Confederate/Nazi Alliance

[tom]

BrilliantLight:
How likely is that worst case scenario, really? Sometimes things are so bad that nations avoid them. I am sure that in mid-August 1945 a lot of people thought nuclear weapons would be used in warfare at least several occasions within the next couple generations, yet we have not. Or at least the countries may split and be "hostile", but not actually fighting.
Perhaps we should get the likelihoods of these scenarios down to clarify the background of this thread:
A. Two nations, USA and CSA, nonhostile (like USA and UK)
B. Two nations, Usa and CSA, hostile (Cold War)
C. USA and multiple southern nations, no open war
D. USA intact, southern nations fighting
E. Both North and South balkanized (as you fear).

 

[Peter Cowan]

Regarding the difference between a patriot and traitor - the former wins, the latter doesn't

 

[Brilliantlight]

BrilliantLight:
How likely is that worst case scenario, really? Sometimes things are so bad that nations avoid them. I am sure that in mid-August 1945 a lot of people thought nuclear weapons would be used in warfare at least several occasions within the next couple generations, yet we have not. Or at least the countries may split and be "hostile", but not actually fighting.
Perhaps we should get the likelihoods of these scenarios down to clarify the background of this thread:
A. Two nations, USA and CSA, nonhostile (like USA and UK)
B. Two nations, Usa and CSA, hostile (Cold War)
C. USA and multiple southern nations, no open war
D. USA intact, southern nations fighting
E. Both North and South balkanized (as you fear).

A. Almost no chance at that before a hundred years pass, that is a shorter period then between the Revolutionary war and WWI.
B. Pretty good chance at that and there would be a decent chance that fighting would break out again as the South continues to fall behind. That would tempt the North to try again.
C. Very unlikely as the Southern nations are likely to fight each other over every little thing
D. Fairly likely as the South has set a precedent that you you can drop out of a country over every little thing.
E. A really good chance because you have shown that any time you have an arguement over something you should simply quit over it rather then trying to work something out.

 

[Straha]

If a CSA ATL followed our world's european history it probably wouldn't be the Confederates who allied with the nazis but the union. After losing the ACW I see the union as being a power that seeks allies and is hostile to most of the rest of the world. So in 1933 after Hitler takes power in Germany we see the Union and the third reich becoming good allies. The Union probably gets the nazis to make a few conessions for human rights like deporting the unwanted groups instead of killing them. A New York city-rome-berlin axis anyone?