Consequences of a Ottoman Granada

[kasumigenx]

What are the consequences if Granada falls under Ottoman Control during the 15th century.

 

[Atreus]

What are the consequences if Granada falls under Ottoman Control during the 15th century.

Im not sure quite how or why they leapfrog across the entire mediterranean to go after granada.

Maybe Muhammad XII makes himself a vassal or something, but even so that seems rather like the sublime porte is overreaching itself.

 

[Snowstalker]

I read this as Consequences of an Ottoman Canada.

 

[yourworstnightmare]

I read this as Consequences of an Ottoman Canada.

That would be a good TL, but I think a Ottoman Granada is a good start, a port from where they can direct the colonization of Canada.

 

[Alex Richards]

Well. The Ottomans are going to need Malta at least to project their influence into the Western Med. I think you'll probably need an earlier capture of Constantinople in order to give enough time for the Ottomans to get there before the Spanish Emirates fall.

 

[MNP]

Isn't Seas of the Sultan based on this premise too?

 

[Don Grey]

I read this as Consequences of an Ottoman Canada.

That would be a good TL, but I think a Ottoman Granada is a good start, a port from where they can direct the colonization of Canada.

Now that would be intresting how ever ASB it would be i would still like reading it.

 

[Guerrilla Republik]

Isn't Seas of the Sultan based on this premise too?

An admittedly mediocre TL

I might overhaul it some time to make it more realistic,

 

[AndreHanover]

The Ottomans didn't have a good navy in the 1480s, and it would have been just too far. They did not control Malta, and hadn't even conquered Rhodes before Granada fell. Focusing on taking Granada would be a complete shift of the Ottoman ambition to create a solid empire, and would have to still contend with Trebizond, Venice, Genoa, the Arabs, and the Hungarians before they could think of expanding into Spain. Bayezid II would have probably been assassinated in his first year for such radical thinking, and as the campaign would almost assuredly fail, it might even be enough to deorbit the Ottoman ascent, allowing the Hungarians and the Knights of St. John to pick apart their conquered territories (most of them Greek or Eastern Christian.)

 

[Thespitron 6000]

OTL, the fall of Constantinople was a major trigger for the Reconquista, which means that if the Ottomans did try to exert influence in southern Spain, the Spanish would probably be even more committed to kicking them out. Or at least that's my two cents.

 

[The Doctor]

You've given me an interesting idea for an Ottoman game in EU III HT3.

 

[Julius Vogel]

The city of Grenada is about 70km from the sea, so any Ottoman relationship is going to have to be able to project forces inland from the sea at will.

 

[mailinutile2]

Dear author,
I suggest you to correct the thread as "consequences of an independent Granada".
An independent sultanate surviving in southern spain is possible (even if it is a bit unlikely).
Maybe it could even be nominally subject to Istanbul, but not de facto

 

[Nomad]

If Turks tried to take Granada,they would had it for some years,to get then PWNT by the Castillians.Also,a war between an Ottoman Granada and Castille would be also economically and logistically a fail.Andalusia is far from Turkey,it's on the other side of the Mediterranean,and the supplies would arrive in too much time.To end,the Ottoman ships were inferior to the European ones,this means that Europeans could have sunk the supply ships with their escorts with no problems.It is a fascinating idea,but it history wouldn't be changed that much.

 

[Anaxagoras]

OTL, the fall of Constantinople was a major trigger for the Reconquista

I assume you are referring only to the final campaign against Granada. By 1453, the Reconquista has already been going on for hundreds of years.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Anything remotely resembling to the emirate of Granada becoming a vassal of the Ottoman empire is going to convince the Christian kingdoms to conquer it much quickly than before

 

[anon_user]

Don't forget that from 1238 on, Granada was a vassal of Castille.

 

[Nugax]

As other posters have said, the changes that precede an Ottoman Granada are going to have much bigger effects (like a powerful Ottoman navy etc), so you need to say how the Ottomans get Granada (not that I'm saying its impossible, just the variant paths to get there are important).

 

[SJK]

As other posters have said, the changes that precede an Ottoman Granada are going to have much bigger effects (like a powerful Ottoman navy etc), so you need to say how the Ottomans get Granada (not that I'm saying its impossible, just the variant paths to get there are important).

How about extended and intensified divisions amongst the Christian kingdoms, culminating in the small states having much more distinct and different cultures by the late 1300's (assuming that someone doesn't unite Iberia)?

 

[Don Grey]

If Turks tried to take Granada,they would had it for some years,to get then PWNT by the Castillians.Also,a war between an Ottoman Granada and Castille would be also economically and logistically a fail.Andalusia is far from Turkey,it's on the other side of the Mediterranean,and the supplies would arrive in too much time.To end,the Ottoman ships were inferior to the European ones,this means that Europeans could have sunk the supply ships with their escorts with no problems.It is a fascinating idea,but it history wouldn't be changed that much.

Ottoman ships werent inferior to european ones. The ottomans just used ship fit for the med because they didnt have direct accses to the atlantic or any other ocean for that matter so they didnt need the bigger european ships used to colonize the new world. And any power the ottomans faced in the med would also be using med orianted ships. It was latter on when the race for the new world got full under way or colonialism got full blown that the ottomans became increasingly inferior to european navies.