Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes VII (Do Not Post Current Politics or Political Figures Here)
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Does it really make sense for the post-communist government of a united red Korea to pick the flag of the fascist government whose defeat is part of the founding mythos of TTL modern Korea, and which has existed for less than a decade? Maybe the People's Republic of Korea flag would be better.
I mean, the republic's (ie the South's) flag is very much directly descended from that of the Korean Empire so it makes sense that post socialist government would adopt it or something similar.
Whoooaaaa, not what I was expecting to see on my birthday, none the less, what a coincidence! Thank you so much, this is really cool, and may actually be the inspiration I need to get off my lazy ass, and continue the damn thing.
Really interesting you correctly predicted I’d have Kim Il-Sung knocked off in 1962. That was the exact year I was planning it….. did you get into my notes, somehow? I’m amazed by that lol
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Tree times Yury Luzhkov can became a Russian President
Scenario 1. A Heir of Yeltsin.
To 1996, position of the first president of Russia was VERY BAD. His electoral rating was around 3%. In January, Yeltsin suffered a heart attack - 5 in life. It was clear, that he can’t rule the country more. Luzhkov, a popular mayor of Moscow, and old Yeltsin’s comrade, has been chosen as his successor in the upcoming elections. Whith the help of the Oligarch Media, Luzhkov defeated a Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov, and took office as the second President of Russia.
Scenario 2. Opposition Leader turns Premier turns President.
1999 was not 1996. The miracle that allowed Yeltsin to be re-elected to a second term in 1996 did not happen in 1999.The Unity party, formed for the new prime minister and obvious successor, Vladimir Putin, lost the elections to the State Duma, taking second place.
The election was a triumph for the Fatherland-All Russia party, led by veteran Soviet diplomat Yevgeny Primakov and Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov.They were left-wing populists who, while not calling for a return to socialism, were extremely critical to the privatization and “liberal reforms” of the 1990s.And now this tandem was speeding towards victory.
Even Yeltsin's resignation on New Year's Eve and Putin's appointment as acting president changed nothing.In the presidential elections in March 2000, Putin lost to Primakov. Luzhkov was appointed prime minister.
By the end of Primakov’s first term in 2004, it became clear that the real N1 in the Kremlin was Prime Minister Luzhkov. But ordinary citizens did not care much about this. The market economy is finally working as it should. Oil prices have increased. Russia was hit by a consumer boom (which began back in 1999 - Yeltsin’s last year, but who remembered that!).Therefore, when in the presidential elections in 2008 Luzhkov won 73% of the votes, a significant part of which was falsified, no one paid attention to this.
Scenario 3. On the White Revolution wave.
Sudden death of the Russian Prime Minister and “National Leader” Vladimir Putin lead to a problems. In 2008 it was planned, that Putin will resigns as president only for 4 years - to circumvent the constitutional limitation on serving more than two CONSECUTIVE presidential terms. Putin would return in 2012, but now...
President Medvedev was not nearly as popular as Putin was. At first Kremlin tried to solve the problem traditionally - with falsifications. But ballot stuffing in the State Duma elections in December 2011 led to the largest protests in Moscow in the 21st century. Putin might have turned the situation in his favor. But Medvedev... decided to compromise with the protesters.
In the winter of 2012, the protest had its own presidential candidate. Suddenly, he became Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, whom Medvedev dismissed in 2010 with the mocking wording “due to loss of trust.” Since then, the former mayor has lived in London, and with the outbreak of protests he agreed to become a candidate in the elections from the united opposition.
Luzhkov was, to put it mildly, not a liberal. He was also a former member of United Russia. But he was popular enough to become a compromise alternative to Medvedev. In February 2012, the A Just Russia party nominated Luzhkov as its presidential candidate. The election campaign was very tough. But the results of the second round were clear. For the first time in Russian history, President changed in elections.
[well, Luzhkov himself died in 2019, last OTL events mentioned was 12 years ago... I HOPE THIS WON'T BE CATEGORIZED AS 'CURRENT POLITICS']
Scenario 1. A Heir of Yeltsin.
To 1996, position of the first president of Russia was VERY BAD. His electoral rating was around 3%. In January, Yeltsin suffered a heart attack - 5 in life. It was clear, that he can’t rule the country more. Luzhkov, a popular mayor of Moscow, and old Yeltsin’s comrade, has been chosen as his successor in the upcoming elections. Whith the help of the Oligarch Media, Luzhkov defeated a Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov, and took office as the second President of Russia.
Scenario 2. Opposition Leader turns Premier turns President.
1999 was not 1996. The miracle that allowed Yeltsin to be re-elected to a second term in 1996 did not happen in 1999.The Unity party, formed for the new prime minister and obvious successor, Vladimir Putin, lost the elections to the State Duma, taking second place.
The election was a triumph for the Fatherland-All Russia party, led by veteran Soviet diplomat Yevgeny Primakov and Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov.They were left-wing populists who, while not calling for a return to socialism, were extremely critical to the privatization and “liberal reforms” of the 1990s.And now this tandem was speeding towards victory.
Even Yeltsin's resignation on New Year's Eve and Putin's appointment as acting president changed nothing.In the presidential elections in March 2000, Putin lost to Primakov. Luzhkov was appointed prime minister.
By the end of Primakov’s first term in 2004, it became clear that the real N1 in the Kremlin was Prime Minister Luzhkov. But ordinary citizens did not care much about this. The market economy is finally working as it should. Oil prices have increased. Russia was hit by a consumer boom (which began back in 1999 - Yeltsin’s last year, but who remembered that!).Therefore, when in the presidential elections in 2008 Luzhkov won 73% of the votes, a significant part of which was falsified, no one paid attention to this.
Scenario 3. On the White Revolution wave.
Sudden death of the Russian Prime Minister and “National Leader” Vladimir Putin lead to a problems. In 2008 it was planned, that Putin will resigns as president only for 4 years - to circumvent the constitutional limitation on serving more than two CONSECUTIVE presidential terms. Putin would return in 2012, but now...
President Medvedev was not nearly as popular as Putin was. At first Kremlin tried to solve the problem traditionally - with falsifications. But ballot stuffing in the State Duma elections in December 2011 led to the largest protests in Moscow in the 21st century. Putin might have turned the situation in his favor. But Medvedev... decided to compromise with the protesters.
In the winter of 2012, the protest had its own presidential candidate. Suddenly, he became Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, whom Medvedev dismissed in 2010 with the mocking wording “due to loss of trust.” Since then, the former mayor has lived in London, and with the outbreak of protests he agreed to become a candidate in the elections from the united opposition.
Luzhkov was, to put it mildly, not a liberal. He was also a former member of United Russia. But he was popular enough to become a compromise alternative to Medvedev. In February 2012, the A Just Russia party nominated Luzhkov as its presidential candidate. The election campaign was very tough. But the results of the second round were clear. For the first time in Russian history, President changed in elections.
[well, Luzhkov himself died in 2019, last OTL events mentioned was 12 years ago... I HOPE THIS WON'T BE CATEGORIZED AS 'CURRENT POLITICS']
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If he has born in Caucasian Georgian how he can act as vice president?
the 22nd amendment ittl is the otl 'Arnold Amendment', or sm close to it
Would he really have lived in the U.S. Georgia simply by virtue of having been born in the other one?
Jeju as like a Korean Taiwan is weirdly funny to me. It's not that unrealistic ofc, but it'd be like if Britain had a communist takeover and the government fled to the Isle of Wight.
A sequel to my Jewish SSR post. TL, where Odessa became (more or less) sucessful “alternative Israel in Eastern Europe”. (Although Israel TTL is still exist, with JSSR/ Yidshtat became home for "Soviet" Jews)
Some wikiboxes about post-Soviet Yidshtat.
Aundzer/Nashi - Yuidshtat ruling party as in 2024
OK, we all understand, that all that was for the sake of this))
Some wikiboxes about post-Soviet Yidshtat.
Aundzer/Nashi - Yuidshtat ruling party as in 2024
OK, we all understand, that all that was for the sake of this))
"Will be bound... will be loosed"
The picture of Joseph Smith used is an alleged, and I believe debunked, photo of him as I think having a painted portrait with two pictured nominees is kinda odd! Interestingly though the history of finding pictures of Smith has been an interesting dive into LDS history and preservation.
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Interesting, was TTL rumor, that Cronkite went to Native Priests to lift Tecumseh's curse? (as it was about Reagan) )))
DLC delenda est
Clinton fails to mount his comeback and Paul Tsongas wins the Democratic nomination in 1992.
Tsongas, an economically conservative technocrat, without Clinton's charm fails to achieve much enthusiasm, but the polling average heading into the election shows a very close race:
Bush - 35
Tsongas - 34
Perot - 29
However, polling errors underestimated Perot and overestimated Tsongas and what was in principle a 3 way race turned into a comfortable electoral college re-election for President Bush, even if he got less of the popular vote than even Barry Goldwater in 1964.
Clinton fails to mount his comeback and Paul Tsongas wins the Democratic nomination in 1992.
Tsongas, an economically conservative technocrat, without Clinton's charm fails to achieve much enthusiasm, but the polling average heading into the election shows a very close race:
Bush - 35
Tsongas - 34
Perot - 29
However, polling errors underestimated Perot and overestimated Tsongas and what was in principle a 3 way race turned into a comfortable electoral college re-election for President Bush, even if he got less of the popular vote than even Barry Goldwater in 1964.
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What I can only describe as "stereotypical alternate 1990s candidates"... all combined into 1 race to the presidency.