Andrew Jackson dies in the Revolution
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Longer lasting Bank of the United States and a more stable economy...perhaps Henry Clay becomes POTUS at some point?
The Democratic Party probably dies sometime in the 19th century, and the Socialists replace it. The Whig Party probably lasts longer as a potent third party in the 1860's with the Republicans, Democrats, and Whigs compeating for power. The Whigs finally die in the 1870's or 1880's.Blochead said:
Imajin said:Hm, the question is how the 1824 and 1828 elections go. I suppose John Quincy Adams will still win in 1824, possibly without a "corrupt bargain" to smear him in 1828I'd expect he wins a close reelection.
Now that I think about it, what happens to the country without Jackson at New Orleans in 1812, never mind the elections!
Disagree on the Battle of New Orleans. The British sent what should have been an entirely adequate force, and Jackson's performance was unusually good. Even if the British still bungle their deployment, They ought to be able to take the city. And if they do, it won't be American for a while.
But if we handwave a highly competent American with no political aspirations in place, then 1824 depends on whether John Calhoun stays in the race for President or acknowledges his loss early as in OTL and strikes his VP deal with Adams and Crawford. I haven't crunched the numbers yet, but we could see 1) Adams with 2 terms and Calhoun safely in the Senate, or 2) a Crawford Presidency. I find Calhoun's victory in 1824 highly improbable.
I'm fond of letting the Democrats coalesce around Thomas H. Benton for 1832, but there are other options.
But if we handwave a highly competent American with no political aspirations in place, then 1824 depends on whether John Calhoun stays in the race for President or acknowledges his loss early as in OTL and strikes his VP deal with Adams and Crawford. I haven't crunched the numbers yet, but we could see 1) Adams with 2 terms and Calhoun safely in the Senate, or 2) a Crawford Presidency. I find Calhoun's victory in 1824 highly improbable.
I'm fond of letting the Democrats coalesce around Thomas H. Benton for 1832, but there are other options.
Matt said:
He got captured by the Brits somehow and whacked upside the head by the flat of an officer's sword for being disrespectful. His mother got him out of the brig, but died soon afterwards.
He sort of raised himself in the backwoods after that.
Well if the British take the city it will be the USA who has to risk going to war again. Given how things turned out in the last couple of years, thats unlikely to be overly popular.
As for the ghost of Napoleon.. well he is cooling his heels in Elba at the moment if memory recalls and won't worry the world for the better part of two months.
But regardless, turning all threads involving 19th century America into wars with Britain or an earlier Civil war is somewhat pointless.
Could there be a potentially stronger Congress/Senate without Jackson?
As for the ghost of Napoleon.. well he is cooling his heels in Elba at the moment if memory recalls and won't worry the world for the better part of two months.
But regardless, turning all threads involving 19th century America into wars with Britain or an earlier Civil war is somewhat pointless.
Could there be a potentially stronger Congress/Senate without Jackson?