Balthasar’s recovery - A Spanish TL

[kasumigenx]

After the ceremony, the royal family moved to Zaragoza. On October 5, the eve of second anniversary of the death of Queen Elisabeth, Philip IV and Balthasar Charles attended Vespers that night in her memory. That evening, the prince was ill and the next day, Saturday October 6, he had to stay in bed while the king went to the funeral. The disease, smallpox, spread rapidly, and on Tuesday, October 9, at 8 in the morning, the Archbishop of Saragossa gave him the Last Sacraments. It is said that the Host was exhibited until 3 o'clock, when it became a general procession to the Convent of Jesus, which then proceeded to Our Lady of Cogullada and brought in procession to the altar of La Seo where it was surrounded by candles and prayers. Balthasar Charles would recover and survive from Small Pox and marry Maria Anna of Austria.

By the late 1640’s sometime after the recovery of Baltasar Carlos and along with the peace with the Netherlands the Spanish would swap the Provinces of Cagayan, Ilocos, Pangasinan, Zambales and Pampanga and the land of Sulawesi with Mollucas with Portugal and the Spanish would focus on Mollucas along with Mindanao, the Five provinces would be the remaining parts of Luzon or Selurong which was not conquered by the Bruneians and the Portuguese would use that as a base of the missions to Japan, this would be a bad news for the Sultanates of Maguindanao and Sulu as the Spanish would covet the riches of Mindanao.

The main reason for the land swap was that Selurong/Luzon was useful for the Japanese trade but now that the Japanese had declared Sakoku, it had loss its value for the Spanish.

King Philip IV of Spain would soon remarry to Anna Marie Louise, Duchess of Montpensier after the recovery of his child.

 

[kasumigenx]

The marriage with Anne Marie Louise

In 1646, Mademoiselle met Charles, Prince of Wales. Her aunt, Queen Henrietta Maria of England, encouraged the idea of marrying Charles, stating he had taken a "fancy" to Mademoiselle, but nothing further was said at the time.

Soon after, at the death of Empress Maria Anna, Mademoiselle ceased all interest in the prince and thus sighed over a union with h, Emperor Ferdinand III. However, under the influence of Mazarin, Queen Anne, her aunt by marriage and regent for the young Louis XIV, ignored Mademoiselle's pleas. The "wealthiest single princess of Europe" was unable to marry the infant Louis XIV or his brother, the Duke of Anjou. Queen Anne suggested her brother, Cardinal Ferdinand of Austria, but Mademoiselle declined.

Queen Anne would arrange the marriage between Anne Marie Louise and her brother Philip IV of Spain who is now seeking for his second wife and her possessions were given back to the French King due to the marriage, she would provide the King of a daughter named Margaret Theresa on May 10, 1652 and a son named Charles on December 2, 1660 who would be the heir to the Burgundian inheritance of the Habsburgs, the Habsburgs would survive until the next century.

 

[kasumigenx]

Since 1633, Japan would close itself from the westerners which would cause Spain to lose its own influence to the Christians in Japan who would be left in isolation and no support from the Spanish, the Portuguese missionaries would stop arriving in Japan the parts of Luzon/Saludong given to the Portuguese would help the Portuguese as it is strategic for the Portuguese in their old trade with Japan, however, Japan is now closed themselves and they would be dependent on the Castilians on their colonies although the Portuguese would not convert the Pagans in their territory, although the Christians who were muslims would be continued to be prosetylized upon since the Portuguese would show their respect to the Pagan inhabitants of the land that they acquired as they were the rightful owners of them.

The main reason why the parts of Luzon or Saludong were given to the Portuguese is that they were the parts never conquered by the Bruneians and were part of the Majapahit Empire that was discovered by the Portuguese and these lands were unwanted by the Spanish while the lands conquered by the Bruneians remained parts of the Spanish crown and the lands of Brazil west of the Tordesillas treaty would go the Castilians as well as the Spice Islands going to the Spanish, the parts of Luzon that are under the Portuguese would later have the Tagarug or Tagala identity.

Both the Portuguese Saludong, Portuguese Sulawesi and the Portuguese Nusa Tengarra would be governed in the way they were governed during the times of Majapahit.

On 1660 Andres Malong would start a small revolt which would spark revolts in the rule of the Portuguese in Saludong and giving Andres Malong his own settlement which would result in the Portuguese reforming their rule in the area and due to him the Portuguese would also start a pogrom against the the descendants of Lakandula, Andres Malong’s agenda would be a success as the Portuguese would grant reforms in the rule in Saludong and the Portuguese would start persecutions against the descendants of Lakandula continuing the persecutions started by the Andres Malong revolt of the forcing the descendants of Lakandula to the Spanish ruled parts of Saludong or Nueva Castilla.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Anne Marie Louise and her brother Philip IV of Spain who is now seeking for his second wife and her possessions were given back to the French King due to the marriage

Why would they do that? Anne Marie Louise's wealth/possessions (five duchies, 2 sovereign principalities, etc) was what made her attractive. The French crown AFAIK didn't have the financial clout to buy these over (at the time) and no one wanted a foreigner controlling so much French territory.

On 1652, Infanta Marie Therese of Spain would marry Ferdinand IV, King of the Romans which would further enhance the alliance of both the branches of the Austrian royals.

What for? I assume Baltasar marries Maria Anna of Austria. So there would be no enhancement of the alliance. It would quite possibly be regarded as a waste. @Valena @Vitruvius can correct me, but AFAIK Felipe's plan for Maria Teresa was for her to become queen of France.

 

[Valena]

@Valena @Vitruvius can correct me, but AFAIK Felipe's plan for Maria Teresa was for her to become queen of France.

Plan A was indeed double marriage, as was common.
However, it was Austrian side apparently lukewarm about double match (otherwise Leopold would have been brought forth immediately as the replacement groom), since they did not want to continue to be entangled in struggle against France.
@Vitruvius @isabella - feel free to correct if I misremembered facts.

 

[isabella]

Why would they do that? Anne Marie Louise's wealth/possessions (five duchies, 2 sovereign principalities, etc) was what made her attractive. The French crown AFAIK didn't have the financial clout to buy these over (at the time) and no one wanted a foreigner controlling so much French territory.


What for? I assume Baltasar marries Maria Anna of Austria. So there would be no enhancement of the alliance. It would quite possibly be regarded as a waste. @Valena @Vitruvius can correct me, but AFAIK Felipe's plan for Maria Teresa was for her to become queen of France.

No, double matches were quite usual and Spain often planned that (Anna of Austria to Louis XIII and Elisabeth of France to Felipe IV was one of them) and we know who Ferdinand IV of Austria was engaged to Maria Teresa of Spain and who at the same time Balthasar Carlos of Spain was engaged to Maria Anna of Austria and both engagements failed for the premature death of the grooms.

Plan A was indeed double marriage, as was common.
However, it was Austrian side apparently lukewarm about double match (otherwise Leopold would have been brought forth immediately as the replacement groom), since they did not want to continue to be entangled in struggle against France.
@Vitruvius @isabella - feel free to correct if I misremembered facts.

No, Maria Teresa was her father’s potential heiress so is pretty likely who Austria was interested in Maria Teresa for Leopold (who then waited years for Maria Teresa’s half-sister) but Spain was more interested in a French match as Leopold was younger than MT.
Louis XIV was plan A for Marie Therese only AFTER the death of Ferdinand (while Marie Therese was almost always plan A for Louis XIV with Henriette of England as plan B and a Savoy princess as plan C)

 

[kasumigenx]

I will have Henriette of England for Louis XIV.

 

[isabella]

I will have Henriette of England for Louis XIV.

Good as both will be happier than OTL in their wedding with a more compatible partner (and Henriette will have a crown)...
Maybe Monsieur can marry their cousin Marguerite Louise of Orleans (the OTL Grand Duchess of Tuscany) and her younger sister Françoise Madeleine can marry her OTL husband

 

[kasumigenx]

Good as both will be happier than OTL in their wedding with a more compatible partner (and Henriette will have a crown)...
Maybe Monsieur can marry their cousin Marguerite Louise of Orleans (the OTL Grand Duchess of Tuscany) and her younger sister Françoise Madeleine can marry her OTL husband

Or have him marry Liselotte sooner than OTL.

 

[Vitruvius]

No, double matches were quite usual and Spain often planned that (Anna of Austria to Louis XIII and Elisabeth of France to Felipe IV was one of them) and we know who Ferdinand IV of Austria was engaged to Maria Teresa of Spain and who at the same time Balthasar Carlos of Spain was engaged to Maria Anna of Austria and both engagements failed for the premature death of the grooms.

No, Maria Teresa was her father’s potential heiress so is pretty likely who Austria was interested in Maria Teresa for Leopold (who then waited years for Maria Teresa’s half-sister) but Spain was more interested in a French match as Leopold was younger than MT.
Louis XIV was plan A for Marie Therese only AFTER the death of Ferdinand (while Marie Therese was almost always plan A for Louis XIV with Henriette of England as plan B and a Savoy princess as plan C)

Maria Teresa was not in fact engaged to Ferdinand IV as is often suggested. Philip IV and Olivares were considering her marriage to Louis XIV as early as 1642-43 in hopes that it would secure peace with France which was desperately needed by Spain. The idea was that territorial losses in Roussillon and Artois could be disguised as a dowry for Maria Teresa allowing Spain a face saving settlement with France which would allow them to concentrate on putting down the Portuguese and Catalan revolts. This was basically the goal of Spanish foreign policy even after the downfall of Olivares and the death of Balthasar Carlos. Spain would of course hesitate on the French match while Philip had no other heirs but at the same time they were not prepared to tie her up in an engagement to Austria which would limit their options in settling hostilities with France.

Once Austria made Peace with France at Westphalia (which specifically excluded Spain) the Austrian match became even less likely as Spain has nothing to gain by linking her in marriage to the Austrian heir. As late as Maria Anna's marriage to Philip IV in 1649 there was still no engagement. Her brother, Ferdinand, escorted her as far as Milan (nearest Spanish territory) where he wrote to Philip requesting permission to accompany her to Madrid where he was to ask for the hand of Maria Theresa. The Spanish court pointedly refused as they were still holding back Maria Theresa in hopes of a French match and associated peace settlement. So her ultimate marriage to Louis really was somewhat inevitable from the moment Spain's fortunes began to fade in the early 1640s barring a sudden revival which of course never happened OTL.

 

[kasumigenx]

Maria Teresa was not in fact engaged to Ferdinand IV as is often suggested. Philip IV and Olivares were considering her marriage to Louis XIV as early as 1642-43 in hopes that it would secure peace with France which was desperately needed by Spain. The idea was that territorial losses in Roussillon and Artois could be disguised as a dowry for Maria Teresa allowing Spain a face saving settlement with France which would allow them to concentrate on putting down the Portuguese and Catalan revolts. This was basically the goal of Spanish foreign policy even after the downfall of Olivares and the death of Balthasar Carlos. Spain would of course hesitate on the French match while Philip had no other heirs but at the same time they were not prepared to tie her up in an engagement to Austria which would limit their options in settling hostilities with France.

Once Austria made Peace with France at Westphalia (which specifically excluded Spain) the Austrian match became even less likely as Spain has nothing to gain by linking her in marriage to the Austrian heir. As late as Maria Anna's marriage to Philip IV in 1649 there was still no engagement. Her brother, Ferdinand, escorted her as far as Milan (nearest Spanish territory) where he wrote to Philip requesting permission to accompany her to Madrid where he was to ask for the hand of Maria Theresa. The Spanish court pointedly refused as they were still holding back Maria Theresa in hopes of a French match and associated peace settlement. So her ultimate marriage to Louis really was somewhat inevitable from the moment Spain's fortunes began to fade in the early 1640s barring a sudden revival which of course never happened OTL.

So Maria Teresa is still marrying the King of France, perhaps Henriette or the Savoyard lass can marry the Holy Roman Emperor as a proxy bride to the Austrians that might be a good idea and Liselotte marries her OTL husband earlier than OTL.

 

[Vitruvius]

Finding a bride for Ferdinand IV depends a lot on the context. He'll likely delay marring until Maria Theresa is married as he'd probably hold out hopes of marrying her until the bitter end. So if he lives past Maria Theresa's marriage and things proceed more or less as OTL he'd be looking for a bride in the late 1650s or early 1660s. Savoy would probably be seen as French given their close relationship with France at the time, but maybe if the Austrians feel they need to seek rapprochement with France. Henrietta Stuart would probably still be snapped up by the French and anyways she won't be attractive until/unless her brother is fully restored which may be too late for Ferdinand.

There was a discussion a while back about potential German brides. One of the Hesse-Darmstadt princesses was considered since that line had always been pro-Imperial (due to their rivalry with the Calvinist pro-Swedish Kassel branch) and two of them converted to Catholicism OTL, one to marry the Count Palatine of Neuburg (later Elector Palatine) Philip William. I can't really remember who else was mentioned. But, again context may be key. How strong is Austria in the Empire given changes elsewhere? How strong is Spain? What kind of settlement is reached between Spain and France and Spain and Portugal? What is the situation in Italy? These considerations could push Ferdinand towards a French, Italian or German candidate.

 

[kasumigenx]

Finding a bride for Ferdinand IV depends a lot on the context. He'll likely delay marring until Maria Theresa is married as he'd probably hold out hopes of marrying her until the bitter end. So if he lives past Maria Theresa's marriage and things proceed more or less as OTL he'd be looking for a bride in the late 1650s or early 1660s. Savoy would probably be seen as French given their close relationship with France at the time, but maybe if the Austrians feel they need to seek rapprochement with France. Henrietta Stuart would probably still be snapped up by the French and anyways she won't be attractive until/unless her brother is fully restored which may be too late for Ferdinand.

There was a discussion a while back about potential German brides. One of the Hesse-Darmstadt princesses was considered since that line had always been pro-Imperial (due to their rivalry with the Calvinist pro-Swedish Kassel branch) and two of them converted to Catholicism OTL, one to marry the Count Palatine of Neuburg (later Elector Palatine) Philip William. I can't really remember who else was mentioned. But, again context may be key. How strong is Austria in the Empire given changes elsewhere? How strong is Spain? What kind of settlement is reached between Spain and France and Spain and Portugal? What is the situation in Italy? These considerations could push Ferdinand towards a French, Italian or German candidate.

So I will go with Savoy instead.

 

[kasumigenx]

Treaty of the Pyrenees

On 1656, the treaty of Pyrenees was signed marrying off Princess Marie Therese to Dauphin Louis with the Provinces of Artois and Roussillon be ceded to France and formally ending the support of anyone with the Braganza claimants to the Portuguese crown including that of England as the Portuguese Cortes would be happy as it already had its Brazilian and Majapahit territories in the West and East of the Globe.

Emperor Ferdinand would be married off to Margaret Yolande of Savoy, the runner up bride of Dauphin Louis and her dowry would be paid by the dowry of Princess Marie Therese, Margaret Yolande would be said to be the Queen who would have improved the genetic composition of the House of Habsburg due to their marriage but the marriage would turn out to be great as she would be less related to her husband and their marriage would be successful.

 

[isabella]

Treaty of the Pyrenees

On 1656, the treaty of Pyrenees was signed marrying off Princess Marie Therese to Dauphin Louis with the Provinces of Artois and Roussillon be ceded to France and formally ending the support of anyone with the Braganza claimants to the Portuguese crown including that of England as the Portuguese Cortes would be happy as it already had its Brazilian and Majapahit territories in the West and East of the Globe.

Emperor Ferdinand would be married off to Margaret Yolande of Savoy, the runner up bride of Dauphin Louis and her dowry would be paid by the dowry of Princess Marie Therese, Margaret Louise would be said to be the Queen who would have improved the genetic composition of the House of Habsburg due to their marriage but the marriage would turn out to be great as she would be less related to her husband and their marriage would be successful.

The princess of Savoy is Margaret Yolande. Margaret Louise is the eldest daughter of Gaston, Duke of Orleans by his second wife

 

[kasumigenx]

The princess of Savoy is Margaret Yolande. Margaret Louise is the eldest daughter of Gaston, Duke of Orleans by his second wife

That is a typo, ninja'd.