The Copts have never tried to break away from the Empire since that'd be suicidal. They need Imperial Tagmas to protect them from the Muslim majority and angry Arabs & Turks to the east. The Empire just gave them a whole load of autonomy to placate them from a position of weakness following the ToT, and have been clawing back power ever since.
An Age of Miracles Continues: The Empire of Rhomania
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@Bronze: Western border in post #6429 looks good. As for Alexandria, everything within the city walls is Roman territory, and not one square centimeter outside. The legal idea being expressed here is that a city with a wall is defined by said wall; if any hinterland was to have been ceded it would’ve been delineated in the Articles.
Regarding the table, I changed Anatolic to Anatolikon and Armeniac to Armeniakon. The later names are more authentic and not Latinizing, hence why I’ve been using them lately. The posted map dates from before I made the switch. I also changed a few cities’ names to make them more Greek rather than Latinized. Also I upped Alexandria’s population since there’s a reference of it having 90,000 in the late 1590s. A couple of cities also changed themes (Nicaea and Chalkis) and I added a few more to bring the number up to 50 and give some of the underrepresented themes some more examples.
Regarding the table, I changed Anatolic to Anatolikon and Armeniac to Armeniakon. The later names are more authentic and not Latinizing, hence why I’ve been using them lately. The posted map dates from before I made the switch. I also changed a few cities’ names to make them more Greek rather than Latinized. Also I upped Alexandria’s population since there’s a reference of it having 90,000 in the late 1590s. A couple of cities also changed themes (Nicaea and Chalkis) and I added a few more to bring the number up to 50 and give some of the underrepresented themes some more examples.
Huh ill have to reread all the ToT stuff since i basically binge read it in a day and didn't compartmentalize it well lol
Do you think there's anyone crazy enough to attempt to name and organize all 171 kephalates?
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Yes, and unfortunately that person is me. Here is a day's worth of researching a number of prominent cities of Rhomania, sorted into the multiple themes, with modern-day and historical names attached. It does come with the caveat that 1) many of these cities were destroyed over the years and replaced by new ones in the vicinity and I had to assume the cities were rebuilt ITTL; 2) the cities' names did not change over the years, the spelling isn't particularly standardized; 3) I had to assume the number of kephalates assigned to each mesazon were not equal across the board, as some regions were smaller or less populated than others. I had to get creative as the borders weren't clear from the maps I used, but I was able to approximate which cities fell in which theme from the spreadsheet.
Please feel free to correct and modify this list for your own reference, @Basileus444 , and keep up the fantastic work!
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Yes, and unfortunately that person is me. Here is a day's worth of researching a number of prominent cities of Rhomania, sorted into the multiple themes, with modern-day and historical names attached. It does come with the caveat that 1) many of these cities were destroyed over the years and replaced by new ones in the vicinity and I had to assume the cities were rebuilt ITTL; 2) the cities' names did not change over the years, the spelling isn't particularly standardized; 3) I had to assume the number of kephalates assigned to each mesazon were not equal across the board, as some regions were smaller or less populated than others. I had to get creative as the borders weren't clear from the maps I used, but I was able to approximate which cities fell in which theme from the spreadsheet.
Please feel free to correct and modify this list for your own reference, @Basileus444 , and keep up the fantastic work!
That's bloody well beautiful. But, assuming that the bolded cities are thematic capitals, are you sure that Alexandria and Theodosiopolis are the capitals of Kibyrrhaiotia and Armeniakon respectively @Daedalus?
Edit: nope, I'm stupid. Now I've read that little note about largest cities being bolded.
Edit: nope, I'm stupid. Now I've read that little note about largest cities being bolded.
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Awesome dude you'll also have to add the new theme of Mesopotamia, once @Basileus444 add the threadmark for the Roman-Ottoman war conclusion.
I hate to disappoint you then but you put 49 cities in there
(first line are descriptions).@Basileus444, I did some digging and found some more population statistics. However, they seem a little... weird. See for yourself.
Poor poor Antioch.
Theme | Names | Population in 1435 | Change (1435-1535) | Population in 1535 | Change (1535-1550) | Population in 1550 | Change (1550-1640) | Population in 1640 |
Direct Imperial administration | Constantinople | 330,000 | 2,000 | 332,000 | -62,000 | 270,000 | 70,000 | 340,000 |
Syrian | Antioch | 155,000 | -45,000 | 110,000 | -45,000 | 65,000 | 110,000 | 175,000 |
Macedonian | Thessaloniki | 125,000 | -2,000 | 123,000 | -81,000 | 41,000 | 139,000 | 180,000 |
Optimatic | Nicaea | 76,000 | 1,000 | 77,000 | -27,000 | 50,000 | 45,000 | 95,000 |
Thrakesian | Smyrna | 73,000 | 3,000 | 76,000 | 24,000 | 100,000 | 40,000 | 140,000 |
Chaldean | Trebizond | 64,000 | 3,000 | 67,000 | -36,000 | 31,000 | 36,000 | 67,000 |
Syrian | Aleppo | 52,000 | 1,000 | 53,000 | -41,000 | 12,000 | 45,000 | 57,000 |
Macedonian | Dyrrachium | 46,000 | 3,000 | 49,000 | -24,000 | 25,000 | 26,000 | 51,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Attaleia | 39,000 | 3,000 | 42,000 | 5,000 | 47,000 | 4,000 | 51,000 |
Optimatic | Nicomedia | 32,000 | -4,000 | 28,000 | -7,000 | 21,000 | 19,000 | 40,000 |
Helladic | Corinth | 25,000 | 3,000 | 28,000 | 13,000 | 41,000 | 8,000 | 49,000 |
Anatolikon | Ikonion | 23,000 | | | | 7,000 | 4,000 | 11,000 |
Anatolikon | Kaisareia | 21,000 | -10,500 | 10,500 | -6,500 | 4,000 | 3,000 | 7,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Nicosia | 18,000 | 1,000 | 19,000 | 3,000 | 22,000 | 3,000 | 25,000 |
Anatolikon | Ankyra | | | 14,000 | -8,000 | 6,000 | 2,000 | 8,000 |
Armeniakon | Amaseia | | | 10,000 | -2,000 | 8,000 | 2,000 | 10,000 |
Armeniakon | Theodosiopolis | | | 14,000 | -14,000 | 0 | 13,000 | 13,000 |
Bulgarian | Serdica | | | | | 4,000 | 3,000 | 7,000 |
Bulgarian | Varna | | | | | 7,000 | 4,000 | 11,000 |
Chaldean | Sinope | | | 4,500 | 1,500 | 6,000 | 6,000 | 12,000 |
Chaldean | Theodoro | | | 6,000 | 3,000 | 9,000 | 3,000 | 12,000 |
Helladic | Athens | | | 7,500 | 3,500 | 11,000 | 7,000 | 18,000 |
Helladic | Demetrias | | | 7,000 | 1,000 | 8,000 | 3,000 | 11,000 |
Helladic | Larissa | | | 8,000 | 1,000 | 9,000 | 4,000 | 13,000 |
Helladic | Monemvasia | | | 11,500 | 5,000 | 16,500 | -500 | 16,000 |
Helladic | Mystras | | | 7,000 | 3,000 | 10,000 | 4,000 | 14,000 |
Helladic | Patras | | | 7,000 | 2,000 | 9,000 | 2,000 | 11,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Alexandria | | | | | 60,000 | 50,000 | 110,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Chalkis | | | 5,500 | 1,500 | 7,000 | 1,000 | 8,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Chandax | | | 11,000 | 4,000 | 15,000 | 3,000 | 18,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Myra | | | 6,000 | 2,000 | 8,000 | 2,000 | 10,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Rhodes | | | 5,000 | 1,000 | 6,000 | 2,000 | 8,000 |
Kibyrrhaiot | Venetia | | | | | 54,000 | 18,000 | 72,000 |
Macedonian | Serres | | | | | 5,000 | 5,000 | 10,000 |
Opsikian | Abydos | | | 9,500 | 2,500 | 12,000 | 4,000 | 16,000 |
Opsikian | Adramyttium | | | 8,000 | 3,000 | 11,000 | 4,000 | 15,000 |
Opsikian | Kyzikos | | | 7,500 | 2,500 | 10,000 | 16,000 | 26,000 |
Opsikian | Pergamon | | | | | 6,000 | 10,000 | 16,000 |
Opsikian | Prousa | | | | | 15,000 | 17,000 | 32,000 |
Optimatic | Kotyaion | | | | | 3,000 | 10,000 | 13,000 |
Syrian | Acre | | | | | 7,000 | 31,000 | 38,000 |
Syrian | Tarsus | | | 9,000 | 0 | 9,000 | 21,000 | 30,000 |
Syrian | Tyre | | | | | 9,000 | 28,000 | 37,000 |
Thracian | Adrianople | | | | | 25,000 | 20,000 | 45,000 |
Thracian | Arkadiopolis | | | | | 7,000 | 3,000 | 10,000 |
Thracian | Mesembria | | | 6,000 | 2,000 | 8,000 | 2,000 | 10,000 |
Thrakesian | Chonae | | | 9,500 | 2,500 | 12,000 | 2,000 | 14,000 |
Thrakesian | Ephesus | | | 12,000 | 4,500 | 16,500 | 18,500 | 35,000 |
Thrakesian | Sardis | | | 6,000 | 1,500 | 7,500 | 2,500 | 10,000 |
Poor poor Antioch.
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Im pretty sure its just the floaty part. No Hinterland. What would be the hinterland is under Sicilian occupation
Edit: Wait Rome has an enclave in livorno????
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Does the Syrian frontier look right @Basileus444? The map that was there in your update regarding the Demetrian Truce was rather low-res, so I fear I may have veered a little off-track concerning this border.
From north to south, the cities on the mainland are Aleppo, Antioch, Tripoli,Beirut (which I will remove from the final map because I mistook it for Tyre), Sidon, Tyre, Acre and Gaza. The city on Cyprus is Nicosia.
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