Canadian Power: The Canadian Forces as a Major Power
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what happened to Saddam Hussein also you should give a list of Prime ministers
abc123
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A excellent TL the Mann. But, IMHO, canadian carriers use too much types of fighters: Tomcat, Hornet, Falcon and Eurofighter? Together?
Way too much IMO.
Didn't at one point, US Carriers carry the Hornet, Tomcat, Prowler and the Viking, in addition to all the support/helicopters?
Yep, as well as the A-6 Intruder and A-7 Corsair II, and in a couple cases, F-4 Phantom IIs are the same time, as well as ELINT versions of the A-3 Skywarrior.
abc123
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Prowler and Viking aren't fighters.
Better to have just one type of fighter, or eventually 2.
Let's say- Super Tomcat and Hornet or Eurofighter and Hornet or Super Tomcat and Eurofighter...
Well I would in some ways agree, but hey it's a wank, so I guess who cares?
If it were me, just have the Supercat and the Typhoon, one as a strike platform and the other as an air superiority platform. There is also the EW Platform that would be needed on a carrier that size as well as AEW plus COD and SAR duties.
If it were me, just have the Supercat and the Typhoon, one as a strike platform and the other as an air superiority platform. There is also the EW Platform that would be needed on a carrier that size as well as AEW plus COD and SAR duties.
Ming777
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Prowler and Viking aren't fighters.
Better to have just one type of fighter, or eventually 2.
Let's say- Super Tomcat and Hornet or Eurofighter and Hornet or Super Tomcat and Eurofighter...
Gulf War:
Standard Carrier Air Wings had F-14 Tomcats, F-18 Hornets, and A-6 Intruders.
US Navy is a little it bigger than RCN.
In absolute terms yes. In terms of the amount of budget spent on each carrier, no. It's a stretch, but not that big of one.
Ming777
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Day 10 Black Sunday
Canada loses 5-3 to USA (like otl) Brodeur-in net
Joanie Rochette’s mother suddenly suffers a heart attack; despite efforts from doctors and nurses, she passes away.
However the silver lining is the following:
Women’s 1500 m-
Groves-Silver
Men’s 2-man bobsled
Canada 2- silver
Men’s Ski Cross
Del Bosco-Bronze
Day 11 Golden Ice Dance
The following day saw much of Vancouver wanting blood. Martin Brodeur, whose highly questionable plays saw Canada lose a two goal lead into a shootout with Switzerland and made two questionable plays in the shocking 5-3 loss to the States. Many believed that Brodeur, part of the 2002 team that won Canada’s first Olympic Gold since 1976 (gotta break the cold streak sometime, not the 50 year drought we had), was simply not the same goalie who helped win gold 8 years ago. Many looked to the beloved Captain of the Canucks, Roberto Luongo, whose stellar performance in 2008 saw the Canucks win the Stanley Cup and gave then- beloved Captain Trevor Linden the perfect ending to his long, amazing career. Eventually, it was announced the Luongo would indeed start for Canada in the remainder of the games.
While debate raged on, a spectacular competition occurred in Pacific Colosseum. In the ice dancing competition, the race for gold came down to two pairs of skaters, who happened to be best friends, sharing coaches and training time. From the United States came Meryl Davis & Charlie White. Representing Canada were 22 year old Scott Moir and 20 year old Tessa Virtue. Moir and Tessa were paired in 1997 when they were nine and seven years old, respectively. As kids, both pairs were darlings to their hometowns, often gaining more attention than the local hockey teams. During the competition, both pairs performed beyond all expectations. Both pairs earned the best scores in the compulsory performance. Following their performances of a lifetime, both pairs anxiously awaited the final score. Then came the results, Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir scored 221.57, surpassing silver medalists Meryl Davis & Charlie White by 5.83 points, meaning that they won another Gold medal for Canada.
In Women's Hockey, Canada clinches gold medal spot after shutting Finland out 5-0.
Day 12- The Precious Tuesday
February 23 brought hope and anxiousness. For Canada, despite facing a relative newcomer in Men’s Hockey, many were more concerned about the following matchup. In a 9-1 tilt, Canada sent Germany packing and prepared to face the undoubtedly tough Russians. Luongo’s now confirmed status as starting goalie for the rest of the tournament, the cheers of “Luu!!!” now proved a boost to his teammates, many of whom dreaded the battle cry when playing against the Canucks.
Elsewhere, two medals came out from Women’s Ski Cross. Ashleigh McIvor won the competition, winning Canada’s first gold medal in the event. Surprisingly, Kelsey Serwa managed to hold onto the bronze. With this medal, Canada now tied its previous count of 24 medals in the 2006 Turin games.
Day 13- The Russian Wipeout
For many, the matchup with the Russians seemed dire. They seemed to have the skill and ability to knockout Canada from the tournament. However, as the night revealed, all the hoopla for the Russians came to naught. For in the night’s matchup, the Russians were annihilated to the jubilation of Canadian Hockey Fans. The result was 7-3 for Canada, meaning that the Russian dream team was now out of the tournament.
Elsewhere, Clara Hughes won Bronze in the Women’s 5000m; it is her last medal in the Winter Olympics. The audience erupted in a standing ovation as Hughes finished her personal victory lap, a fitting end to a wonderful career.
In the Short Track-Women’s 3000m, Canada made it to bronze. However, South Korea was disqualified due to violations of rules, leading to Canada getting the Silver medal.
2 women Bobsled, both Canadian teams were in the final round. When the dust settled, Canada 1 won Gold and Canada 2 won Silver, further adding to Canada's impressive medal hoard.
Canada loses 5-3 to USA (like otl) Brodeur-in net
Joanie Rochette’s mother suddenly suffers a heart attack; despite efforts from doctors and nurses, she passes away.
However the silver lining is the following:
Women’s 1500 m-
Groves-Silver
Men’s 2-man bobsled
Canada 2- silver
Men’s Ski Cross
Del Bosco-Bronze
Day 11 Golden Ice Dance
The following day saw much of Vancouver wanting blood. Martin Brodeur, whose highly questionable plays saw Canada lose a two goal lead into a shootout with Switzerland and made two questionable plays in the shocking 5-3 loss to the States. Many believed that Brodeur, part of the 2002 team that won Canada’s first Olympic Gold since 1976 (gotta break the cold streak sometime, not the 50 year drought we had), was simply not the same goalie who helped win gold 8 years ago. Many looked to the beloved Captain of the Canucks, Roberto Luongo, whose stellar performance in 2008 saw the Canucks win the Stanley Cup and gave then- beloved Captain Trevor Linden the perfect ending to his long, amazing career. Eventually, it was announced the Luongo would indeed start for Canada in the remainder of the games.
While debate raged on, a spectacular competition occurred in Pacific Colosseum. In the ice dancing competition, the race for gold came down to two pairs of skaters, who happened to be best friends, sharing coaches and training time. From the United States came Meryl Davis & Charlie White. Representing Canada were 22 year old Scott Moir and 20 year old Tessa Virtue. Moir and Tessa were paired in 1997 when they were nine and seven years old, respectively. As kids, both pairs were darlings to their hometowns, often gaining more attention than the local hockey teams. During the competition, both pairs performed beyond all expectations. Both pairs earned the best scores in the compulsory performance. Following their performances of a lifetime, both pairs anxiously awaited the final score. Then came the results, Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir scored 221.57, surpassing silver medalists Meryl Davis & Charlie White by 5.83 points, meaning that they won another Gold medal for Canada.
In Women's Hockey, Canada clinches gold medal spot after shutting Finland out 5-0.
Day 12- The Precious Tuesday
February 23 brought hope and anxiousness. For Canada, despite facing a relative newcomer in Men’s Hockey, many were more concerned about the following matchup. In a 9-1 tilt, Canada sent Germany packing and prepared to face the undoubtedly tough Russians. Luongo’s now confirmed status as starting goalie for the rest of the tournament, the cheers of “Luu!!!” now proved a boost to his teammates, many of whom dreaded the battle cry when playing against the Canucks.
Elsewhere, two medals came out from Women’s Ski Cross. Ashleigh McIvor won the competition, winning Canada’s first gold medal in the event. Surprisingly, Kelsey Serwa managed to hold onto the bronze. With this medal, Canada now tied its previous count of 24 medals in the 2006 Turin games.
Day 13- The Russian Wipeout
For many, the matchup with the Russians seemed dire. They seemed to have the skill and ability to knockout Canada from the tournament. However, as the night revealed, all the hoopla for the Russians came to naught. For in the night’s matchup, the Russians were annihilated to the jubilation of Canadian Hockey Fans. The result was 7-3 for Canada, meaning that the Russian dream team was now out of the tournament.
Elsewhere, Clara Hughes won Bronze in the Women’s 5000m; it is her last medal in the Winter Olympics. The audience erupted in a standing ovation as Hughes finished her personal victory lap, a fitting end to a wonderful career.
In the Short Track-Women’s 3000m, Canada made it to bronze. However, South Korea was disqualified due to violations of rules, leading to Canada getting the Silver medal.
2 women Bobsled, both Canadian teams were in the final round. When the dust settled, Canada 1 won Gold and Canada 2 won Silver, further adding to Canada's impressive medal hoard.
Typhoon is an air superiority strike fighter and guess what so is F18 and F16 (and Rafale)-all do the same thing with (depending on variant) to a similar level of ability.I doubt anyone would go through all the faff to navalise F16-not even the Japanese variant which would be nearer to what you'd be after.
Oh A3's were all withdrawn in the 70s with the specialist ones gone by the 80s. Prowlers are being replaced by the Growler (F18 variant), Vikings are ASW assetts (a la Orion but for carrier ops). No other navy except the US uses or envisages using a non helicopter type for carrier ASW-UK's Merlins are just as capable.
Oh A3's were all withdrawn in the 70s with the specialist ones gone by the 80s. Prowlers are being replaced by the Growler (F18 variant), Vikings are ASW assetts (a la Orion but for carrier ops). No other navy except the US uses or envisages using a non helicopter type for carrier ASW-UK's Merlins are just as capable.
Ming777
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The CF-16Ks are not the standard F-16s; they are based on the F-16XL, the delta winged variant that was the proposed alternative to the F-15E eagle.
The Argentinians still use RL Turbo Trackers (like the Canadian ones in this TL) and had recently deployed them to Brazil's aircraft carrier. (check the S2 Tracker wiki page). Also, the turbo tracker is still useful for other purposes such as recon, possibly as a tanker, among other roles.
KillerT, it's a Canada-wank, live with it
The Argentinians still use RL Turbo Trackers (like the Canadian ones in this TL) and had recently deployed them to Brazil's aircraft carrier. (check the S2 Tracker wiki page). Also, the turbo tracker is still useful for other purposes such as recon, possibly as a tanker, among other roles.
KillerT, it's a Canada-wank, live with it
I'm affraid that I have to agree with Killer T. I know it's a wank and all but still.
If Canada did still operate carriers it would be either one or two CDG sized vessels at most, roughly 45,000 tons (supercarriers are obsolete and increasingly unjustifiable), 40 aircraft, 2000 aircrew and one type of fighter, probably the F-18. It is completely uncessary to opperate three different types of fighter - the costs in purchase, training and maintainence just don't justify the minor advantages that it affords, especially for a moderate military power like Canada would be in this OTL.
Furthermore, even if it is a Delta winged F-16 - it would not be able to do anything better, (or cheaper) than an already existing navalised fighter like the - F-18 or Rafael. The development costs would not justify the result when said result already exists in a cheaper and tested form.
That said, looking forward to an update at some point.
Russell
If Canada did still operate carriers it would be either one or two CDG sized vessels at most, roughly 45,000 tons (supercarriers are obsolete and increasingly unjustifiable), 40 aircraft, 2000 aircrew and one type of fighter, probably the F-18. It is completely uncessary to opperate three different types of fighter - the costs in purchase, training and maintainence just don't justify the minor advantages that it affords, especially for a moderate military power like Canada would be in this OTL.
Furthermore, even if it is a Delta winged F-16 - it would not be able to do anything better, (or cheaper) than an already existing navalised fighter like the - F-18 or Rafael. The development costs would not justify the result when said result already exists in a cheaper and tested form.
That said, looking forward to an update at some point.
Russell
Ming777
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Olympics
Day 14- A Crowning moment of Heartwarming and a Crowning Moment of Awesome
This day came the final round of competition in women’s figure skating. Among the competitors was Joannie Rochette. In the face of the tragic loss of her mother, she resolved to do the best in her final performance and be able to make her mother proud. After an emotion-filled, yet dignified performance, she was given a standing ovation by the judges, the audience, and her competitors. In the end, she won the bronze medal, to the emotional ovation of the spectators. Later, she will be one of two people who were awarded the Terry Fox Award for her determination amid her personal loss.
In Women’s Hockey, Canada once again faced their perennial archrivals, the American Women’s hockey team. However, in the end, it ended without any doubt. Canada blanked out the Americans 2-0. In the final two minutes of the game, the audience began to sing O Canada, with the final words sung just before the final bell. With that, Canada won their eighth Gold Medal in the Vancouver Olympic Games.
Day 15-Triple Gold!!!
On the 26th of February, Canada was about to get a Gold Rush. In Women’s Curling, Cheryl Bernard and her team, representing Canada was in the final end just behind Sweden 7-6. Suddenly, the crowd began to sing O Canada, proving to be a great morale booster for the team. Finally, they did it, removing several of the swede rocks, and won the Gold medal in Women’s curling.
The 26th also saw three medals from Short Track speed skating. In the men’s 5000m relay, Canada edged out the South Koreans to win Gold. In the men’s 500m, everything went amok. In the final lap, Charles Hamlin, South Korean Sung Si-Bak, Apolo Ohno, and Francois Louis Tremblay were neck in neck when suddenly, the rear three collided. It was found that Apolo Ohno had pushed on Nak, which disqualified him from the medals. As a result, Hamelin, Sung, and Tremblay won Gold, Silver and Bronze Respectively.
For the second and final Friday, the cheering and celebrating became a virtual pandemic. The entire Lower Mainland became a massive party, stretching from Vancouver all the way to Mission. Every city was full of people having a good time. Whether be it in sports bars, in the numerous community celebration sites, or even at people’s homes, one could literally hear the region’s partying from miles away. The cheer reached the centres of every city in Canada, from BC to Newfoundland, from the tropical paradise that is Turk and Caicos to the Canadian Forces bases in Afghanistan.
In fact, in every corner of the world, Canadians were coming out to celebrate, with hundreds of Canadians partying in Time Square, thousands cheering in the streets of Hong Kong (which ironically left little room for the usual night-time criminal activities), and even the Royal Family reportedly wearing Canadian jerseys, much to the consternation of the British Public and the ever-negative British media.
Day 14- A Crowning moment of Heartwarming and a Crowning Moment of Awesome
This day came the final round of competition in women’s figure skating. Among the competitors was Joannie Rochette. In the face of the tragic loss of her mother, she resolved to do the best in her final performance and be able to make her mother proud. After an emotion-filled, yet dignified performance, she was given a standing ovation by the judges, the audience, and her competitors. In the end, she won the bronze medal, to the emotional ovation of the spectators. Later, she will be one of two people who were awarded the Terry Fox Award for her determination amid her personal loss.
In Women’s Hockey, Canada once again faced their perennial archrivals, the American Women’s hockey team. However, in the end, it ended without any doubt. Canada blanked out the Americans 2-0. In the final two minutes of the game, the audience began to sing O Canada, with the final words sung just before the final bell. With that, Canada won their eighth Gold Medal in the Vancouver Olympic Games.
Day 15-Triple Gold!!!
On the 26th of February, Canada was about to get a Gold Rush. In Women’s Curling, Cheryl Bernard and her team, representing Canada was in the final end just behind Sweden 7-6. Suddenly, the crowd began to sing O Canada, proving to be a great morale booster for the team. Finally, they did it, removing several of the swede rocks, and won the Gold medal in Women’s curling.
The 26th also saw three medals from Short Track speed skating. In the men’s 5000m relay, Canada edged out the South Koreans to win Gold. In the men’s 500m, everything went amok. In the final lap, Charles Hamlin, South Korean Sung Si-Bak, Apolo Ohno, and Francois Louis Tremblay were neck in neck when suddenly, the rear three collided. It was found that Apolo Ohno had pushed on Nak, which disqualified him from the medals. As a result, Hamelin, Sung, and Tremblay won Gold, Silver and Bronze Respectively.
For the second and final Friday, the cheering and celebrating became a virtual pandemic. The entire Lower Mainland became a massive party, stretching from Vancouver all the way to Mission. Every city was full of people having a good time. Whether be it in sports bars, in the numerous community celebration sites, or even at people’s homes, one could literally hear the region’s partying from miles away. The cheer reached the centres of every city in Canada, from BC to Newfoundland, from the tropical paradise that is Turk and Caicos to the Canadian Forces bases in Afghanistan.
In fact, in every corner of the world, Canadians were coming out to celebrate, with hundreds of Canadians partying in Time Square, thousands cheering in the streets of Hong Kong (which ironically left little room for the usual night-time criminal activities), and even the Royal Family reportedly wearing Canadian jerseys, much to the consternation of the British Public and the ever-negative British media.
I found out about this TL too late (still on page 3... ), but for some reason, seeing how well my mother country was doing ITTL warmed my heart (and I don't usually react emotionally to ATLs ).
You did Canada proud, TheMann... *broke down in tears*
Marc A
), but for some reason, seeing how well my mother country was doing ITTL warmed my heart (and I don't usually react emotionally to ATLs ).You did Canada proud, TheMann... *broke down in tears*
Marc A
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