Complete Soviet Victory (WW2)

[Communist Wizard]

In OTL, the USSR won WW2, but at great cost. Huge numbers of casualties, many industries destroyed, one of the worst occupations in history, etc. etc. Then, it also lost Western Europe to the Allies.
These factors combined together probaly were a main reason in why it lost the Cold War. And that is why one could argue WW2 was almost a loss for the USSR.
Therefore, to achieve a Complete Soviet Victory, we need these terms by the end of the war.
-The war is only initially fought in the Western USSR. Soon after the start of hostilities the Germans somehow get thrown back into Poland, etc. With this, there is not such a high casualty list, nor any fierce occuption or destruction of industries. This is also very hard to do, but No Purges, and perhaps a USSR pre-emptive strike would do, perhaps getting the same effect as OTL Barbarossa, destroying/taking the all the things stockpiled for an invasion and destroying much of the Wehrmacht Army positioned for invasion and thus severely weakening them.
-The USSR must occupy all of Europe occupied by the Nazis/Italians, basically the standard 'Soviets reach the Bay of Biscay'. With this, the mighty West German, French, Italian, etc. industries fall into the hands of the East Bloc, and all of that is denied to NATO.
-The Manhattan project, through butterflies or POD should receive some sort of major setback (fire destroys apparatuses?), meanwhile the USSR instead receives the entire German atomic program to get a leap on it's rivals. And with the larger Soviet economy due to the terms higher up, perhaps that would give them a boost. Basically, we should have a Soviet Bomb earlier, or not much later than the US Bomb.
-With all that above, the Far East should also fall to the USSR. An earlier DOW on Japan will probably result in all of Korea Red, as well Hokkaido if not most of Japan. China should also fall firmly into the Soviet sphere, with parts absorbed/puppetised.
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The hardest part here is, of course, completely curbstomping the Nazis early on so as to not have any brutal occupations of USSR territory or major losses, yet to have them conquer all they did so the USSR can take it in turn. I still think some sort of better-mobilised USSR with no purges can pull a Barborossa on Hitler, perhaps destroying the invasion force very early on. Why do I say the latter? Well, in OTL Stalin was preparing his own invasion and preparations were being stockpiled on the border. However, he refused to listen to the invasion warnings and thus all of those preparations and armour and air forces were lost to the Nazis.
However, if we reverse that with a pre-emptive attack, all of the Army divisions and resources stockpiled on the Nazi border by the Nazis may be lost to the Soviet Union, perhaps fatally crippling the Nazi War machine. But, this one is up to to you to straighten out.
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With those terms, there also are interesting to discuss
-While Eastern Europe had no colonies, Western Europe did. Would Red France try to hold on? What would be the response in Indochina? I'm thinking the Soviet Union may just try to make all those countries Communist and seperate from their colonial masters, but...
-Would America's standing in WW2 be tarnished as there is no D-Day/liberation and thus they look like they did nothing (against the Nazis)? Since we have an earlier end of fighting in Europe, how annoed would they be with the Soviets attacking suddenly and taking most of East Asia in (the reverse of the OTL Europe situation...)? Should be interesting...
Well, members, WW2 experts, etc.? Feel free to discuss.

 

[hammo1j]

The SU has to be weak enough for the Nazis to attack so it would have to be at least 18 months before it found itself on German territory.

Roosevelt is EVEN more of a sympathsiser that in OTL and feeds the aid without establishing a presence in the UK claiming the japs are the major problem. The SU cause the IRA (as in OTL) to revolt against the UK creating massive internal strife.

Sim the French resistance and others rely on Soviet support for progress. A pro Soviet coup occurs by authoritarian German Officers .

Hollywood actors union secretly imbue all future films with a pre-Communist worker bias. The USA lasts until 1953.

1964: The only hope is the Chilean nation led by the heroic Dr Pinochet.

 

[wolfstar]

The USSR lost the cold war because command economies suck at making things cheaper. If they had conquered all of mainland Europe? The cold would never happen. The US would not have gotten involved in Europe and no threat from the US would mean no reason for Russia to fight a cold war against the west. The UK and Russia might have a navel race, but I doubt that the SU could have invaded england.

The SU would spent most of it's power trying to keep the different nations on the path of Communism till around 2020-2030 when people they rule realized capitalism, cheep internet porn, and computers beats the hell out of slogans, ration lines, and shitty communist rulers.

 

[Blochead]

If Hungary and Czechloslovakia are any guide, the USSR would soon find itself engaged in major campaigns to keep Western Europe communist, at great expense to the Soviets. I imagine the political dissent in countries like France, Germany and Italy would be just as fervent, if not more, than the dissent in those Eastern European states.

 

[SRT]

If Hungary and Czechloslovakia are any guide, the USSR would soon find itself engaged in major campaigns to keep Western Europe communist, at great expense to the Soviets. I imagine the political dissent in countries like France, Germany and Italy would be just as fervent, if not more, than the dissent in those Eastern European states.

Actually, if anything there would be stronger communist sympathies in those three countries you mentioned. All three had huge pre-and-post-war communist movements. A lot of the Free French were communists, for example.

No Cold War is right, to say the least. Without the Cold War, the history of modern communism (and capitalism, for that matter... and everything, for that matter) is completely different. It's more than likely that many (likely not all, but many, considering how many problems were overcome OTL with MASSIVE government spending on military and weapons programs that simply wouldn't exist in this TL) problems in the Soviet system would be overcome, especially if Stalin dies on time.

If there's no rivalry with the U.S., likely because the U.S. is still very insular at the time, we may never see Soviet expansion into space (and thus no U.S. expansion into space, though I'm sure both countries will do it at some point, just much later than OTL).

Basically this is Sovietwank, how much it is depends on what your personal opinion is of communism. Haha.

 

[Blochead]

Actually, if anything there would be stronger communist sympathies in those three countries you mentioned. All three had huge pre-and-post-war communist movements. A lot of the Free French were communists, for example.

Yes, but there were also enormous groups of right wing sympathizers and anticommunists. At the very least, Italy and Germany would be very difficult to subdue, and the 19th century has shown us that while France may be left-wing, you can still find enough people to raise hell against the most radical leftists.

 

[burmafrd]

Communism was just about the most ineffecient system ever known- that has been pretty much proven beyond any reasonable doubt. No matter what, it was doomed. The Soviet wank is good for a laugh, but that is all.

 

[Slamet]

Communism was just about the most ineffecient system ever known- that has been pretty much proven beyond any reasonable doubt. No matter what, it was doomed. The Soviet wank is good for a laugh, but that is all.

By who? And why are you so certain?

-The war is only initially fought in the Western USSR. Soon after the start of hostilities the Germans somehow get thrown back into Poland, etc. With this, there is not such a high casualty list, nor any fierce occuption or destruction of industries. This is also very hard to do, but No Purges, and perhaps a USSR pre-emptive strike would do, perhaps getting the same effect as OTL Barbarossa, destroying/taking the all the things stockpiled for an invasion and destroying much of the Wehrmacht Army positioned for invasion and thus severely weakening them.

A 1942 Barbarossa? But that would eliminate the other ones...
A high casualty list is somewhat nearly unavoidable, but if you do Stalin's 5 year plan (1941 being the last year) by late 1941/ early 1942 the Red Army would be better prepared, though without the crushing defeats of 1941 OTL, the Red Army would've had to watch and learn from other countries.

 

[Vault-Scope]

Germany launches initially an invasion force toward the Caucase then toward Stalingrad. No red army offensive toward Stalingrad in late 1942.

Operation torch happened as in OTL but les concerned with the eatsern front, Hitler sent more ressouurces east and is able to evacuate a fair part of the afrika korp to Sicilia by the time of ATL-Kursk. The Uk/US forces are defeated in June.

The red army launches a wide offensive in latter 1943, first a major tank battle sees the defeate of the wermarcht in the region near Kursk(even worstthan the OTL battle of Kursk) then red army goes south, encircling Stalingrad then axis forces fighting in the caucase.
By late 1943, Kiev falls to the red army, Minsk follows in early 1944.
German army have less equippement as full-scale war effort started 2/3 of a year later and a greater series of setbacks, their production levels are also lower.

Becaus eof the Sicilian defeat, Churchill have his way and attempted invasion of France is attempted earlier.
It result in a failure as a mighty storm comes the second day of the offensive and last for 3 days.
German panzer divisions comes in time and after 2 months, 200 000 allied lives are lost.
In summer 1944, red army launch an offensive into German-occupied Poland and win an ever greater victory than the previous year.
Romania turns on red army side barely a few weeks afterward, followed by Bulgaria.
German forces in the baltics are cut-off, eastern Prussia falls soon after. A series of insurrections in Poland weakens the Wermarcht furthermore.

Allied invasion of Sicilia begins as red army liberates the balkanes, when they invade mainland Italia, red army and Yugoslav partisans marches toward Turin.
The allied armies meets not far north of Rome.
In late 1944. Berlin and Hamburg are encircled by the red army, Prague and Vienna falls to the Red Army.
December sees a massive allied offensive toward Belgium, which eventually fails.
1945: January 15th see a communist-lead insurrection in ocuppied France, with most German troops along the southern and northern coasts the insurrection spreads rapidly to most of the country.
In response red army advances into Belgium and Holland, German forces retreates behind the Rhine.
With defences completely gone, "western" allies gains a major foothold in northern France but red army have also advanced into France.
From western France, they encircle the Rhineland, from Italia they cross southern France toward the Spanish borders...
Red army accept the occupation of some German territories by France, Britain and the USA but northern germany and most of the Rhineland remains under red army occupation.

"Western allies" are more keen to negociate with Japan, when red army attack all of korea and a bigger part of China falls.
Later in 1945, Spain and Portugal falls to red army that attacked from southern france.
French communists are bolder than they where in OTL, they have also more backing, allied with the the socialists they take power.
A military coup happens in 1947 but communist-socialist grousp resisted violently.
Allied armies avoided clashing with one another, within 2 years the French communists are victorious.
The anti-communist Frenchs mainly flees to North Africa.
A few months later, there was a major conflict as both the USA and the soviet-union intervened in the Chines civil war.
Mao had already taken most of the country by then and was victorious.

The united states decides to crush by military force any more anti-colonial insurrection, starting with Indonesia and the middle-east.
In the 1950s, the USA military coups occures in most south american countries, to ensure they do not turn communist.