So I guess this has been done over and over again, but really I d like to examine what would have happened if the Norse had survived in Vinland and what effects would it have if other events remained the same
An umpteenth Vinland timeline
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The Norse built their first settlements on the isle of Newfoundland, at Saint Anthony, Port aux Basques, St Johns and Placentia. The Norse community of some 2,500 people by 1050, which ammounted to almost 5000 people by 1100 AD. The native Beothuk numbered 3000 at the time. At first, the relations were good,and the island was divided into a Norse area (blue-gray) and Beothuk interior (green).
The Norse have brought iron working, and agriculture, and most importantly cattle with them. Their later expeditions saw establishment of trade outposts on the Anticosti isle, and settlement of cape Breton island (in 1143) and Prince Edward island (1161). At first, the Vinlanders were pagan, but Christianity arrived in 1145, penetrating into the Placentia and northern Peninsulas. The result was a civil war, with Christianity taking over the whole island by 1159. The remaining Norse pagans fled south to Cape Breton island.
Trade with the Mikmaq saw the first penetration and technology advancement among Native Americans. the Mikmaq surrender eastern part of cape Breton island to the Norse by 1185, and get iron makin skills and weapons and cattle in exchange. Unfortunately, European diseases spread also with the new technology, with the major penetration routes being the coast , the Saint Lawrence river, the Ohio, the Mississippi and the Missouri.
By 1200 AD the Norse in Newfoundland number 11 000, (Beothuks 4000), Norse in Anticosti 500, Cape Breton island has a Norse population of 5000 and Prince Edward Island 4000. (Total Vikngs in North America: 20 500.)
The Norse have brought iron working, and agriculture, and most importantly cattle with them. Their later expeditions saw establishment of trade outposts on the Anticosti isle, and settlement of cape Breton island (in 1143) and Prince Edward island (1161). At first, the Vinlanders were pagan, but Christianity arrived in 1145, penetrating into the Placentia and northern Peninsulas. The result was a civil war, with Christianity taking over the whole island by 1159. The remaining Norse pagans fled south to Cape Breton island.
Trade with the Mikmaq saw the first penetration and technology advancement among Native Americans. the Mikmaq surrender eastern part of cape Breton island to the Norse by 1185, and get iron makin skills and weapons and cattle in exchange. Unfortunately, European diseases spread also with the new technology, with the major penetration routes being the coast , the Saint Lawrence river, the Ohio, the Mississippi and the Missouri.
By 1200 AD the Norse in Newfoundland number 11 000, (Beothuks 4000), Norse in Anticosti 500, Cape Breton island has a Norse population of 5000 and Prince Edward Island 4000. (Total Vikngs in North America: 20 500.)
Beothuk numbers may have been highervas it was warmer at the time, meaning more game for the hunters. Later the number increased due to their trade with the Nirse and hiw they picked up their technology.
The diffusion of Iron ore up the Saint Lawrence river results in its early adoption by both the Huron and the Iroquis. Further routes reach Cahokia, which at its time is a center of a mound-building culture in Illinois and areas to its southwest. Their adoption of such technology gives them a large advantage over their neighbours. Thez expand along the river, until finding a common border with the Caddoan and the Natchez cultures.
The Iroquis , living in Upstate New York, expand into Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. The Shawnee, living in Kentucky, do not take such a large advantage from it, although they selves become an important country as well. By 1330s, however the Shawnee, the Kickapoo, and the Miami are subdued by Cahokia. The Cahokian empire gradually manages to assimilate the neighbouring tribes.
By around 1350s, iron working reaches Arizona and New Mexico. This results in a possibility of creating a unified empire in the area, although the attempts to do so fail. The Hohkam, Pueblo and Mogollon, weakenning themselves in petty wars. There fore, they would be easily subdued by the Apache and Navajo invaders.
The Norse wars with the Mikmaq (1286-1291), (1302-1305), (1310-1312) over Nova Scotia result in the Norse conquest thereof, and built a wall across the Isthmus of Chigmecto. This area was settled by both pagans and Christians, while the Christians establish trading posts in the lower St. Lawrence river areas and along the coast of New Brusnwick and Maine.
The Archbishopric of Vinland, stablished in 1185, was to cover all lands beyond the Ocean Sea. Gradually, Christian missionaries begin to convert the Potawatomi of Maine and New Brunswick, as well as the Wendat in lower Quebec, and the Pennacook of New Hampshire are the next to follow.
In 1345, however, the Miqmak conquer Nova Scotia.
The Iroquis , living in Upstate New York, expand into Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. The Shawnee, living in Kentucky, do not take such a large advantage from it, although they selves become an important country as well. By 1330s, however the Shawnee, the Kickapoo, and the Miami are subdued by Cahokia. The Cahokian empire gradually manages to assimilate the neighbouring tribes.
By around 1350s, iron working reaches Arizona and New Mexico. This results in a possibility of creating a unified empire in the area, although the attempts to do so fail. The Hohkam, Pueblo and Mogollon, weakenning themselves in petty wars. There fore, they would be easily subdued by the Apache and Navajo invaders.
The Norse wars with the Mikmaq (1286-1291), (1302-1305), (1310-1312) over Nova Scotia result in the Norse conquest thereof, and built a wall across the Isthmus of Chigmecto. This area was settled by both pagans and Christians, while the Christians establish trading posts in the lower St. Lawrence river areas and along the coast of New Brusnwick and Maine.
The Archbishopric of Vinland, stablished in 1185, was to cover all lands beyond the Ocean Sea. Gradually, Christian missionaries begin to convert the Potawatomi of Maine and New Brunswick, as well as the Wendat in lower Quebec, and the Pennacook of New Hampshire are the next to follow.
In 1345, however, the Miqmak conquer Nova Scotia.