Another preview of one of my timelines
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Changing the Islamic World...
Considering the harsh nature of the Middle East, there are very few PODs that actually allow for a logical and peaceful Middle East without ASBs in the period post-1865. In the interests of preventing any major debate, I have been searching for some religious movements to counter the violence. The first step was the creation of an economic infrastructure system, which I posted earlier. The second was to find historical movements that could act as an effective counter balance to Islamic extremist movements. PLease consider the following when designing the Middle East:
A) Mírzá Husayn-'Alí (1817-1892) (a.k.a. Bahá'u'lláh, meaning "the Glory of God") In OTL, Baha'u'llah became the messianic prophet for the Bahai' Faith proclaiming the unity of religions from Iran, banished from the Islamic faith starting in 1853, and completely in 1863 after making his declaration of prophethood in Garden of Ridvan. As such it received a minor cult following throughout the Middle East proclaiming the unity of all faiths and the divinity of the prophets. As such, consider in the ATL, what if in the Garden of Ridvan, consider the idea of the non-violent teachings of Baha'u'llah being embraced by the clerics. In the ATL, consider the idea that he doesn't aspire to messianic prophethood, but is considered one in the process...
B)Subh-i Azal (1831-1912) During the pivotal movement when the non-violent Babi' Movement was based in Baghdad, after being crushed by the Persian government in 1863, Subh-i Azal and Baha'u'llah engaged in a split in the movement, which diluted the power of the non-violence movement in the Middle East. Forced to move to Constantinople by the Persian government, the group became more fractious, with the Baha'u'llah going with his followers to Accra, Syria and Subh-i Azal goping with his followers to Famagusta, Cyprus.
While these ideas seem like minor PODs, the change would have been enormous step, developing a major non-violent movement to counter the Wahabi/Salafist Islamic violence that becgan starting in the 1880s. Please consider this a major ATL POD....
Considering the harsh nature of the Middle East, there are very few PODs that actually allow for a logical and peaceful Middle East without ASBs in the period post-1865. In the interests of preventing any major debate, I have been searching for some religious movements to counter the violence. The first step was the creation of an economic infrastructure system, which I posted earlier. The second was to find historical movements that could act as an effective counter balance to Islamic extremist movements. PLease consider the following when designing the Middle East:
A) Mírzá Husayn-'Alí (1817-1892) (a.k.a. Bahá'u'lláh, meaning "the Glory of God") In OTL, Baha'u'llah became the messianic prophet for the Bahai' Faith proclaiming the unity of religions from Iran, banished from the Islamic faith starting in 1853, and completely in 1863 after making his declaration of prophethood in Garden of Ridvan. As such it received a minor cult following throughout the Middle East proclaiming the unity of all faiths and the divinity of the prophets. As such, consider in the ATL, what if in the Garden of Ridvan, consider the idea of the non-violent teachings of Baha'u'llah being embraced by the clerics. In the ATL, consider the idea that he doesn't aspire to messianic prophethood, but is considered one in the process...
B)Subh-i Azal (1831-1912) During the pivotal movement when the non-violent Babi' Movement was based in Baghdad, after being crushed by the Persian government in 1863, Subh-i Azal and Baha'u'llah engaged in a split in the movement, which diluted the power of the non-violence movement in the Middle East. Forced to move to Constantinople by the Persian government, the group became more fractious, with the Baha'u'llah going with his followers to Accra, Syria and Subh-i Azal goping with his followers to Famagusta, Cyprus.
While these ideas seem like minor PODs, the change would have been enormous step, developing a major non-violent movement to counter the Wahabi/Salafist Islamic violence that becgan starting in the 1880s. Please consider this a major ATL POD....
Straha said:
Yup. Things could get quite expensive and troublesome for them there.
Okay, although that does reduce the advantage of the gang labour system.
I'd suspect it is, for all practical purposes, complete within a generation of being started. At most, 2% of the population would be considered Aborigines, and it would probably be considerably less, unless anyone with even a touch of 'native' ancestry is targeted. That wouldn't really take all that many years to remove if *Australia is making an effort. Call it 20, and that's probably an over-estimate.
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Robert Barnwell Rhett 1880-1884(assasinated)(D)
John Breckinridge 1884-1886(D)
Hiram Evans 1886-1892(P)
Major CSA parties: Democratic Party and Plantation Party
The Age of Empire
Conner "States Rights" Gist 1892-1898(D)
Richard "Rooney" lee 1898-1900(P)
William "Bronzefist" Jackson 1900-1904(D)
Tom Watson 1904-1910(D)
Wade Hampton IV 1910-1913(D)(assasinated)
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