General Mung Beans
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Agreed. Watergate being outed was a tragic event since there was no benefit to it's revealing and a whole of lot of bad effects.
Best losing Presidential candidate?
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Agreed. Watergate being outed was a tragic event since there was no benefit to it's revealing and a whole of lot of bad effects.
Allowing a blatantly criminal President to stay in office would really make a mockery of everything the United States supposedly stands for.
General Mung Beans
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So was Kennedy who was ten times for corrupt then Nixon having connections with the Mafia and guilty of blatant voter fraud in Illinois.
First of all, the alleged Mafia connection is tenuous at best, and secondly there's no reliable evidence of voter fraud in Illinois- not that it actually mattered in the grand sceme of things, as JFK carried Texas.
More to the point, that's a shitty attitude to have. One President was corrupt, therefore it's acceptable?
General Mung Beans
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There was voter fraud in Texas too-read A History of the American People by Mr. Paul Johnson. That's not my attitude either since Nixon was a pretty good President up till Watergate revealing it simply destroyed any trust in government and politicians which then caused wide cynicism and everyone was all the worse for it.
My usuall rebuttal to the Nixon-haters: "You break into one stupid hotel and your entire Presidency gets ruined" So, I have to say I'm with the General on that one. As to the topic at hand, I think I sympathize with Tom Dewey, I mean he ran like 2 or 3 times didnt he? Though I am unsure what his politics were I'm sure he couldnt be too bad.
Sean Mulligan
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Nixon resigned because even most of his fellow Republicans such as Goldwater felt disgusted with Nixon's actions. The scandal also to major reforms such as the Freedom of Information Act, new laws demanding more financial discloture from politicians, and an investigation into abuses by the CIA and the FBI.
General Mung Beans
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But it's bad effects outweigh the good and Nixon's plans such as a universal health care plan failed to come to fruitation. Certainly Nixon would have been a better President then the faceless, Ford.
I agree with GMB, though I doubt the Dems would let Nixon settle the healthcare debate so easily. Certainly he'd have prevented the demise of South Vietnam.
Not to keep banging on about this, but I've just realised how amusing it is that people who believe that Daley stole Illinois for Kennedy- which is essentially an urban legend- probably balk at the idea that there was anything seedy going on in Florida in 2000.
OK, pox on both your houses. In any case JFK still wins 276-246. In Florida, there were no dead voters voting or fake addresses. In the 1960's, such was the modus operandi. What I object to was Daley being puppetmaster at the Dem conventions. That is far worse than anything Rove ever did with the exception of the black baby thing in SC.
Quoted for truth. I'm not going to say that he was the best losing candidate, but he ties with Pat Robertson for sheer horrific humor value.
I was under the impression he said he'd heard of bad things, but did not describe participating in them himself.
EDIT:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_the_War_Statement
Here's his statement before Congress. That's a bit different from his testimony @WS.
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