As many know, in 871 the Wessex troops were defeated by the army of Halfdan Ragnarson, Bagseg, and the Five Jarls. It is known that the young Alfred was waiting for his brother Ethelred Pious, who wanted to finish the mass. What would have happened if Ethelred had decided to immediately oppose the Danes? Or Alfred would not wait for his brother? You can name your variants of the forks, where the Danes are reflected.
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For starters, Aesirism wouldn't be around today it recieved as the Great Northern Army's defeat of Alfred probably envigorated Aesirists and probably led to it's reformation. But well, I'm from Zhongguo.
Well, Nordic peoples probably would be less common in Western Europe as well
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I don't think the Irish and Saxons and the Frank's could just assimilate all those Northern Europeans.
Well, when I was referring to "Western Europe", I was talking about Germania, Francia, and Alba, for the most part.
Come on now, like it or not Al-Andus is a country in Europe and it is in the western portion of Europe.
To answer the OP, Brittania probably remains majority People of the Book and that's about it.
It's not as though the Nordic pagans will suddenly become Christian or anything.
I mean what, to they interpret their loss as a sign of the weakness of their Gods?
The Franks and Saxons were also pagans. The features of social development required a change in the religious paradigm. Scandinavians managed to reform their faith, but like the Slavs, it was given a great price.
And about whether Andalusia is Europe, then the Asturians with the Leonese People will argue with you
. And if it's serious, then from the geographical point of view it's Europe.
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The al-Masihiyyin always find contrived ways to deny that the Andalus is part of Europe. They always seem to forget that their peoples also migrated to their present location. The prevalence of right-wing parties like Reconquista in the politics of the former Asturias - now the states of Leon and Navarre - continues to infiltrate their academic world and fills their culture with wrongheaded ideas like "taking back" the Andalus from "the Saracens," ignoring the fact that most Andalusi people are the descendants of native people who converted to Islam between the eighth and twelfth centuries. Creedist garbage!The Franks and Saxons were also pagans. The features of social development required a change in the religious paradigm. Scandinavians managed to reform their faith, but like the Slavs, it was given a great price.
And about whether Andalusia is Europe, then the Asturians with the Leonese People will argue with you
Besides, they had their own problems with visitors. Check out how many Leonese people these days have Hispano-Norse ancestry. The Andalus was always able to fight the al-madjus off; the Northern Kingdoms were always too divided, and the new wave of al-madjus after the events in Britannia hit them pretty hard. Granted, those Hispano-Norse who stayed largely adopted Iberian ways, albeit with their own flavour. Maybe the Nortembrese/Hispano-Norse fusion culture never comes to exist without that emboldened Norse world after the invasion of the Isles..
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Britain would obviously be Saxon instead of Danish.
For the rest of Europe? Well, I suppose Kievan Rus wouldn't have received as many Saxon/"Varangian" émigrés after the fall of Britain to Heathens. As a result, with inability to bolster their population outside the main forts, the Vikings in Rus may have assimilated earlier into the native Rus population instead of taking until the 1100s. So there would be fewer Germanic loanwords in the East Slavic languages.
Well, what do you expect, with Andalusia and their Byzantine communist masters pointing ballistic missile platforms right at North Oviedo? The Corduban missile crisis may have passed but tensions remain high as ever. In the states of the "Empire of All Spains", propaganda of any sort is pushed if it makes Andalusia or communism look bad, even if said propaganda threatens democracy in Leon and Navarre.
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First off, they're called the Hellenic Community. Second, what's your problem with communism? The right of the community to choose its own leadership[1] is far superior to the hereditarian systems favoured in Europe. Even in those countries which have begun to adopt surface elements of communism, hereditarianism still dominates. After all, what's democracy except a bastardized form of community rule, tainted with hereditarianism to ensure selection only by adult men of a certain wealth and race?
Third, the Hellenic Community hasn't been master of anything for a long time, but I suppose the scurrilous "Greek conspiracy" nonsense continues to stick to any country which preserved ancient Hellenic learning after the fall of the Roman Empire.
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Well if the vikings had never managed to cripple the native Anglo-Saxon kingdoms and gain a proper foothold, of course the later taking of Irland and Alba would never occur. The Wars in Irland in particular played an important role in the development of the Norse political tanistry-meritocracy system of government. If the Norse had never spread out so far either, the numerous intra-Norse civil wars during this time would never have occurred as the disparate kingdoms fought for dominance. While these civil wars significantly damaged the Norse population and kingdoms, arguably preventing a greater degree of viking conquest,they were essential in the development of more reliable central leadership to prevent the almost regular conflicts over leadership among the Norse.
As for ethnic differences. Just as someone mentioned about Kievan Rus, northern Francia would not have received the great influx of Anglo-Saxon refugees fleeing the vikings as they did. That would significantly alter the culture and genetics of Brittany and Angala (OTL Normandy). Spain is a real toss-up since so many forces were fighting for dominance, and the later addition of Norse mercenaries looking for loot, thralls, and land to settle only added to the chaos. The brief Varangian Guard created by Emperor Basil II would have lasted longer if Norse warriors didn't decide they had just as much opportunities fighting to ensure Norse dominance in Britain as in Constantinople. That might have prevented the proxy wars by both peoples for influence and control over Kievan Rus, likely sparing that country a lot of turmoil and conflict.
A major difference would be the loss in naval influence in Western Europe. Weaker vikings meant the other nations wouldn't have eventually been forced to try and develop more complete navies, thus the Norse wouldn't have ever been forced to adapt to out-compete them. The Age of the Sail would be unrecognizable without the viking naval culture permeating so many areas and kick-starting it.
As for ethnic differences. Just as someone mentioned about Kievan Rus, northern Francia would not have received the great influx of Anglo-Saxon refugees fleeing the vikings as they did. That would significantly alter the culture and genetics of Brittany and Angala (OTL Normandy). Spain is a real toss-up since so many forces were fighting for dominance, and the later addition of Norse mercenaries looking for loot, thralls, and land to settle only added to the chaos. The brief Varangian Guard created by Emperor Basil II would have lasted longer if Norse warriors didn't decide they had just as much opportunities fighting to ensure Norse dominance in Britain as in Constantinople. That might have prevented the proxy wars by both peoples for influence and control over Kievan Rus, likely sparing that country a lot of turmoil and conflict.
A major difference would be the loss in naval influence in Western Europe. Weaker vikings meant the other nations wouldn't have eventually been forced to try and develop more complete navies, thus the Norse wouldn't have ever been forced to adapt to out-compete them. The Age of the Sail would be unrecognizable without the viking naval culture permeating so many areas and kick-starting it.
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And what is the probability that the Scandinavians will be able to defend their possessions in the North of England?