Arctic Patrol
May I offer this Arctic class Frigate for the Arctic patrol squadron
May I offer this Arctic class Frigate for the Arctic patrol squadron
Canadian Power: The Canadian Forces as a Major Power
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With all the interest in the Arctic, you are going to see more ships and armed ships... Myself i belief it should be a demilitarized zone. Also note due to thermocline and ice conditions, ASW is probably a very hard option
Many submarines are not able to break through the icepack, and it would be best patrolled by submarines, of which Canada here has three SSNs and six SSKs, all state of the art units. As well, there are five new Astute-class SSNs ordered to replace the older SSNs.
Looking at your marvelous TL, I have a few comments:
- So Princess Diana didn't die in Paris. Did it lead to more philanthropic work around the world, and thus a major PR boost for the UK/Commonwealth?
- A certain 17 year-old resident of Stratford, Ontario, remained an unknown entity (you know who I'm talking about, don't you?
). That's good. Do whatever it takes to keep him out of the spotlights - Canadian cinema did better ITTL. Would Ellen Page get an Oscar?
- Would it be too much to make "Soap" MacTavish Canadian due to the kick-ass Canadian SAS?
Yes. Diana survived the car accident without permanent injuries, though her boyfriend and bodyguard will killed in the crash as IOTL. She stayed working on her philanthrophic work, as well as being in the spotlight as William and Harry's mother, of course. And she has a rather strong dislike of Camilla. (But then again, who doesn't?)
A certain 17 year-old resident of Stratford, Ontario, remained an unknown entity (you know who I'm talking about, don't you?
I DO know who you are referring to. I did have the idea of him not being discovered and instead living the life of a normal, middle-class Canadian citizen.
I think that can be arranged somewhere along the line. Canadian media was somewhat bigger than OTL mostly in the TV fields - Flashpoint, The Border, Challengers, Little Mosque on the Prairie and a number of other good TV shows help that genre along - but it does not work great in the movie world until Northern Lights Productions comes along, with big-buck backing, and makes a killing on James Cameron's Avatar sequel. Ellen Page is still only 23, so it can be done quite easily.
Would it be too much to make "Soap" MacTavish Canadian due to the kick-ass Canadian SAS?
Ming beat ya to it in "Rise of the North". Soap is the leader of C Squadron, Canadian SAS.
Ming777
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Though for the game, perhaps a Canadian John MacTavish is made for Call of Duty but if simply a coincidence.
The one in the "real" Canadian SAS is a composite of Soap and two other special forces people, one from Philanthropy and one from Third Echelon. Lt. Samuel MacTavish
The one in the "real" Canadian SAS is a composite of Soap and two other special forces people, one from Philanthropy and one from Third Echelon. Lt. Samuel MacTavish
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Now that I've re-read your TL, I realized that you never quite mentioned HMCS Atlantica (the former FS Clemenceau) after her commission in 2006. What become of her? And when was HMCS Nova Scotia (former-USS Des Moines) retired?
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I've read over this thread and, since it centres a lot around the Canadian military, couldn't stop until I finished going through with it.
A couple small criticisms, though:
1) Tradition in the Canadian Army (Regular) demands that units serving full-time in peacetime (in other words, not mobilised for war, a la WW2) are not named with either provincial, regional or city names at all! Look what happened to the old 8th New Brunswick Hussars (Princess Louise's) in 1957 when it was permitted to form a Regular Army component; it was renamed 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's). Therefore, while I do like the idea of adding new regiments into the Regular Army order of battle, I don't believe either the Ontario Regiment (RCAC) or les Voltigeurs de Québec would fit into this role without renaming them. Certainly, the Royal Regiment of Canada could fit into that mould as (while it is a Militia unit based in Toronto), it doesn't have a regional or local name.
My believe is that if new battalions or regiments of the Canadian Army were added to the Regular Force order of battle, it would be units like the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (which had 2 active battalions active between 1954-1970), the Regiment of Canadian Guards (which had 4 active battalions active to one extent or another between 1954-1970 and could be reconstituted to be a bilingual regiment and given the French name le Régiment des Guardes Canadiennes), the 8th Canadian Hussars mentioned above (it served in the Regular Force from 1957-1998) or even the Royal Canadian Hussars (just drop the "Montréal" subtitle to the regiment).
2) Also, please keep in mind how brigades and brigade groups are properly composed. A mechanised brigade (as in a sub-unit of a division) in the British Commonwealth tradition would be structured this way:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
1 x Armoured Regiment (battalion-sized)
3 to 4 x Infantry Battalions
All support forces in this case (artillery, engineers, medical & dental, tactical aviation, combat service support, military police and intelligence) would be handled by specific division-level brigades/groups/units (artillery brigade, engineer brigade, health services group, tactical aviation wing, combat service support brigade, military police battalion, and intelligence company).
Now for a mechanised brigade group (which is independent of a division but could be merged in if necessary), we would go this way:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
1 x Armoured Regiment (battalion-sized); I would also include an integral reconnaissance squadron
3 or 4 x Infantry Battalions
1 x Field Artillery Regiment (battalion-sized); I would also incude an air defence battery (company-sized) & a target acquisition/locating battery
1 x Combat Engineering Regiment (battalion-sized); this would be composed of four field engineer squadrons and I would also include an armoured engineer squadron and a field park squadron (for engineer support duties)
1 x Tactical Aviation Squadron (mixed utility and attack helicopters)
1 x Field Ambulance (light battalion-sized); I would also include a dental platoon
1 x Service Battalion (combat service support teams, including transport, supply, maintenance and resource management companies)
1 x Military Police Company
1 x Intelligence Platoon
Now, for an armoured brigade (I would have one armoured brigade with 2 to 3 infantry brigades to make a combat division):
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
3 x Armoured Regiments (battalion-sized)
1 x Reconnaissance Regiment (battalion-sized)
1 x Infantry Battalion; I would also include an integral anti-armour company
And the armoured brigade group:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Armoured Regiments; would not require reconnaissance squadrons
1 x Reconnaissance Regiment
1 x Infantry Battalion; I would also include an integral anti-armour company
1 x Armoured Field Artillery Regiment with an air defence battery & a target acquisition/locating battery
1 x Armoured Combat Engineering Regiment; this would be composed of four armoured engineer squadrons, a field engineer squadron and a field park squadron
1 x Tactical Aviation Squadron
1 x Field Ambulance; I would also include a dental platoon
1 x Service Battalion
1 x Military Police Company
1 x Intelligence Platoon
Again, this is how I would see that sort of thing set up in the Canadian Army.
3) I noticed that you went all the way to restoring the "Royal" titles to the Canadian Navy and Air Force. Now, that being good (and I also agree to the idea that the Air Force should get their old rank titles back; the Navy got them back almost right after Unification back in 1968), I rather wondered why you didn't count in a potential new Canadian White Ensign in lieu of just using the Maple Leaf Flag as the war ensign for the name. Please remember, the Navy got the Executive Curl (a.k.a. Elliott's Eye) back on their officer's rank insignia during the Centennial year of 2010. So why not restore a White Ensign back to the fighting ships of the Navy?
Now, some would say that if we did do that, it'd be too much red on the flag (the thin St George's Cross and the National Flag in the canton). However, in examining similar navies' new ensigns, I noticed that some navies, while keeping the general design, changed the colour of the St George's Cross! For example, the Indian Navy went to a lighter red shade and incorporated the three-tiger insignia of their armed forces right at the apex of the cross. The South Africans actually made the cross green to match the green of their new flag.
So, my proposal for the Canadian White Ensign (and unfortunately, I don't have a decent graphics program on my computer to help me bring what I'm imagining to life) would be this (using heraldic terms): Argent, a slender Cross of St George azure, the National Flag of the Dominion of Canada in the first quarter proper.
In other words, a blue St George cross.
And with that back, the Maritime Command white ensign could be consigned to the history books as the National Flag would then be made the Navy Jack (the flag flown up at the bow of a ship).
Anyhow, again a very nice thread and just as enjoyable as your other ones, Mr. Mann. I hope to read more.
(P.S. If anyone is willing to make a graphic of the idea I had above for the Canadian White Ensign, I would be very glad to see it, as I believe would others!)
A couple small criticisms, though:
1) Tradition in the Canadian Army (Regular) demands that units serving full-time in peacetime (in other words, not mobilised for war, a la WW2) are not named with either provincial, regional or city names at all! Look what happened to the old 8th New Brunswick Hussars (Princess Louise's) in 1957 when it was permitted to form a Regular Army component; it was renamed 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's). Therefore, while I do like the idea of adding new regiments into the Regular Army order of battle, I don't believe either the Ontario Regiment (RCAC) or les Voltigeurs de Québec would fit into this role without renaming them. Certainly, the Royal Regiment of Canada could fit into that mould as (while it is a Militia unit based in Toronto), it doesn't have a regional or local name.
My believe is that if new battalions or regiments of the Canadian Army were added to the Regular Force order of battle, it would be units like the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (which had 2 active battalions active between 1954-1970), the Regiment of Canadian Guards (which had 4 active battalions active to one extent or another between 1954-1970 and could be reconstituted to be a bilingual regiment and given the French name le Régiment des Guardes Canadiennes), the 8th Canadian Hussars mentioned above (it served in the Regular Force from 1957-1998) or even the Royal Canadian Hussars (just drop the "Montréal" subtitle to the regiment).
2) Also, please keep in mind how brigades and brigade groups are properly composed. A mechanised brigade (as in a sub-unit of a division) in the British Commonwealth tradition would be structured this way:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
1 x Armoured Regiment (battalion-sized)
3 to 4 x Infantry Battalions
All support forces in this case (artillery, engineers, medical & dental, tactical aviation, combat service support, military police and intelligence) would be handled by specific division-level brigades/groups/units (artillery brigade, engineer brigade, health services group, tactical aviation wing, combat service support brigade, military police battalion, and intelligence company).
Now for a mechanised brigade group (which is independent of a division but could be merged in if necessary), we would go this way:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
1 x Armoured Regiment (battalion-sized); I would also include an integral reconnaissance squadron
3 or 4 x Infantry Battalions
1 x Field Artillery Regiment (battalion-sized); I would also incude an air defence battery (company-sized) & a target acquisition/locating battery
1 x Combat Engineering Regiment (battalion-sized); this would be composed of four field engineer squadrons and I would also include an armoured engineer squadron and a field park squadron (for engineer support duties)
1 x Tactical Aviation Squadron (mixed utility and attack helicopters)
1 x Field Ambulance (light battalion-sized); I would also include a dental platoon
1 x Service Battalion (combat service support teams, including transport, supply, maintenance and resource management companies)
1 x Military Police Company
1 x Intelligence Platoon
Now, for an armoured brigade (I would have one armoured brigade with 2 to 3 infantry brigades to make a combat division):
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron (company-sized)
3 x Armoured Regiments (battalion-sized)
1 x Reconnaissance Regiment (battalion-sized)
1 x Infantry Battalion; I would also include an integral anti-armour company
And the armoured brigade group:
1 x Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Armoured Regiments; would not require reconnaissance squadrons
1 x Reconnaissance Regiment
1 x Infantry Battalion; I would also include an integral anti-armour company
1 x Armoured Field Artillery Regiment with an air defence battery & a target acquisition/locating battery
1 x Armoured Combat Engineering Regiment; this would be composed of four armoured engineer squadrons, a field engineer squadron and a field park squadron
1 x Tactical Aviation Squadron
1 x Field Ambulance; I would also include a dental platoon
1 x Service Battalion
1 x Military Police Company
1 x Intelligence Platoon
Again, this is how I would see that sort of thing set up in the Canadian Army.
3) I noticed that you went all the way to restoring the "Royal" titles to the Canadian Navy and Air Force. Now, that being good (and I also agree to the idea that the Air Force should get their old rank titles back; the Navy got them back almost right after Unification back in 1968), I rather wondered why you didn't count in a potential new Canadian White Ensign in lieu of just using the Maple Leaf Flag as the war ensign for the name. Please remember, the Navy got the Executive Curl (a.k.a. Elliott's Eye) back on their officer's rank insignia during the Centennial year of 2010. So why not restore a White Ensign back to the fighting ships of the Navy?
Now, some would say that if we did do that, it'd be too much red on the flag (the thin St George's Cross and the National Flag in the canton). However, in examining similar navies' new ensigns, I noticed that some navies, while keeping the general design, changed the colour of the St George's Cross! For example, the Indian Navy went to a lighter red shade and incorporated the three-tiger insignia of their armed forces right at the apex of the cross. The South Africans actually made the cross green to match the green of their new flag.
So, my proposal for the Canadian White Ensign (and unfortunately, I don't have a decent graphics program on my computer to help me bring what I'm imagining to life) would be this (using heraldic terms): Argent, a slender Cross of St George azure, the National Flag of the Dominion of Canada in the first quarter proper.
In other words, a blue St George cross.
And with that back, the Maritime Command white ensign could be consigned to the history books as the National Flag would then be made the Navy Jack (the flag flown up at the bow of a ship).
Anyhow, again a very nice thread and just as enjoyable as your other ones, Mr. Mann. I hope to read more.
(P.S. If anyone is willing to make a graphic of the idea I had above for the Canadian White Ensign, I would be very glad to see it, as I believe would others!)
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BTW & FYI, here is how I would envision a Canadian Division:
Division Headquarters Troops
Canadian Division Headquarters
Signal Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 1 Squadron (Main Headquarters)
- 2 Squadron (Electronic Warfare)
- 3 Squadron (Alternate Headquarters)
- 4 Squadron (Signal Support and Workshop)
- Support Squadron (combat service support)
Military Police Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Brigade Military Police Companies (forward security)
- 1 x Division Troops Military Police Company (rear security)
- Support Company
Intelligence Company
Armoured Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Armoured Regiments
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Tank Squadrons
- Support Squadron
Reconnaissance Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Motorised Reconnaissance Squadrons
- Support Squadron
Infantry Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Rifle Companies
- Anti-Armour Company
- Support Company
3 x Mechanised Infantry Brigades
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
Armoured Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Tank Squadrons
- Support Squadron
4 x Infantry Battalions
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Rifle Companies
- Combat Support Company (reconnaissance, pioneer, anti-armour, sniper, mortar)
- Support Company
Artillery Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Field Artillery Regiments
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Field Batteries
Armoured Field Artillery Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Armoured Field Batteries
Air Defence Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Air Defence Batteries
Missile Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x MLRS Batteries
Locating Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- Target Acquisition Battery (forward observation teams)
- UAV Battery
- Radar Battery
- Brigade Workshop Battery
Engineer Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Combat Engineer Regiments
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- 4 x Field Squadrons
Armoured Engineer Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- 4 x Armoured Field Squadrons
Engineer Support Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- Construction Engineer Squadron
- Demolition Squadron
- Bridge Squadron
- Geomantics and Survey Squadron
- Equipment Maintenance (Field Park) Squadron
Tactical Aviation Wing
Wing Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Tactical Helicopter Squadrons
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Light Utility Flights
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Attack Helicopter Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Attack Helicopter Flights
- Air Observation Flight
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Utility Transport Helicopter Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Medium Utility Flights
- Medical Transport Flight
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Wing Maintenance Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 6 x Second-Line Maintenance Flights
- Wing Aerodrome Flight
- Support Flight
Health Services Group
Health Services Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Field Ambulances
- Ambulance Headquarters
- Triage Company
- Support Company
Medical Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters
- 4 x Medical Transport Companies
- Hospital Company
- Health Services Support Company
- Support Company
Dental Company
Combat Service Support Sustainment Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Service Battalions
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- 4 x Forward Service Support Companies
- General Service Support Company
Transportation Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Personnel Transportation Company
- Equipment Transportation Company
- Liquids Transportation Company
- Movement Control Company
Supply Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Materials Management Company
- General Supply Company
- Liquids Supply Company
- Ammunition Company
Maintenance Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Recovery Company
- Weapons Workshop Company
- Vehicle Workshop Company
- Technical Workshop Company
- Workshop Support (Field Park) Company
Resource Management Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Personnel Administration and Finances Company
- Information Operations Company
- Postal Company
Division Headquarters Troops
Canadian Division Headquarters
Signal Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 1 Squadron (Main Headquarters)
- 2 Squadron (Electronic Warfare)
- 3 Squadron (Alternate Headquarters)
- 4 Squadron (Signal Support and Workshop)
- Support Squadron (combat service support)
Military Police Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Brigade Military Police Companies (forward security)
- 1 x Division Troops Military Police Company (rear security)
- Support Company
Intelligence Company
Armoured Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Armoured Regiments
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Tank Squadrons
- Support Squadron
Reconnaissance Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Motorised Reconnaissance Squadrons
- Support Squadron
Infantry Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Rifle Companies
- Anti-Armour Company
- Support Company
3 x Mechanised Infantry Brigades
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
Armoured Regiment
- Regimental Headquarters Squadron
- 4 x Tank Squadrons
- Support Squadron
4 x Infantry Battalions
- Battalion Headquarters Company
- 4 x Rifle Companies
- Combat Support Company (reconnaissance, pioneer, anti-armour, sniper, mortar)
- Support Company
Artillery Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Field Artillery Regiments
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Field Batteries
Armoured Field Artillery Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Armoured Field Batteries
Air Defence Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x Air Defence Batteries
Missile Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- 4 x MLRS Batteries
Locating Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Support Battery
- Target Acquisition Battery (forward observation teams)
- UAV Battery
- Radar Battery
- Brigade Workshop Battery
Engineer Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
3 x Combat Engineer Regiments
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- 4 x Field Squadrons
Armoured Engineer Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- 4 x Armoured Field Squadrons
Engineer Support Regiment
- Regiment Headquarters and Administration Squadron
- Construction Engineer Squadron
- Demolition Squadron
- Bridge Squadron
- Geomantics and Survey Squadron
- Equipment Maintenance (Field Park) Squadron
Tactical Aviation Wing
Wing Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Tactical Helicopter Squadrons
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Light Utility Flights
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Attack Helicopter Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Attack Helicopter Flights
- Air Observation Flight
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Utility Transport Helicopter Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 4 x Medium Utility Flights
- Medical Transport Flight
- Maintenance and Support Flight
Wing Maintenance Squadron
- Squadron Headquarters Flight
- 6 x Second-Line Maintenance Flights
- Wing Aerodrome Flight
- Support Flight
Health Services Group
Health Services Group Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Field Ambulances
- Ambulance Headquarters
- Triage Company
- Support Company
Medical Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters
- 4 x Medical Transport Companies
- Hospital Company
- Health Services Support Company
- Support Company
Dental Company
Combat Service Support Sustainment Brigade
Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron
4 x Service Battalions
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- 4 x Forward Service Support Companies
- General Service Support Company
Transportation Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Personnel Transportation Company
- Equipment Transportation Company
- Liquids Transportation Company
- Movement Control Company
Supply Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Materials Management Company
- General Supply Company
- Liquids Supply Company
- Ammunition Company
Maintenance Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Recovery Company
- Weapons Workshop Company
- Vehicle Workshop Company
- Technical Workshop Company
- Workshop Support (Field Park) Company
Resource Management Battalion
- Battalion Headquarters and Administration Company
- Personnel Administration and Finances Company
- Information Operations Company
- Postal Company
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So, my proposal for the Canadian White Ensign (and unfortunately, I don't have a decent graphics program on my computer to help me bring what I'm imagining to life) would be this (using heraldic terms): Argent, a slender Cross of St George azure, the National Flag of the Dominion of Canada in the first quarter proper.
In other words, a blue St George cross.
And with that back, the Maritime Command white ensign could be consigned to the history books as the National Flag would then be made the Navy Jack (the flag flown up at the bow of a ship).
Anyhow, again a very nice thread and just as enjoyable as your other ones, Mr. Mann. I hope to read more.
(P.S. If anyone is willing to make a graphic of the idea I had above for the Canadian White Ensign, I would be very glad to see it, as I believe would others!)
For those who might be interested, I managed to get onto the Flag Thread II discussion at this webpage and, thanks to Kuld von Reyn, got the following below designed. For those who do like Canada wank threads, please feel free to use same in your future story episodes (with proper credit to myself for the design and Kuld for the graphics work, of course).
Cheers!
Hmmm... I'm not a real fan of that ensign... Looks far too... Russian/Finnish...? I don't know. Something about it looks somewhat strange for Canada.
Well, I had to avoid using red in that case because it would have been too much red on the flag (the cross slurring into the National Flag), even if you put some sort of white dividing border there.
OOC: Alright, it seems that there is still a lot of interest in this cool so I guess its time for an update.
2030s (Part 1)
By the 2030s, a new Cold War was officially under way, but unlike the old USSR-USA battle of the second half of the 20th Century, this one had a big twist in that the two sides of it were reliant on each other for economic purposes and investment reasons, as well as energy and geopolitical causes. This made it considerably less likely that the two sides would end up at war with each other, but it did also mean that both of the blocs, the GDT on one side and the Shanghai Co-Operation Organisation on the other, were in a case of economic competition backed by force, which some pessimists argued was a classic formula for unending war. But while that may have been true in past times, it was not really true now.
Owing to this fact, the United Nations began the task or reforming the Security Council in 2030. This was in large part agitated by many of the rising powers of the world, Germany, Japan and India in particular, who wanted more influence with the United Nations, noting that the UN's job co-ordinating relief work was largely being swamped by the efforts of the GDT and SCO. Realizing this, the first proposal called for twelve nations with permanent seats on the Security Council - the existing five, plus India, Germany, Japan, South Africa and Brazil, and with Canada and Iran added in as well, the former because of its extensive military and political influence and the latter to be a representative of Islam on the UNSC. Russia and China objected to this, wanting additional SCO members on the UNSC, which was pointed out by the Europeans that the SCO was overwhelmingly controlled and influenced by Moscow and Beijing. Russia and China decided to continue vetoing UNSC expansion, an act which started eventually getting on the nerves of the nations involved. India was the notable one - now by some margin the world's most populous nation, India was rapidly growing economically, and was doing its level best to milk both sides for every bit of influence it could, though by 2030 it was starting to again see that the West may well be able to provide more towards India's economic growth, and it started shoving on Moscow and Beijing to let the UNSC approve the growth of the UNSC.
The 2030 RIMPAC exercises showed the differences in the situation. Held in June and July, the four weeks or exercises was the largest such exercises ever, with four American aircraft carriers - Gerald R. Ford, George Washington, John C. Stennis and Ronald Reagan - facing off against four allied carriers - HMS Prince of Wales, HMCS Victorious, HMAS Australia and JS Haku, each with their own assembly of vessels. Canada's vaunted new Astute-class submarines were not there yet, but the three older Lake Superior-class subs were all in attendance, and they proved that they were still up to it. The British carrier had come to the exercises by steaming through the Northwest Passage, escorted through by Canadian icebreakers, while five South African vessels - destroyer Springbok, frigates Spioenkop and Mendi, submarine Manthatisi and supply ship Drakensberg - steamed through the Panama Canal to the exercises after visits in Brazil and Latin America, along with several Brazilian vessels, including Brazil's first home-built nuclear submarine, the NAeL Humaita, to join the exercises. Argentine, Chilean and Pervian vessels also took part by steaming around the Southern tip of South America and on to Hawaii. The fleet was so massive that they managed to actually crowd Pearl Harbor, whose expansive area had been figured big enough for any naval fleet. India also sent out its Russian-built Kirov-class battlecruiser, INS Mumbai, out to the exercises. The Asian warships were shadowed out by Chinese and Russian warships and a number of their submarines. This was protested on the surface, but the number of submarines twenty-one in all between the two nations - gave ASW crews lots of chances to practice. The Humaita, Brazil's first home-built nuclear sub, proved to be a good enough platform to track Russian cruise missile sub Irkutsk, much to the later consternation of the Russians and proud gloating by the Brazilians. China, which was rapidly improving its naval and air capabilities, flew a number of its H-8 Bombers, an improved variant of the Tupolev Tu-22M "Backfire" out to watch as well, though they were intercepted early by Japanese F-15 Eagles and again later on by British Typhoons from the Prince of Wales. The multiple attempts to watch this was rather irritating to some, but others saw it as a chance to prove that they could handle the snoopers. The exercise was marred by a collision between a Chinese Kilo-class SSK and American submarine Scranton, which resulted in damage to both vessels. Despite the Chinese skipper's claim that it was an accident, Beijing accused the US of attempting to run its submarines out of the area. An investigation found that the Chinese submarine was attempting to follow Japanese nuclear submarine Natsushio and in the process sideswiped the Scranton, but both submarines proceeded on their own power. The incident did reinforce, however, that the two power blocs were clearly not real happy towards one another.
Back in Canada, 2031 marked a milestone that once seemed impossible to reach - the end of large-scale electrical generation in Canada using fossil-fuel sources. The last coal-fired power plant in the nation, a facility near Lethbridge, Alberta, closed for good in 2031. Canada was by then making an amazing 94% of its power from either nuclear energy, waste-to-energy incinerators or renewable sources, from tidal power stations in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to hydroelectric dams in all provinces, wind turbines (most frequently seen in Newfoundland, Alberta and British Columbia) and solar power cells, from conventional cells to the space-based solar power plants operating in Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia. Pockets of smaller generators existed in remote parts of Canada, mostly in the north, but for virtually the whole nation, electricity was coming from renewable sources - with most of the 94% split between the country's 36 nuclear reactors and the vast hydroelectric projects in Ontario, Quebec and the Northwest Territories.
That same year, Gerald Bull's dream finally came true after over a decade of testing, as his giant 48-inch "Supergun" tested its first launch, using a massive damper and a scramjet-assisted launch setup to successfully launch a test satellite into orbit, with the scramjet launcher giving the test satellite an altitude of some 148 km above the Earth's surface. The test satellite only remained in space a matter of a few days, but the idea worked, using a combination of SRC's scramjet rockets and their monstrous gun, which both fired the launch platform at a considerable velocity and started the ramjet engine. Several more tests proved that indeed the idea could work for launching fairly small and low satellites, but for these launches, it was much cheaper than conventional rocket launches. This had no usage for the military or civilian usages, though SRC began the job of improving the gun, including planning a huge 78-inch variant with a barrel an incredible 832 feet long, which would allow for much, much bigger satellites to be launched.
The year after that, Canada's first spy satellite was launched on a license-built Delta IV rocket from a launch site near North Bay, Ontario, on May 23, 2032. That satellite, NVS-01, was a massive satellite, with radar, infrared and photographic capabilities, all powered by an on-board pebble-bed nuclear reactor with helium cooling which vented heat into space. The satellite began sending data to the Space Command building at National Defense HQ in Ottawa on May 26. Another such satellite were launched in 2033 for the same purpose. Despite each satellite costing nearly $1 Billion, the Forces and intelligence services were quite happy to have them, and noted that the satellites could play a number of roles both for civilian and military usage. The NVS project was one of the newest major accomplishments of the Canadian space engineers, who were also working on other projects as well as the reconnaissance projects.
cool so I guess its time for an update. 2030s (Part 1)
By the 2030s, a new Cold War was officially under way, but unlike the old USSR-USA battle of the second half of the 20th Century, this one had a big twist in that the two sides of it were reliant on each other for economic purposes and investment reasons, as well as energy and geopolitical causes. This made it considerably less likely that the two sides would end up at war with each other, but it did also mean that both of the blocs, the GDT on one side and the Shanghai Co-Operation Organisation on the other, were in a case of economic competition backed by force, which some pessimists argued was a classic formula for unending war. But while that may have been true in past times, it was not really true now.
Owing to this fact, the United Nations began the task or reforming the Security Council in 2030. This was in large part agitated by many of the rising powers of the world, Germany, Japan and India in particular, who wanted more influence with the United Nations, noting that the UN's job co-ordinating relief work was largely being swamped by the efforts of the GDT and SCO. Realizing this, the first proposal called for twelve nations with permanent seats on the Security Council - the existing five, plus India, Germany, Japan, South Africa and Brazil, and with Canada and Iran added in as well, the former because of its extensive military and political influence and the latter to be a representative of Islam on the UNSC. Russia and China objected to this, wanting additional SCO members on the UNSC, which was pointed out by the Europeans that the SCO was overwhelmingly controlled and influenced by Moscow and Beijing. Russia and China decided to continue vetoing UNSC expansion, an act which started eventually getting on the nerves of the nations involved. India was the notable one - now by some margin the world's most populous nation, India was rapidly growing economically, and was doing its level best to milk both sides for every bit of influence it could, though by 2030 it was starting to again see that the West may well be able to provide more towards India's economic growth, and it started shoving on Moscow and Beijing to let the UNSC approve the growth of the UNSC.
The 2030 RIMPAC exercises showed the differences in the situation. Held in June and July, the four weeks or exercises was the largest such exercises ever, with four American aircraft carriers - Gerald R. Ford, George Washington, John C. Stennis and Ronald Reagan - facing off against four allied carriers - HMS Prince of Wales, HMCS Victorious, HMAS Australia and JS Haku, each with their own assembly of vessels. Canada's vaunted new Astute-class submarines were not there yet, but the three older Lake Superior-class subs were all in attendance, and they proved that they were still up to it. The British carrier had come to the exercises by steaming through the Northwest Passage, escorted through by Canadian icebreakers, while five South African vessels - destroyer Springbok, frigates Spioenkop and Mendi, submarine Manthatisi and supply ship Drakensberg - steamed through the Panama Canal to the exercises after visits in Brazil and Latin America, along with several Brazilian vessels, including Brazil's first home-built nuclear submarine, the NAeL Humaita, to join the exercises. Argentine, Chilean and Pervian vessels also took part by steaming around the Southern tip of South America and on to Hawaii. The fleet was so massive that they managed to actually crowd Pearl Harbor, whose expansive area had been figured big enough for any naval fleet. India also sent out its Russian-built Kirov-class battlecruiser, INS Mumbai, out to the exercises. The Asian warships were shadowed out by Chinese and Russian warships and a number of their submarines. This was protested on the surface, but the number of submarines twenty-one in all between the two nations - gave ASW crews lots of chances to practice. The Humaita, Brazil's first home-built nuclear sub, proved to be a good enough platform to track Russian cruise missile sub Irkutsk, much to the later consternation of the Russians and proud gloating by the Brazilians. China, which was rapidly improving its naval and air capabilities, flew a number of its H-8 Bombers, an improved variant of the Tupolev Tu-22M "Backfire" out to watch as well, though they were intercepted early by Japanese F-15 Eagles and again later on by British Typhoons from the Prince of Wales. The multiple attempts to watch this was rather irritating to some, but others saw it as a chance to prove that they could handle the snoopers. The exercise was marred by a collision between a Chinese Kilo-class SSK and American submarine Scranton, which resulted in damage to both vessels. Despite the Chinese skipper's claim that it was an accident, Beijing accused the US of attempting to run its submarines out of the area. An investigation found that the Chinese submarine was attempting to follow Japanese nuclear submarine Natsushio and in the process sideswiped the Scranton, but both submarines proceeded on their own power. The incident did reinforce, however, that the two power blocs were clearly not real happy towards one another.
Back in Canada, 2031 marked a milestone that once seemed impossible to reach - the end of large-scale electrical generation in Canada using fossil-fuel sources. The last coal-fired power plant in the nation, a facility near Lethbridge, Alberta, closed for good in 2031. Canada was by then making an amazing 94% of its power from either nuclear energy, waste-to-energy incinerators or renewable sources, from tidal power stations in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to hydroelectric dams in all provinces, wind turbines (most frequently seen in Newfoundland, Alberta and British Columbia) and solar power cells, from conventional cells to the space-based solar power plants operating in Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia. Pockets of smaller generators existed in remote parts of Canada, mostly in the north, but for virtually the whole nation, electricity was coming from renewable sources - with most of the 94% split between the country's 36 nuclear reactors and the vast hydroelectric projects in Ontario, Quebec and the Northwest Territories.
That same year, Gerald Bull's dream finally came true after over a decade of testing, as his giant 48-inch "Supergun" tested its first launch, using a massive damper and a scramjet-assisted launch setup to successfully launch a test satellite into orbit, with the scramjet launcher giving the test satellite an altitude of some 148 km above the Earth's surface. The test satellite only remained in space a matter of a few days, but the idea worked, using a combination of SRC's scramjet rockets and their monstrous gun, which both fired the launch platform at a considerable velocity and started the ramjet engine. Several more tests proved that indeed the idea could work for launching fairly small and low satellites, but for these launches, it was much cheaper than conventional rocket launches. This had no usage for the military or civilian usages, though SRC began the job of improving the gun, including planning a huge 78-inch variant with a barrel an incredible 832 feet long, which would allow for much, much bigger satellites to be launched.
The year after that, Canada's first spy satellite was launched on a license-built Delta IV rocket from a launch site near North Bay, Ontario, on May 23, 2032. That satellite, NVS-01, was a massive satellite, with radar, infrared and photographic capabilities, all powered by an on-board pebble-bed nuclear reactor with helium cooling which vented heat into space. The satellite began sending data to the Space Command building at National Defense HQ in Ottawa on May 26. Another such satellite were launched in 2033 for the same purpose. Despite each satellite costing nearly $1 Billion, the Forces and intelligence services were quite happy to have them, and noted that the satellites could play a number of roles both for civilian and military usage. The NVS project was one of the newest major accomplishments of the Canadian space engineers, who were also working on other projects as well as the reconnaissance projects.
Thanks. This one, African Superpowers, In Defense of Humanity and my American transport TLs (The Future is Green and Transport America) are what I would call my works. This one has the most attention and views. Though I imagine that RogueBeaver probably hates it for the Progressive Conservative Party's survival and the fact that the Reform Party is a small, fringe party based almost entirely out of Alberta, and Tellus probably hates it because there hasn't been an NDP government.
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