An Age of Miracles: The Revival of Rhomanion

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Yes, but there's a big difference between "a bit of interaction" and overseas commerce being a big thing.

Unlike China, Japan doesn't have everything it conceivably needs or wants within its own borders.

I agree with you on that, I am just pointing out that Sakoku isn't as airtight.

That is true for most countries on the planet, but the Japan did have everything in needed, they just didn't have everything they wanted. The Japanese built their houses out of wood up until WWII for a reason, they can't mine good stone, they also didn't use guns, and so didn't need much in the way of the ingredients for gunpowder. Though they did use guns before Sakoku came into effect and then abandoned them afterwards. Japanese culture is very much based around getting the best out of what you have, it always has been and that is why some of the world's best electronics come out of the nation that has no natural resources to make them and why Japanese guns were the best in the world (before ditching them of course) despite not having the natural resources to produce a crapton of them.
 
But why couldn't Japan pursue something like British style isolationism, which is to say, trade and stuff go on without the restrictions (well, most of them) but Japan treats anything beyond the protection of the (IJN?) as "let them bicker, while we profit."

That sounds like what China IOTL was trying to achieve. Japan ITTL doesn't have the same level of scale or resources, but that sort of isolation could still be dangerous if it means the operating political system becomes out of touch with the rest of the world.
 
That sounds like what China IOTL was trying to achieve. Japan ITTL doesn't have the same level of scale or resources, but that sort of isolation could still be dangerous if it means the operating political system becomes out of touch with the rest of the world.

Not sure China ever had that extensive trade - as in, Chinese going out and trading, though.
 

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That's a good question Elfwine, but the problem is, Japan wasn't really known as a sea-faring people. I don't think they've involved themselves in major naval battles prior to Meiji, with the exception being (OTL of course) against Korea in 1592-1598 and against rival damiyos on other islands.
 
That's a good question Elfwine, but the problem is, Japan wasn't really known as a sea-faring people. I don't think they've involved themselves in major naval battles prior to Meiji, with the exception being (OTL of course) against Korea in 1592-1598 and against rival damiyos on other islands.

And . . . this can't change? They're a nation of islands, being sea-faring wouldn't be like trying to get Russia to do so.
 

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Well it could, though again, with all the divisions Japan had with its damiyo, might not be too feasible unless they can get their stuff together, and by that I mean have the government centralized under the emperor or shogun who is more interventionalist.
 
The Roman navy could make the Aegean too hot for the Milanese to operate there. But it can't match it outside of there, and if a forward defense was attempted by Sicily and failed, it wouldn't be able to defend the Aegean either. So it's a choice of 1) try to defend everything, maybe succeed, but if you lose, you lose pretty much everything or 2) Defend the Aegean, which keeps the heartland safe but abandons the rest.

I do have plans for Japan. But at this point, talking about the area would just be a monotonous litany of daimyos whacking each other.


Short but important update.

"The best laid plans of mice and men will often go awry."-Opening line from Of Mice and Men, 19th century Roman novel set during the Time of Troubles

1537: The death of his father could not come at a more propitious moment for Bayezid. He is at Hormuz, and thanks to the galleys docked along the quays of the third city of the Ottoman Empire, his travel time to Baghdad is half that of Konstantinos and Osman Komnenos, both of whom are in the provincial capital of Mazandaran, Sari. It is a city of 12,000 souls, known for its fine gardens and orchards, a famous madrasa, and several tombs of Sufi saints.

Sari has well recovered from its destruction at the hands of Timur, but the main architect of its revival, Konstantinos, is in poor shape. Two weeks before the death of his best friend and Sultan, he collapsed during a troop review. Although he is on the mend, he is still weak and bed-ridden, clearly in no position to command armies.

That would not be such a big deal, if Osman wasn’t quarantined at the Komnenid Caspian seaside villa with the Black Death. According to the physicians it is unlikely he will live. With Konstantinos’ growing age, many of his allies and subordinates have with Konstantinos’ approval been looking more and more to Osman for leadership.

Short, with a tendency to chubbiness and a broken nose from a skirmish with Cossack sea raiders when he was twenty, Osman whilst healthy is not much to look at. An indifferent archer and swordsman, he is however a skilled rider with an eye for artillery, as demonstrated at Tarain. He is a devout Sunni Muslim, but with a strong inclination towards Sufism, of which he is a great patron.

He is also, despite his name, thoroughly Persian. Persian is his first tongue, and by far his favorite, in which he has written several pieces of (bad) poetry. He can also speak and write Turkish, but his spoken Greek is atrociously bad and he is illiterate in that language. His wife is also Persian, from Khuzestan, and his two daughters have Persian names. Still despite his Persian-ness Osman is fiercely committed to his family name ‘Komnenos’, and is quite proud of being the great-grandson of a Kaisar-i-Rum and having Andreas Niketas as a great uncle. That said, he has no interest in fighting for his ‘rights’ in Rhomania, which is a land he has never even seen.

But his purple blood serves him little in the spring. With his hold on life tenuous, his supporters abandon him to support Bayezid. With little fuss, Bayezid is proclaimed Sultan of E-raq and E-ran. His first act is to try and cut the Komnenoi down to size in their current weakness, distributing offices, bribes, and marriages to wean away supporters.

He also relies heavily on his new connections amongst the tribes of the eastern territories. With the corps of janissaries and sipahis behind him, plus the Mesopotamian and Hormuz urban azabs and a vast host of tribal cavalry, Sultan Bayezid is clearly more than a match for the Komnenid forces of Persian armored lancers and Mazandari urban azabs.

Bayezid’s tactics are a clear success, and by the time both Konstantinos and Osman make full recoveries, it is too late. The Sultan does not attempt to destroy them however. Firstly, he prefers to humiliate them instead, and also the forces they can still muster, although not a match for his troops, still are strong enough to command respect. Thus Bayezid contents himself with their public submission in Baghdad, where he formally invests them as joint governors of Mazandaran and only Mazandaran.

But one of his first official acts is to send a gift to Constantinople, the remains of Basil Palaiologos/Komnenos’ family, who were executed on Bayezid’s order. Per the Ottoman envoy’s request (Bayezid’s orders), Basil was present when they were delivered to the White Palace. It took three guards to tear the old man away from the envoy, who had his nose, three fingers, and a rib broken.

Bayezid, per his agreement, formalizes the Baghdad-Milan alliance, and begins making preparations. The first priority is to withdraw troops from the east. By significant concessions to tribal autonomy, Bayezid is able to withdraw substantial garrisons from the region, for instance only maintaining forces in Ghazni and Kabul in the northeast regions. He is also able, through outlays of gold and marriage alliances with chieftains, to draw thousands of tribal cavalry to his banners.

The lands along the Indus cannot be so lightly fortified though, but even these provinces do not require too heavy of a hand. Their immediate neighbors to the east are petty micro-states left over from the collapse of the Delhi Sultanate. Beyond them lie the far more formidable powers of Bihar and Vijayanagar, but neither are capable of projecting serious power beyond the Doab and the Narmada river respectively. Bayezid judges six thousand men and eighteen galleys enough to defend the region, given that Kashmir’s reigning monarch is eighty two and near death.

He is completely unaware that a new player has arrived in the region, as four Portuguese vessels sail into Kozhikode harbor. Some of them meet with Deva Raya II in great Vijayanagar, now the second-largest city in the world, resoundingly impressed by the vast metropolis and its seven walls. The audience goes well, as the Emperor would like a counter to the Romans and Ethiopians, and the Portuguese are allowed to establish a quarter in Kozhikode with their own church, bakery, and well.

As forces are gathered, Bayezid also begins extending feelers into Rhomania. He has already been contacted by Muslim dissidents from within the Empire, including some in the pay of the Abbasid Caliph. But the Sultan is not satisfied with the level of Muslim dismay at Constantinople, and so seeks to increase it in the most decisive manner, by triggering a Roman crackdown on its Muslim population.

The first few months of Alexeia’s marriage are a quiet time. For the first time since the days of Demetrios Megas, the ‘base’ taxes of the Empire, the land, head, and property taxes are raised (Theodoros IV raised income, but by inventing new taxes, streamlining tax collection, and developing industry and trade) by 10%. Although it affects all Imperial subjects, it vexes the Muslims as it is another tax hike.

One method proposed at the time to raise more income is to institute tax brackets, whereby those with a higher level of income are taxed at a higher rate. When Alexeia broaches the suggestion with the School of Law at the University of Constantinople, the professors resoundingly denounce the idea. It is considered contrary to the principle that all men are equal under the law. The idea is dropped.

One idea that is not dropped thanks to Andronikos is the rescinding of the Nikephorean decree that non-Orthodox religious structures cannot be repaired. Whilst the construction of new ones is still outlawed, already existing ones can be refurbished, redecorated, and enlarged, provided their height does not exceed that of the tallest church. Providing a boost to the construction industry, it applies to Catholics, Armenians, Copts, Jews, and Muslims, although the height restrictions of the Third Nullification Act still apply to mosques.

Also at the same time the rights of the Jews are confirmed. They are allowed to remain in ghettos, as the Jews request, since they view the segregation as a good defense against conversion efforts, in which they are allowed the full exercise of their religion. Jews may partake in any trade or craft they desire, are not required to wear any distinguishing clothing or markings, and are to be subject to no extra taxes beyond that of Orthodox followers save the synagogue tax. At the same time, Jews are offered for the first time the option of spreading out the tax for an entire tax period, rather than having to pay the whole lump sum every five years.

An offer to similarly delineate the rights of the Armenians (in this context, Armenian is a religious, NOT an ethnic label) is rejected, as it is rightly believed that it would end up decreasing their privileges. Armenians suffer no de facto persecution, and are even allowed to build new churches. The only real restriction is a glass ceiling preventing them from rising above mid-level bureaucratic or military ranks.

Even so, many get past the stricture by being Orthodox in public and Armenian in private. Strategos Mikayel Apkarian, commander of the Optimatic tagma, put it this way. “The Strategos is Orthodox. Mikayel is Armenian.” This practice is well-known but ignored by Orthodox officials, and the result is that the Armenian race (now in an ethnic sense), though it makes up only about 8% of the Empire’s population, fills almost 40% of the Empire’s secular high offices. The Empire is clearly a good place to be an Armenian, a fact they will not forget.

Andronikos of Chalkis meanwhile creates the musical piece that becomes the theme music for the Vigla, the Watch, or more commonly known as the Imperial Guard. Named ‘the Imperial March’, it has gone through some renditions, but the modern version used today (not always in the original context) remains little changed from the original (Modern rendition).

Unfortunately that is his only major creation. When spring comes, smallpox accompanies it. The epidemic ‘only’ kills twenty four thousand, but one of them is Andronikos who dies on the morning April 14. Alexeia changes into mourning garb, and is barely dressed before tragedy strikes again. In the afternoon, she miscarries, losing her and Andronikos’ son.

It is too much. She locks herself away in her apartments, and the only one she sees is Fyodor of Yaitsk. After two weeks she emerges, but with Andronikos gone there is no one to counter Fyodor’s influence over the Empress. Andreas Angelos had been on a naval training exercise when a storm dismasted his vessel, breaking his leg in four places. Whilst all this is going on, he is laid up in Attaleia, where he along with his son Isaakios both contract smallpox.

The current situation is regarded as absolutely intolerable by Alexeia’s court. There has been growing discontent over the growing harshness of the Nullification Acts. No one had expected things to have gone this far, and many are worried that continued repression will drive the Muslims into Ottoman arms. Even Constantinople Patriarch Isidore II does not like the level of soft power Fyodor has, as he considers the Russian monk an illiterate boor and while he agrees with the aim of ‘purifying’ the Empire, he thinks the current method ham-fisted at best.

On May 9, the Megas Domestikos Konstantinos Gabras and Patriarch Isidore II present Alexeia with a proposal on how to deal with the Roman Muslims. In it, they suggest abolishing the Second and Third Acts, whereby Muslims were outlawed from money-lending to Christians and from having mosques more than half the height of churches, as pointlessly antagonistic. The First Act is to be rewritten, with the Muslim tax hikes halved; the Fourth, regulating Muslim ownership of livestock, is left intact.

Fyodor stoutly contests the proposal, and is currently drafting a Fifth Nullification Act. But one advantage Konstantinos and Isidore have is that before his death they had enlisted Andronikos’ help. They have a preliminary draft with the musician’s comments on it, which they present to the Empress (although not before Konstantinos remarks that Andronikos seemed most adept in economics for a musician).

One part of the proposal does go through without trouble. In August Crown Prince Timur arrives in Samarkand from Urumqi, where he had heavily defeated the Tieh Third Banner Army. His tactics hinged on cavalry ‘fire teams’ consisting of supporting horse archers and black horses, armed with firearms made by the foundries of Samarkand, Bukhara, and Merv. There he finds several newly arrived Roman technicians in Timurid pay, who are teaching the gunsmiths how to manufacture kyzikoi. Timur immediately takes to the weapon, outfitting his heavy shock cavalry with them.

For several weeks though the rest of the proposal is fiercely debated, a time during which Ioannes Komnenos, youngest son of Theodoros, arrives in the Queen of Cities. His father remains in Aleppo. On June 1, an assassin in the pay of Bayezid guns down Fyodor just outside the White Palace compound, shouting “Allahu ackbar!”

Bayezid gets exactly what he wants. On June 9, the Fifth Nullification Act is passed. Under it, by pain of death, the Muslim faith is hereby outlawed in the Roman Empire.


End Part 12: Empire of Blood and Gold

Begin Part 13: The Time of Troubles
 
And the fine line between "stupid" and "suicidal" is crossed.

Byzantium cannot afford that kind of anti-Muslim policy. :eek:
 
Andronikos of Chalkis meanwhile creates the musical piece that becomes the theme music for the Vigla, the Watch, or more commonly known as the Imperial Guard. Named ‘the Imperial March’, it has gone through some renditions, but the modern version used today (not always in the original context) remains little changed from the original (Modern rendition).

I hope the Roman Empire is better than the Galacic Empire.

Bayezid gets exactly what he wants. On June 9, the Fifth Nullification Act is passed. Under it, by pain of death, the Muslim faith is hereby outlawed in the Roman Empire.
Every Emperor and Empress and Manuel II to Andreas Niketas is now really spinning in their graves.


calling it now: the Roman Empire commits Genocide.
 
It would be easy to lay all of this on Alexeia, but here a severe humbling is needed for the whole roman upper class.

Really look forward to how the romans can get out of this mess without losing everything south of Antioch.


EDIT: Mathalamus, the Romans won't have the time to commit a Genocide (even if their troops were willing to do it). No worries about that.
 
Alexeia's actions are at least understandable. No matter how sane someone might be, seeing the people you love taken away from you one by one, with the last violently assassinated could push anyone over the edge.

Interesting legal approach to the tax question. I'd imagine the administrative complexity of an expansive income tax system would be too much to bother with in this period, anyway. On the other hand, taxing the interest of bonds sold in Constantinople, or establishing new fees on joint-stock companies/early corporations might be more worthwhile. Corporate structures could leverage Roman positions in the Indian Ocean with less need for direct intervention by Constantinople, after all.
 
It would be easy to lay all of this on Alexeia, but here a severe humbling is needed for the whole roman upper class.

Really look forward to how the romans can get out of this mess without losing everything south of Antioch.

EDIT: Mathalamus, the Romans won't have the time to commit a Genocide (even if their troops were willing to do it). No worries about that.

Leaving argument on how likely it is that they can for later. . .

I think we do need to lay this on Alexeia. But that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be beaten into the heads of far more than just her that Rhomania's ability to control territory otherwise perfectly within its reach depends on finding ways that it can be pluralistic and multiethnic while still being "Roman".

Especially in the East. A tolerant Rhomania ruling Muslims might be acceptable for most Muslims most of the time. This? A lot of good will just went up in smoke.
 
Alexeia's actions are at least understandable. No matter how sane someone might be, seeing the people you love taken away from you one by one, with the last violently assassinated could push anyone over the edge.

Well that made her actions understandable. however, even she would have realized it was not a smart thing to do.

also, i was slightly surprised that the Patriarch of the Orthodox church was supporting Muslims. i didn't think that would happen, even in Rhomania.
 
also, i was slightly surprised that the Patriarch of the Orthodox church was supporting Muslims. i didn't think that would happen, even in Rhomania.

The vibe I got was that he subscribes to the light handed tolerance that leads to conversion rather than oppression.

Like how you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, he doesn't support Muslims at all, he wants them gone, he just does not think that opressing them is the right way to do it.
 
Also I am wondering who on earth is going to take Alexia's place once this is all over, house Komnenos is in bad shape.

Andreas Angelos and his son are both sick with smallpox, the Arletian, Hungarian, Egyptian, and Eastern Komnenoi are not interested in taking the throne, Alexia has no heir and no children.

The only Komnenos I think would want the throne would be Theodoros's son Ioannes, who just came to Constatinople. Though I forget what his other kids are.

Am I missing any Komenos? Or will the dynasty end up no longer ruling the country once this is all over?
 
I know everyone is worried about the shit hitting the fan in Rhomania, but honestly, all I can think is that this is a magnificent display of realpolitic by Bayezid. Even if it is cold, he has recognized that, even were his motives totally laid bare (which is next to impossible) he would still be viewed in a posetive light by most Muslims. I honestly can't see him losing this one without falling off a cliff while on campaign or pulling an Alexios or something.
 

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Such a policy will surely bite back on the Romans hard, I see rebellions going up in Egypt and the Levant, thankfully Anatolia is saved, since the Turks would have been largely assimilated into Roman culture and Eastern Orthodox religion.
 
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