i like this! i like ottoman tls. me & a friend are currently brainstorming a tl where Mustafa Kemal Pasha becomes dictator of the empire in a fashion similar to napoleon.
Btw, why almost every Ottoman TL i found in this forum where banned??i like this! i like ottoman tls. me & a friend are currently brainstorming a tl where Mustafa Kemal Pasha becomes dictator of the empire in a fashion similar to napoleon.
idk for sure why.Btw, why almost every Ottoman TL i found in this forum where banned??
IIRC? A lot of the original topic starters tended to dip their toes into easy potholes for Turkish exceptionalism/nationalist apologism given enough time to argue a politically charged topic. Or wanted to take an extended break from this forumBtw, why almost every Ottoman TL i found in this forum where banned??
so essentially, here's a (very) rough summary of the plot so far:i like this! i like ottoman tls. me & a friend are currently brainstorming a tl where Mustafa Kemal Pasha becomes dictator of the empire in a fashion similar to napoleon.
The thing about have Ataturk rise to power before WW1 with the help of the military was that he was kind of disliked by it for advocating for depoliticization. That was why he was sent to Libya, which was viewed as a political dead end.so essentially, here's a (very) rough summary of the plot so far:
The italo-turkish war ofc ends poorly for the ottomans, but italy suffers a lot more casualties thanks to the genius of kemal pasha, & he becomes popular throughout the empire.
So he creates his own party (we don-t know what name it'd have) and creates a coalition w/ likeminded parties & most importantly, the military. But the sultan doesn't like the fact that he'd be turned into a figurehead, so he moves on kemal to limit his power. Kemal is furious, and in a meeting w/ his political allies and his fellow generals (the german ambassador is present) he decides to march on constantinople and depose the sultan. Just like the 3 pasha gov, he rules dictatorially.
This is what we have so far.
Comments?
ArmeniaBtw, why almost every Ottoman TL i found in this forum where banned??
Yes. If the coup against the Three Pashas had gone ahead otl Portukalian was one of the leading candidates to become provisionally Grand Vizier. It's ironic because not only was he Armenian but also an Armenian Nationalist even though he was very moderate and willing to work with the Ottomans on a pragmatic basis.Was an Armenian seriously considered for Grand Vizer in 1914? That's fascinating
Thanks. Yes the alliance will be fraught however.This looks very promising as a timeline. Haven’t really seen a whole lot of TLs focusing on the Ottoman Empire in the post 1900s section. It will be interesting to see how the Ottomans interact with Greece and Russia while being in the same alliance.
i mean, in this case, i'd thought that he'd see the sultanate as decadent & behind the times.The thing about have Ataturk rise to power before WW1 with the help of the military was that he was kind of disliked by it for advocating for depoliticization. That was why he was sent to Libya, which was viewed as a political dead end.
Awesome man! Please consider doing More Habsburg TL's!Thoughts? The Ottomans successfully navigate WW1 while keeping its burgeoning democracy alive
We'll see. I guess a similar rendition of chancellors for Austria would not be remiss.Awesome man! Please consider doing More Habsburg TL's!
Thanks!Very interesting. Always good too see surviving Ottomans TL.
Awesome! Long live the Habsburgs AEIOU!We'll see. I guess a similar rendition of chancellors for Austria would not be remiss.