DBWI: France becomes a Republic

[Abhakhazia]

We all know that the French love their King Henry, and the Orleanist Party, which supports him is all and well.
But what if? A second Republic could be started, even a third, fourth or even fifth one.
So set a pretense to make that happen.

Also, bonus points if you get the British to keep their monarchy.

 

[LSCatilina]

Actually, France was a republic between 1792 and 1794, until Louis XVI return to the throne with the help of Austrian army. It didn't ended well for most republicans, even if many survived enough for driving the insurrection of 1824.

Of course, some could argue that the republican feeling is still quite present in the western part of France : Parti Républicain made around 34% of voices in these regions, and even 58% in La Rochelle.

 

[alex costa]

We all know that the French love their King Henry, and the Orleanist Party, which supports him is all and well.
But what if? A second Republic could be started, even a third, fourth or even fifth one.
So set a pretense to make that happen.

Also, bonus points if you get the British to keep their monarchy.

The French a republic?????? Nah that won't happen especially with the French knowing what happened in the Republican period. Napoleon was such a godsend to them. And the British a Monarchy. Not happening. But I suppose that means no Mosley at least phew

 

[Abhakhazia]

The French a republic?????? Nah that won't happen especially with the French knowing what happened in the Republican period. Napoleon was such a godsend to them. And the British a Monarchy. Not happening. But I suppose that means no Mosley at least phew

OOC: Ummm, it's an Orléanist Monarchy, not Bonapartist.

 

[Enigmajones]

We all know that the French love their King Henry, and the Orleanist Party, which supports him is all and well.
But what if? A second Republic could be started, even a third, fourth or even fifth one.
So set a pretense to make that happen.

Also, bonus points if you get the British to keep their monarchy.

Actually, France was a republic between 1792 and 1794, until Louis XVI return to the throne with the help of Austrian army. It didn't ended well for most republicans, even if many survived enough for driving the insurrection of 1824.

Of course, some could argue that the republican feeling is still quite present in the western part of France : Parti Républicain made around 34% of voices in these regions, and even 58% in La Rochelle.

The French a republic?????? Nah that won't happen especially with the French knowing what happened in the Republican period. Napoleon was such a godsend to them. And the British a Monarchy. Not happening. But I suppose that means no Mosley at least phew

OOC: French Monarchist Clusterfuck Facepalm.

 

[Xgentis]

OOC: Why would the Orleanist party support a Bourbon king?

 

[Revolutionary Todyo]

The French a republic?????? Nah that won't happen especially with the French knowing what happened in the Republican period. Napoleon was such a godsend to them. And the British a Monarchy. Not happening. But I suppose that means no Mosley at least phew

I still think he was an opportunist bastard. I mean some junior artillery officer ends up as the French No. 2 just because he decides the whole Republic thing isn't work out as soon as it's obvious the king is coming home with an army of Austrians at his back?

OOC: Ummm, it's an Orléanist Monarchy, not Bonapartist.

OOC: Saved it

I tank your most heartfelt, grovelling thanks as read

 

[LSCatilina]

OOC : I never said it was the case. What I said is the OTL republic failed with the return of a living Louis XVI. Up to others to fill the gap of transmission between Bourbons and Bourbons-Orléans.

 

[Abhakhazia]

OOC: Why would the Orleanist party support a Bourbon king?

OOC: Henri d'Orléans? The current Orléanist pretender. That's the King.
The POD is the July monarchy survives.

 

[Revolutionary Todyo]

OOC: French Monarchist Clusterfuck Facepalm.

OOC: Too many claimants to the French Throne. They should just give it to the Queen, or the current Hohenzollern head

 

[The Uchronian]

We all know that the French love their King Henry, and the Orleanist Party, which supports him is all and well.
But what if? A second Republic could be started, even a third, fourth or even fifth one.
So set a pretense to make that happen.

Also, bonus points if you get the British to keep their monarchy.

All is fine and well? Only if you listen to the rightist media over there, sadly.

Here in the Confederation of Canada(a republic and free of royal influence since 1839!), we have more honest sources. Sad truth is, North France is one of the poorest and most mismanaged countries in Europe. HenrI X is despised by virtually all the common folk and it's pretty well-known here that the monarchist elite have been rigging votes for over 5 decades now.
I should also mention that Monarchist France was a German satellite state in between the World Wars as well(Anti-Semitism was, sadly, all too common, though at least some of the German Governors-General had the decency to try to curb it), although only South French schools cover that fact.

And let's not get started on how the Monarchists have treated immigrants, either. That topic has already started flame wars. Ivan had to boot a number of people off on the most recent one particularly.

I've been to every single major country in Europe outside of Russia tbh. Finland, Poland, Great Britain, Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, and Scandia are all well-functioning democracies(Scotland has an Emperor but he's only a figurehead, and actually well-liked at that). Germany and Austria are okay but still pretty screwed up in spots(took a socialist revolution in the latter country to fix it though). Monarchist France? I left after only four days; the final straw came when I saw a King's Guard murder a Jewish couple in cold blood.

Make no mistake, monarchist France has been screwed up since the beginning. Why else are there over 25 million people of French descent in today's U.S.A., Canada(especially in Quebec), New England, California, and Mexico?

@LSCatilina: Didn't happen quite happen like that. Northern France did go back to the King, yes, but the south of the country remained Republican until 1824. After the 71-year hiatus, the Insurrection of 1895 happened, and South France has been Republican ever since.

 

[Enigmajones]

What do you mean?
The BBC told me about the popularity of Henry. I haven't been to France, but most of the French I know love the King.
The refugees from France are hard line Republicans.
Why did you make those lies about France?

OOC: In a DBWI, you can't dictate the TL, if someone mentions something it becomes canon.

 

[Abhakhazia]

OOC: In a DBWI, you can't dictate the TL, if someone mentions something it becomes canon.

OOC: I deleted the post.

 

[Revolutionary Todyo]

OOC: DBWIs only really run when people pick up on them and can string out an early plot. Disputes and confusion about the OP tend to kill them, unfortunate because I liked the look of this one. Napoleon becoming Marshal of a restored French monarchy would have been cool, but of course that was my idea

 

[Enigmajones]

OOC: DBWIs only really run when people pick up on them and can string out an early plot. Disputes and confusion about the OP tend to kill them, unfortunate because I liked the look of this one. Napoleon becoming Marshal of a restored French monarchy would have been cool, but of course that was my idea

OOC: Yeah it was pretty much dead when the whole "North and South, Monarchist and Republican France."

 

[Revolutionary Todyo]

OOC: Yeah it was pretty much dead when the whole "North and South, Monarchist and Republican France."

OOC: Though that has potential for a Nazi victory scenario.

After the Third Reich collapses for whatever reason, France descends into Civil War with the county ending up split into more the Conservative, Monarchist supporting north and a Fascistic south, which eventually liberalises somewhat to cosy up with the Allies.

 

[PoorBoy]

I still think he was an opportunist bastard. I mean some junior artillery officer ends up as the French No. 2 just because he decides the whole Republic thing isn't work out as soon as it's obvious the king is coming home with an army of Austrians at his back?

Well he was indeed an opportunist, but Louis XVI did show his appreciation to Bonaparte by installing him Duc de Corse. And he proved himself a capable general during the War of 1812 when he defended Louisane from the invading American forces during his term as viceroy there.

But what if we take Bonaparte out of the equation? Louis XVI and the Austrian army would have a tougher time retaking Paris and the rest of France. Perhaps, the French would resent the foreign Austrians occupying the country in this TL, instead of promptly leaving and letting Bonaparte deal with the republicans.

 

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Well he was indeed an opportunist, but Louis XVI did show his appreciation to Bonaparte by installing him Duc de Corse. And he proved himself a capable general during the War of 1812 when he defended Louisane from the invading American forces during his term as viceroy there.

But what if we take Bonaparte out of the equation? Louis XVI and the Austrian army would have a tougher time retaking Paris and the rest of France. Perhaps, the French would resent the foreign Austrians occupying the country in this TL, instead of promptly leaving and letting Bonaparte deal with the republicans.

Well getting rid of Boneparte himself shouldn't be too hard to butterfly, it was in the middle of the Terror after all. Just give Robspierre a reason to suspect him (young, charismatic, ambitious, popular officer should be enough) and he ends up sans a head.

After that things are a bit up in the air. Obviously Bonepartes own men and the those commanded by his fellow royalists made Louis' taking power so much more smoother then it could have been. The Austrian troops were enough to beat the Republican forces IOTL, and they should prove capable of taking Paris too. After that the best hope would be the counter-revolution spreading and there being enough royalists to suppress the Republicans.

 

[PulkitNahata]

I mean what is there not to love. The King Louis XVI had to abdicate in 1799 in favour of his son Charles X the great (OTL Louis XVII). While Charles was known as Louis, taking advice from La Fayette and Napoleon really helped him. Not only did he kick out the Austrian soldiers out of France but in the subsequent Carlist wars of 1801-03, 1805-06, 1808-10 France beat the combined powers of Britain, Austria, Prussia, Russia and Spain and extended France's borders to the Rhine and took Savoy, Upper Navarre, Wallonia, Luxembourg and Nice and made them a part of France. Also who can forget the Code Charles, the famed civil code of France and many other nations. Also the French colonial empire was expanded with Louisiana which was heavily populated due to the increase of settlers from the colony of Saint Dominic. Toussiant l'Ouverture was the First ever non white French Marshal and with slavery abolished and Louisiana opened, many blacks from Saint Dominic and many Republicans ended up there. Also the war of 1812 was started by the fromer USA against Louisiana for the french had abolised slavery and signing a treaty with Britain in 1811, had managed to stop the slave trade. Also the Cugnot Steam Wagons in 1808 in Germany and Steamships of 1809 in the Battle of the Gibraltar showed French innovation and helped in beating the Prussian Army and the British Navy. Then they helped free the Nations such as Poland, Greece, Gran Columbia and Germany from oppresive regimes. French were also the First country to have universal male sufferage and universal sufferage. First to institute homosexual marriage laws, first to pass laws regarding child labour and free education. What is there not to love about their progressive Kings.

 

[Xgentis]

Maybe if France was a republic there would still be franco-british enmity and no Paris-London engine of european cooperation.