Alternate History Combat Aircraft
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Looking at it again , have you removed the gunner position on the inner nacelles?
Ever have one of those times when you finish a floor varnishing and are filled with arrogant pride and then see that you painted yourself into a corner?
Looking at my 'Dornier Do-30' and 'Blohm & Voss BV-238' I suddenly realized I made the hatches and portholes the size of something found on the Queen Mary!
So here are my CORRECTED (for the moment) Do-30 & BV-238
Looking at my 'Dornier Do-30' and 'Blohm & Voss BV-238' I suddenly realized I made the hatches and portholes the size of something found on the Queen Mary!
So here are my CORRECTED (for the moment) Do-30 & BV-238
Oh, yeah. My original BV-238 was TOTALLY bad because of the size of the hatches and portholes...same with my Do-30. I made a correction of both.
The BV-238 (my version) is only 25 meters long. The Do-30 is 28 meters in length.
Thought about it but that could cause problems with controls, fuel lines, etc..
My thought was that these palnes would be carried on specialized Recon subs (avoiding combat unless attacked) via a similar method to the Japanese I-400 subs.
The original Arado Ar-231 was considered too fragile (plus it looked like something out of a bad LSD trip
)The minute they launch aircraft, every escort carrier would be looking for them.Thought about it but that could cause problems with controls, fuel lines, etc..
My thought was that these palnes would be carried on specialized Recon subs (avoiding combat unless attacked) via a similar method to the Japanese I-400 subs.
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The original Arado Ar-231 was considered too fragile (plus it looked like something out of a bad LSD trip
Waiting for inspiration.Speaking of pics Cortz isnt it time for you to start posting some?
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^^^ The Lockheed L-133 project gets the go-ahead in late '42. The USAAC is getting whiffs of German jet work and gets in a lather, so by Q3 of '43, a couple of prototypes appear. By mid '44, the first operational planes start coming off the line, and some are sent to Europe.
I'm guessing some tweaks from the original paper designs, based on the prototypes performance.
I can't draw worth crap, so anybody care to take a whack at that design is welcome to.
I'm guessing some tweaks from the original paper designs, based on the prototypes performance.
I can't draw worth crap, so anybody care to take a whack at that design is welcome to.
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A couple of takes on an alternate L-133.
Top plane has swept wings which came from a post war Lockheed design.
Bottom plane is a delta wing job as far as I know only the Germans experimented with delta wing designs but maybe in an alternate timeline US intelligence stole the idea.
I imagine the top plane being armed with six 50 cal MG's, three on the upper nose and three on the lower nose was going to give the lower plane four 20mm cannons but forgot to draw them on.
No. The configuration was not what I would call stable and I suspect would probably kill the average line pilot before reaching combat. Even the greatest of test pilots would probably find it too twitchy.
Leaving that aside, it had no engine. The L-1000/J37 was... how to put this? Either pie in the sky or a gutless POS depending on how charitable you want to be. Menasco tried once Lockheed failed to wring the promised performance. They in turn turned it over to Wright, who gave up circa 52/53 - when the likes of the superlative J57 was available. By the time you have a sufficiently slimline engine available so as not to require a complete redesign of the fuselage structure - with the Westinghouse J34 being your best bet here IMO - you are mere months away from the XF-86's first flight and such a L-133 is an under-powered cart horse in comparison to that. The J37 saga is expertly detailed here:
I suppose you could argue the P-80 is the L-133 with a dose of reality installed, with a conventional layout and an engine that delivered. The L-133 itself was just a flight of fancy.
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I can't say for sure but I think the swept wings would have been an improvement and I personally like the delta wing configuration but again I'm no expert on avionics.
The original design is interesting but kind of odd as well and while there were many canard design in WWII and pre-WWII, none of them went into mass production.
As mtpalmer1 said, a good engine would go a long way to making a decent plane.
FWIW, I think your delta is a step in the right direction in terms of stability but would leave it quite draggy. Perhaps a cropped delta for a bit less area? Your canards are definitely an improvement!