DBWI: What if George S. Patton died in 1945?(in a car crash)

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The Uchronian

Chengar Qordath said:
The only thing Patton did wrong was not cleaning up in China after he took care of the USSR. Of course, if it had been up to him he would have finished the job, but he got undercut by the Pinko-Democrats in Congress and a bunch of cowards and traitors at home. Sure, the US was tired after two major wars, but leaving the job half-finished was no solution.
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Yours is a minority view, I'm afraid. Even here in Alabama, most people don't like the guy anymore; many know at least part of the truth, and not just what I've stated! Honestly, get a little education before spouting your crap, and try to think outside the propaganda that was hammered into your skull in whatever Freedom Foundation private school you went to.

@teddy roosevelt: Only thing is, Buchanan was assassinated by Frank Foreman back in '72, I think.

Long live Frank Foreman! LOL. Guy's my hero, he was a TRUE patriot. :D
 

Chengar Qordath

CaliBoy1990 said:
Yours is a minority view, I'm afraid. Even here in Alabama, most people don't like the guy anymore; many know at least part of the truth, and not just what I've stated! Honestly, get a little education before spouting your crap, and try to think outside the propaganda that was hammered into your skull in whatever Freedom Foundation private school you went to.

@teddy roosevelt: Only thing is, Buchanan was assassinated by Frank Foreman back in '72, I think.

Long live Frank Foreman! LOL. Guy's my hero, he was a TRUE patriot. :D
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Pinko-traitors like you are the reason the US lost so many people in the Chinese war in the first place. Then again, maybe you're one of those immature counter-culture brats who thinks that spouting Commie lies makes him "cool" and "edgy" because you're "sticking it to the man" and other such crap.

In conclusion, go visit a Soviet gulag or Chinese re-education camp, and get some perspective.
 

jmill

Chengar Qordath said:
Pinko-traitors like you are the reason the US lost so many people in the Chinese war in the first place. Then again, maybe you're one of those immature counter-culture brats who thinks that spouting Commie lies makes him "cool" and "edgy" because you're "sticking it to the man" and other such crap.

In conclusion, go visit a Soviet gulag or Chinese re-education camp, and get some perspective.
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I was thinking the same thing but I was too polite to say it:eek:.
 

Dave Howery

even though they brought it on themselves with that whole stupid 'Berlin Blockade' thing, you have to feel sorry for the Russians. They got hurt pretty bad in WW2, even if they did eventually bounce back and carry the war into Germany. And then, just a few years later, WW3 stomps them even more. It took them, what, 20 years to get back on their feet. I read somewhere that even today, big parts of Russia that were once heavily populated still haven't recovered to their pre-WW2 populations...
 
Gray Antarctica

Gray Antarctica

Most of the Chinese attacks failed, only San Fransisco, Portland, and Las Vegas got directly hit(And Portland failed to go nuclear, though the HE did quite a bit of damage to the town hall) . And the Chinese bombs were really shitty bombs, mind you, and many of the suburban off target bombs didn't even detonate. The Chinese got ripped to shreds, however.

And we're still fairly socialist here in Russia, as the government installed post war still consisted of former Party officials. We have had some internal issues from time to time (Remember when one of our hydrogen bombs got stolen while being delivered to an air base in '75? They almost succeeded in setting it off, too!)..............
 

Swan Station

Gray Antarctica said:
Most of the Chinese attacks failed, only San Fransisco, Portland, and Las Vegas got directly hit(And Portland failed to go nuclear, though the HE did quite a bit of damage to the town hall)...
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Failed? In what alternate world do you live in? Have you seen the destruction in those cities lately? Most of them are still offlimits.

OOC: CaliBoy was pretty clear that there are quite a few large cities that are no longer here today.

Really, I don't know why we need to dredge this stuff up anyway. It's always the same, every year around this time on the anniversary of the 1973 Treaty of Rejkjavik, a few Neo-Pattonists come out of the woodwork and start trying to raise him and Buchanan back from the dead.

That was a bad time for the United States, and we're finally getting back on our feet. It's been forty years since Buchanan and Pattonist Fascism were finally ousted from power, and it's taken most of that time to convince the world that we've changed and that was merely the actions of a powerful few. There are still plenty of people out there that hate us, and why? Because of discussions like this!
 

Julia Augusta

Swan Station said:
Failed? In what alternate world do you live in? Have you seen the destruction in those cities lately? Most of them are still offlimits.

OOC: CaliBoy was pretty clear that there are quite a few large cities that are no longer here today.

Really, I don't know why we need to dredge this stuff up anyway. It's always the same, every year around this time on the anniversary of the 1973 Treaty of Rejkjavik, a few Neo-Pattonists come out of the woodwork and start trying to raise him and Buchanan back from the dead.

That was a bad time for the United States, and we're finally getting back on our feet. It's been forty years since Buchanan and Pattonist Fascism were finally ousted from power, and it's taken most of that time to convince the world that we've changed and that was merely the actions of a powerful few. There are still plenty of people out there that hate us, and why? Because of discussions like this!
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I'm guessing you're one of those Traitor-Reagan-Lovin-pinko-communist. You must have loved it when he re-established the UN, allowed Unions to organize and signed that treaty. That traitor. And he said he was a conservative. I can't believe I naively voted for that SOB.

OOC: I do not support the above statement.
 

james31

A.M. Turtle said:
OOC:???? Seriously this is insane

IC: Clearly the US would have fallen to the threat of communism. That pansy Eisenhower didn't have the balls to stand up to Uncle Joe like Patton did. He truly is an American hero!
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OOC: I love the change of direction :)

IC: Anyone seen the movie about him?
 

The Uchronian

Gray Antarctica said:
Most of the Chinese attacks failed, only San Fransisco, Portland, and Las Vegas got directly hit(And Portland failed to go nuclear, though the HE did quite a bit of damage to the town hall) . And the Chinese bombs were really shitty bombs, mind you, and many of the suburban off target bombs didn't even detonate. The Chinese got ripped to shreds, however.

And we're still fairly socialist here in Russia, as the government installed post war still consisted of former Party officials. We have had some internal issues from time to time (Remember when one of our hydrogen bombs got stolen while being delivered to an air base in '75? They almost succeeded in setting it off, too!)..............
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All 3 of those cities survived the Missile War of '53........although yeah, the Chinese got torn to pieces during the Second Missile War.

Swan Station said:
Failed? In what alternate world do you live in? Have you seen the destruction in those cities lately? Most of them are still offlimits.

OOC: CaliBoy was pretty clear that there are quite a few large cities that are no longer here today.

Really, I don't know why we need to dredge this stuff up anyway. It's always the same, every year around this time on the anniversary of the 1973 Treaty of Rejkjavik, a few Neo-Pattonists come out of the woodwork and start trying to raise him and Buchanan back from the dead.

That was a bad time for the United States, and we're finally getting back on our feet. It's been forty years since Buchanan and Pattonist Fascism were finally ousted from power, and it's taken most of that time to convince the world that we've changed and that was merely the actions of a powerful few. There are still plenty of people out there that hate us, and why? Because of discussions like this!
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Well, one good thing came outta all this: both Patton and Buchanan met their ends with bullets in 'em. The former by a pissed-off left-wing Zionist anti-fascist from N.Y.C. in Sept. 1961, and the latter by Syndicalist revolutionary Carolina Rivera in Nov. 1989.
 

Dementor

Banned
Perhaps if the usage of nuclear weapons hadn't become routine, much of the world's population wouldn't have died of hunger due to the multiple nuclear winters. Of course, then the Soviets might have taken over, which as US propaganda assures us, would be much worse.
 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

As a person of color, I am concerned that in the worship of the "Great Leader" Patton, many people forget the mass internment of African-Americans in 1954, the Birmingham "Troubles" of 1963, or even the mass internment of Chinese-Americans in 1964. For those who continue to worship the "Great Leader", I have to ask them, what happened at Camp Manzanar?
 

Chengar Qordath

ScorchedLight said:
It surprises me to see little speculation about a Patton-less world!
Why are we discussing OTL?
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Because we've got another thread being derailed into a political argument. Such is the nature of AH.com.

Not to mention that opinion seems split between revisionist Communist-sympathizers who no doubt fantasize about living in the gulag's under Uncle Joe's iron boot whenever they wank, and people who realize that Patton saved the world from Communist aggression and oppression. Hard to rationally discuss a Patton-less world when half the people in the conversation or so out of touch with reality that they dream of being Communist slaves.
 

ScorchedLight

Chengar Qordath said:
Not to mention that opinion seems split between revisionist Communist-sympathizers who no doubt fantasize about living in the gulag's under Uncle Joe's iron boot whenever they wank, and people who realize that Patton saved the world from Communist aggression and oppression. Hard to rationally discuss a Patton-less world when half the people in the conversation or so out of touch with reality that they dream of being Communist slaves.
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Patton was just as bad as Joe, IMO. When he accussed Ronald Reagan of unamerican activities... that was bad.
 

Chengar Qordath

ScorchedLight said:
Patton was just as bad as Joe, IMO. When he accussed Ronald Reagan of unamerican activities... that was bad.
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Patton never built gulags, did not arrange genocidal famines, or did not execute anyone who dared to disagree with him (or had the potential to do so one day). There is no moral equivalency.
 
Valena

Valena

OOC: I'd like to point out that nuking Minsk in 1947 made no sense - the city was already devastated to the Dresden'esque extent by Nazis (so there were talks about moving the BSSR capital to Mogilev instead of getting into trouble with rebuilding), and was in the middle of rebuilding. No sane man nukes what amounts to big construction site - I don't think there were even many factories returned from evacuation, and it would be an act of cartoonish villainy here (directed, alas, to my home city).

Edit: 1949 but only slightly better. Gorky (Nizhny Novgorod) would make for better target. And I was an unwitting assistant to the gory necromancy.
 
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