriato, has Louis XVI learned his lesson regarding the Estates General and taxation? It seems like a constitutional reform would be fruitful in America, with representative houses of nobles, clergy, and merchants answering to an hereditary executive. I could see a sort of monarchical republic. The age of absolutism seems to have passed and I think that even the Bourbons must recognize this but would see the wisdom of getting ahead of it as best they can. And Louis XVI of all men, despite being indecisive and weak-willed during his time OTL as ruler of France, was actually quite open-minded and generous, with an especial personal interest in science, mechanics, engineering, and exploration. The ultraroyalist reactionary tone of the Legitimist party OTL seems like it simply would not develop if both Louis XVI and XVII survived. One probable effect of this would be less radical polarization of liberals, as well. Lots of exciting possibilities here. The idea of the French monarchy overlapping with much of the historical and geopolitical role of the United States is fascinating, though of course the state would be quite conservative and Catholic (not bitterly zealous, though, I imagine). I think some of the biggest butterflies we would see in this TL would be in the development of 19th century philosophy and beyond.
 
Just a thought, but is there a Chicago in this timeline? It seems like a town located at the site of Chicago would still fulfill it's OTL role as the bridge between the agricultural goods of the interior and the eastern ports via the Great Lakes. In fact, it seems like a natural eventual location for a capital. Warmer than Quebec, centrally located, with access by boat to both Quebec and New Orleans. Obviously it's hard to get to by the TL's contemporary transportation capabilities, though.

Also, what's going on in Oceania? A French Australia administered from North America is plausible and interesting. Never been done, as far as I can tell.
 
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I'm not sure if it's been stated, but which colonies etc remained with the monarchy, and which went to the republic?
The population of New France must be in the millions now, and OTL population of France was around 20 million at the time of the revolution?

It's interesting to see how this affects colonial sentiment in the british colonies; with New France still around they have a boogeyman to rally around. But will it remain so if England and New France are on most amicable terms?

Keep up the wonderful work!

France was close to 30 million people in its 1789 boundaries.

And a royalist New France separated from metropolitan France by revolutionary bad blood would have lost much of its bogeyman apparatus, although still a hardly tolerable obstacle for the land hungry anglo-saxon settlers of the 13 colonies.
 
Saving the French Empire
After losing his control over France, Louis XVI was determined to remain in control over his vast domains overseas. Though the king had managed to transfer his court to his largest dominion, this by no means assured control over the rest of his territories. Before the revolution, France's territories consisted in the Mediterranean of the Kingdom of Morea, the Duchy of Candia, the Island of Corsica and the Kingdom of Egypt. With the exception of Corsica, that had been purchased from the Republic of Genoa, all had been acquired during the 18th century though conquest from the Ottoman Empire. In Corsica, insurgent activity against the French had been ongoing since 1768, while in Egypt the French maintained a large army of occupation, and the territory had not been full pacified by 1793.

The Kingdom of Morea under the Ottoman administration taxation had been lenient and the efficacy of the French bureaucracy had made their rule amongst the Kingdom's 200,000 inhabitants. In Crete, where one-third of the island's 200,000 inhabitants were Turks the French government had implemented policies favouring the Turkish minority in an attempt to control the Greek majority. Additionally, efforts to impose control by the Catholic Church over Orthodox churches had made French rule unpopular. As a result, by 1791 Morea was in open rebellion against the Kingdom of France. Encouraged by republican propaganda, nationalist leaders emerged, and saw this as their chance to establish an Independent Greek Republic. This followed by a revolt on the island of Crete in 1793, whereby a delegation was sent to France to request assistance. Republican instigators and propaganda had arrived from France and the attempts of the French Royalist Navy to quell the rebellion were costly. By 1795, the French Royalist Navy in the Mediterranean was spread thin attempting to maintain a blockade of southern France. This resulted in the evacuation of the Royalist Governor from Patras, and the Hellenic Republic was proclaimed at Argos on April 17, 1795 and began receiving aid from the French Republic. In Crete, the revolt was less successful and confined to the mountains of the interior, but was nevertheless a drain on resources.

Not wanting to have these territories fall in the hands of the French Republicans, the king was also not in favour of ceding them to the British. After discussions with the Russian Ambassador in Quebec, a treaty was agreed upon whereby the rebel territories were ceded to Russia. In a secret treaty agreed upon on April 1796, the Kingdom of France ceded the Kingdom of Morea, Duchy of Candia and its dependencies to Russia. Catherine II, long hoping to establish a Greek State under Russian auspices, sent a large naval force to occupy the islands. The move shocked Britain and led to protests on behalf of the British Government. Russia in turn promised to aid restore the King of France to fight against the French Republic and to recognise French Sovereignty over Nootka Sound on the Pacific. Importantly, the Russians agreed to supply the French Royalists with 25,000 soldiers for Egypt, however these were slow in arriving and before they could arrive, a French Republican army had already arrived via Malta, capturing those islands from the Knights of Saint John along the way. In 1797, the Russian commander who was supposed to relieve Egypt, and instead occupied the Ionian Islands claiming that after the Invasion of Venice these were under threat.

Additionally, the Russians provoked a war with the Ottomans using the pretext that they were allied to the French Republic and that by fighting the Ottomans they were doing their part as allies of the Kingdom of France. Whilst it was true that the Ottomans received an ambassador of the French Republic at Constantinople, the Russians claimed that the Turks were aiding the French Republic. When word reached Quebec, the King was furious, as he felt that the Russians were using his war for their own means. Britain too was incensed at the Russians in their expansion against the Ottomans, but at the same time did not want to risk having the Russians enter into an alliance with the French Republic. To prevent Egypt from falling into the hands of the French Republican government, Britain sent a fleet under the command of Admiral Hood to secure Egypt, capturing Malta first in February 1799, before proceeding for Alexandria.

Meanwhile, in Corsica the King was only able to hold the island with the cooperation of nationalist leader Pascuale Paoli. The representative of the king came to an agreement with Paoli whereby an autonomous Kingdom of Corsica was proclaimed. But even this too proved fragile as Republican support was strong in parts of the island, additionally Paoli had managed to alienate many Corsicans. On 17 September 1798, the Royalist forces abandoned their last stronghold on the island due to civil war between republicans and Paoli's forces. Paoli and a band of his supporters departed Corsica with the French Royalist fleet, settling in New Orleans.

In the French domains in the West Indies and Cayenne, the Royalist French Navy had an easier task of maintaining French authority, particularly with the backing of the creole elites. In Saint-Domingue, the French Royalist Navy kept its largest squadron of ships along with several thousand troops from Canada. The island was the wealthiest French colony and the Republican Government had hoped to capture the island by encouraging the slave population to revolt. However, many émigrés whom had acted as absentee landowners settled on the island, reinforcing the reactionary attitude amongst the island's Europeans. In other islands too, there were émigrés whom established themselves as well. Despite this, in Saint-Domingue a slave revolt in 1798 based on republican principles of liberty and equality had to be suppressed, with several of the leaders having been executed and some two-hundred, mostly mulatto conspirators being deported to Devil's Island in French Guiana.

In Africa and India where there were even fewer French settlers, it was far easier to maintain the authority of the French monarchy. The highly profitable trade of the Compagnie des Indes shifted from Bordeaux to Quebec, and many of the company's directors moved as well. The French Republican Navy did send out some ships to the Indian Ocean to engage in piracy, but these were captured. In India itself, the Kingdom of Mysore became a formal protectorate of the Kingdom of France, with Pondicherry providing arms for the Sultan to expand his territory at the expense of the Marathas. The island of Bourbon and Isle de France along with the smaller Seychelles experienced a boom during this period becoming major suppliers of sugar in the Indian Ocean.

The Government Palace in Pondicherry, seat of power for Compagnie des Indes

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The Batavian Republic
Throughout 1794 and 1795, the United Provinces of the Netherlands had been in turmoil due to the events in France. The Republic's Stadtholder William V, Prince of Orange had been a staunch ally of Britain and Prussia and had invited an Anglo-Prussian army into the Republic to protect his country from the not only the French Republic, but from internal rebellion as well. Throughout the 18th century, the Republic had experienced a progressive decline in power, and even its position as the preeminent European trading power had been lost to Britain. This decline had led to growing opposition to the system of government along with criticism of William V to grow. By the 1780s, the Dutch Republic was on the verge of civil war as the "Orangists" whom supported the status quo were pitted against the "Patriots", whom wished to establish a democratic republic. Traditionally the Patriots had been backed by the Kingdom of France, not so much out of ideological sympathies, but rather as a way to lessen the grip of Britain and Prussia on the Republic. In 1787 when the Patriots organised an armed uprising against the government, it was largely with French backing. This was suppressed by Prussian Troops led by the Duke of Brunswick, however many patriot leaders had sought refuge in France, particularly in the city of Lille. The French Republic capitalised on this by encouraging their revolt, hoping to gain access to the Dutch Navy and its sailors, and therefore be able to challenge the French Royal Navy. The diplomats of Louis XVI for their part now entered into an alliance with William V, in an attempt to prevent the French Republic from gaining access to the Dutch Navy or its ports in Europe and overseas.

During the summer of 1794, Patriot uprising had occurred at Utrecht, but this was quickly suppressed by the Anglo-Prussian troops which were permanently stationed in the country. Hoping to spread the revolution across Europe and gain an important ally, on 8 November 1794, a French-backed Patriot force seized Nijmegen leading Britain and Prussia to invade the French Republic, in what was now a major escalation of the war. After facing the revolutionary armies however, the Anglo-Prussian forces coalition barely put up a fight as the Coalition forces plundered their way back to Hanover. The Orangists, backing William V still fought on, and were able to stave off the capitulation of Eindhoven for three weeks. However, the winter of 1795 would be one of the coldest on record, and taking advantage of the frozen rivers, on 10 January 1795 a French army crossed the Waal River, and the remnants of resistance withered away. The Prussians meanwhile entered into negotiations for peace with the French Republic.

Shortly after the entrance of French Troops, revolution began to spread throughout much of the Netherlands. In Amsterdam, the patriots overthrew the existing government and established a "Revolutionary Committee". This caused William V and his family to flee to Zeeland where much of the Dutch Navy was located, as this was one of the last areas firmly under his control. In Zeeland, a the French Royalist Navy had a convoy of ships and the ambassador of Louis XVI "persuaded" the Stadtholder that he should go to Denmark with the Dutch Fleet. William V's wife was the youngest sister of Christian VII, and the Royalist diplomats had already encouraged Prince-Regent, Frederick to act as caretaker for the Dutch and their colonial possessions. This diplomatic coup for the Kingdom of France had been agreed upon to deny both the French Republic and Great Britain the acquisition of the Dutch Navy and more importantly control over its colonies.

Initially, the French Royalist Navy had planned on occupying the Cape of Good Hope, along with Batavia and Ceylon, but they feared that this move could squander goodwill on behalf of Britain, and even lead the British to attack their forces. Evacuating the bulk of the Dutch fleet to Denmark was a move which was agreeable to the British Government because it would counterbalance the huge growth during the past decade of Russia's own Baltic Fleet, having more doubled in tonnage. Additionally, Frederick, the Prince-Regent of Denmark was King George III's nephew, and it was assumed that he would remain friendly to Britain. Therefore, when William V arrived in Copenhagen he surrendered his fleet to the Danish Admiralty, with instructions for the liquidation of the VOC and all of its possessions being placed temporarily under the Danish flag. This would be a move which would allow the continued functioning of the inter-Asian trade of the former Dutch possessions, particularly as they were able to draw on a large pool of sailors from the Kingdom of Norway.

The French Republic for its part had sought to acquire the Dutch Fleet, which was still Europe's fifth-largest in an attempt to challenge the French Royal Navy. Additionally, with the Dutch Navy in their control, they hoped to be able to gain access to naval stores from the Baltic to assist in the rebuilding of the Republican Navy. Victory was on the horizon, as the French forces overran the republic with little resistance. On 16 February 1795, the last major city, Groningen, capitulated to the Patriots and on 21 February the last Orangist resistance on the islands of Zeeland capitulated to the French Commander. The French for their part issued a proclamation that they were in the United Provinces to free their Dutch brothers from the tyranny of William V. A new republic was born in the Netherlands, now known as the Batavian Republic, which would be a unitary state rather than a federal republic.

A peace treaty between France and its sister Republic, was drafted and formally signed at The Hague on 16 May 1795. Though the Patriots sought to negotiate from a position of equality, it soon became clear that they would have little leverage over the peace negotiations. The French Republic exacted a 50 million guilder indemnity along a loan for another 50 million guilder at an interest rate of 3-4% to the French Republic. Additionally, in a secret article of the capitulation, French guards were to be placed on all Dutch vessels and fortresses and French ships were to have access to all Dutch ports along with Cape of Good Hope, Colombo and Trincomalee. The Batavian Republic was also to maintain an army of 32,000 men, to be placed at the disposal of the French Republic should the need arise.

Although considerable part of the Dutch Navy was lost, the French Republic could make use of the Dutch shipyards to build and equip men-of-war rapidly. France wanted to make use of Dutch sailors and their experience. Eight ships of the line and 12 frigates remained in the Dutch Navy, and the Batavian Republic's government promised to build 14 ships within a year and more afterwards. In October 1795, the Batavian Navy sent out a squadron in an attempt to recapture Dutch possessions, but the fleet was lost to the British. The Danish East India Company profited immensely from its new trading opportunities however, sharing the revenues with the exiled Stadtholder.
 
Viriato, two things:

First, given the influx of emigres from France and perhaps immigrants from other countries, I imagine that the population of New France in 1800 would be about 13,000,000 and set to expand rapidly. This is the population of the US in around 1835. Will they reach the West Coast soon? I also wonder about the border with New Spain. California and Tejas are better populated than OTL, but are they populated enough to withstand the onslaught of settlers? San Francisco becoming Saint Francois seems possible.

Second, will the French Republic attempt to attack North America? It seems like exactly the sort of unrealistic and overly ambitious thing they would do.
 
Viriato, two things:

First, given the influx of emigres from France and perhaps immigrants from other countries, I imagine that the population of New France in 1800 would be about 13,000,000 and set to expand rapidly. This is the population of the US in around 1835. Will they reach the West Coast soon? I also wonder about the border with New Spain. California and Tejas are better populated than OTL, but are they populated enough to withstand the onslaught of settlers? San Francisco becoming Saint Francois seems possible.

Second, will the French Republic attempt to attack North America? It seems like exactly the sort of unrealistic and overly ambitious thing they would do.

On the first point you mention, there could be some kind of family deal between the french Bourbon king and the spanish Bourbons, with a payback for New France's support of the spanish dynasty when Napoleon treacherously deposits the spanish Bourbons in 1808. This payback could be a setting of the south eastern frontier on the low Rio Grande and a transfer of the Californias to New France.

On the second point, I can but disagree.

There is no way revolutionary or napoleonic France can afford to cross the Atlantic ocean with enough troops to attack such a big and significantly populated country as New France (10 or 13 million people). Revolutionary/Napoleonic France never were that crazy. It would know this would just be impossible And, most of all, It would have more than enough to deal with in continental Europe, fighting Britain and coalitions.
 
Interesting, read it all today, very well written.

A single thought on the effects on Denmark-Norway, during the latter 18th century, Denmark had profited greatly from being a neutral country, this would crash and burn after first the battle of Copenhagen and later bombardment of Copenhagen which forced Denmark into Napoleons side. Ending with the lose of Norway and the bankrupt in 1813. In this TL. Denmark will probably will have a more anti-french-republic feeling than OTL, hopefully [IMO] keeping it on the British sides, which would be much more preferable. Negating the severe loses for Denmark in the Congress of Vienna

A side effects of this could be a continued militarization of Danish society, which matched that of Prussia. After Frederik IV's [1671-1730] military reforms in the start of the 18th century, Denmark had around 1 soldier per 25 inhabitants, these numbers does not count the fleet. To put into perspective during The Spanish War of Succession the ratio was 1:66 in France and in Austria 1:80.

Anyways, enough ranting, looking forward to more!
 
There will still be Napoleon despite having a POD 250 years before his birth?
I really like your story, but this seems really far fetched
 
Is Senegal royalist or republican French?

FANTASTIC timeline, BTW. Let's hear it for Canada! :D I'd not complain if it annexes Florida (and re-settle Caroline symbolically), Texas, and California.
 
Setbacks for the King
Throughout 1795, the royalist government of France faced a number of setbacks diplomatically, once both the Ottoman Empire and Sweden sent diplomatic envoys to Paris, essentially recognising the French Republic as the legitimate government of France. In 1796, too Prussia signed a peace treaty with the French Republic, making it the first great power in Europe to recognise republic. The Prussians for their part, recognised the French Republic's frontiers at the Rhine and turned their focus eastwards, agreeing with Russia to partition Poland. With these Republican diplomatic achievements were matched with victories on the battlefield, the chances for a successful restoration of the king's authority in France grew bleaker. In Quebec, several of the émigrés had grown disheartened with Louis XVI. They saw the king’s expansion of the Château-Royal in Quebec as a sign of his growing complacency, and began to look to his younger brother, the Comte d'Artois for leadership. Many émigrés had grown restless living in what many considered a colonial backwater, and having lost their fortunes preferred to fight to return their holdings. To achieve a restoration in France, large numbers of young émigrés, enlisted in Royalist Army, fighting alongside the Austrians and British in Europe, while others joined the Royalist Navy. In May of 1796, the Comte d’Artois, and his son, the Duc de Berry sailed for England, ostensibly to negotiate with representatives of National Convention in Paris, but in reality they planned an invasion in France. While some half-hearted negotiations took place with the Prussians acting as intermediaries, the Comte d'Artois was unwilling to concede anything to the revolutionaries, particularly their call for an amnesty. His brother, the king had been obtuse, allowing Artois to negotiate, as he and his cohorts refused to entertain anything less than a restoration of the pre-revolutionary status quo. The British Government too wanted to roll back the borders of France to the pre-revolutionary situation and neither the Revolutionary Government, nor Artois were willing to entertain this. In the end, the Royalists coordinated an invasion force with the Royal Navy to land in the Vendée, a region where royalist sympathies were high and an active insurgency was still fighting against the French Republic.

In France itself, at the beginning of 1796, the possibility of a restoration of the monarchy had looked promising. The government of the National Convention, had granted a general amnesty to royalists in March of that year, and for many this seemed to be a sign of reconciliation. Many royalists now openly supported the restoration of Louis XVI, and those whom were more brazen, particularly in southern France began to wear white cockades. In November 1795, the Jacobin radicalists whom had dominated the government had been overthrown in a coup by a coalition of moderate Gironins, Federalists and Royalists. In the Vendee, a small royalist army with support of the British continued to fight against the government, and the government did make efforts to peacefully negotiate a cease-fire. The brutality of many of the royalist's tactics, however made some in Paris wary of any restoration, particularly as an outbreak of royalist violence against Jacobins in the south of France led to a "White Terror". In June 1796, the French Royalist Navy landed a force of 4,500 men at Quiberon Bay in the heart of the Vendée, creating further panic in Paris. While the army did manage to advance as far as Vannes, by July they were besieged at the Fortress of Penthièvre. To reinforce this army, the British sent a force of 4,000 men, along with the Comte d’Artois commanding a Royalist Force of 1,800 to Île d'Yeu. By August, the royalist army had increased to 35,000, and it seemed that Paris would fall to the royalists. The royalists, however were routed at Dreux on 15 September, with the Comte d'Artois, barely managing to escape to Lorient. From there he sailed with the remnants of his army to England and finally back to Quebec the following year. In Paris, however, the royalists had taken control over several arrondissements of the city, and outnumbered the National Guard of 5,000 by a ratio of 6:1. On 28 September 1796, under the leadership of a young Corsican General, Napoleon Bonaparte, the badly organised Royalists were disarmed by force, through the combination of heavy artillery and cavalry charges. The insurrection had led to the downfall of the National Convention, and its replacement with a military government under the leadership of a five-person committee, among them Napoleon Bonaparte.


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Comte d'Artois c1795 by Henri Pierre Danloux
 
I absolutely love where this is going, always been a fan of French, Russian, Italian, Dutch, German and Belgian ATL, best I've ever read!
 
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