In a post American Revolution POD, have at least 1 state leave and rejoin the British Empire, but not through British military might alone. The title is a Hamilton allusion.
Yes, probably. I admit I need to work more on this think tank...Under what particular circumstances would Britannia do with Georgia and the Carolinas upon their return to the Empire?
Dominion status just like Upper and Lower Canada at the time?
Thanks for the help.I'll call in @PGSBHurricane and @Gabingston to assist you also.
I actually might resurrect a Southern-Less USA albeit retooled where the New England (CT, MA, NH, RI) Middle Atlantic (NJ, NY, PA), Chesapeake (DE, MD, VA), and Deep South (GA, NC, and SC) Colonies all form their own countries and try to race each other across the North American Continent because I feel like that's more unique. I discontinued it originally because I felt like it was too much of a CSA timeline set several decades earlier. Anyway, an interesting concept would be to rather have the Loyalists hijack the American Revolution early on. It was actually in the Middle Colonies, not the South, that had the highest number of loyalists given that New York was the base for British military operations in North America and New York City and Philadelphia were Loyalist strongholds OTL as the elites there were generally Loyalist.Thanks for the help.
Although, "the usual suspects" (GA, SC, NC) seem like this is oddly convergent with either my project or PGSBHurricane's one. Too bad Southern-Less USA didn't go further. My project ended at its WWII equivalent, and HeX's finished after the WWI equivalent.
Maybe there is an alternate solution, where some smaller northern states leave instead? (Admittedly that might be more like "Decades of Darkness"?, but IIRC that's even less likely?)
Complete collapse of the US could lead to this, but how likely was that in the first place? Something like Napoleon53's "What Madness Is This" (but less grimdark) maybe? US collapse under Articles of Confederation, reemergence of many but not all parts, remaining parts seek British Empire for safety?
That's a very interesting idea. Divisions of the US between New England, Middle Atlantic, Chesapeake, and Deep South seems like "God Save These American States" to some degree? I'm also very interested in your idea on Southern-Less USA 2.0.I actually might resurrect a Southern-Less USA albeit retooled where the New England (CT, MA, NH, RI) Middle Atlantic (NJ, NY, PA), Chesapeake (DE, MD, VA), and Deep South (GA, NC, and SC) Colonies all form their own countries and try to race each other across the North American Continent because I feel like that's more unique. I discontinued it originally because I felt like it was too much of a CSA timeline set several decades earlier. Anyway, an interesting concept would be to rather have the Loyalists hijack the American Revolution early on. It was actually in the Middle Colonies, not the South, that had the highest number of loyalists given that New York was the base for British military operations in North America and New York City and Philadelphia were Loyalist strongholds OTL as the elites there were generally Loyalist.
To quote Historian Robert Middlekauff from his book The Glorious Cause: The American Revolution, 1763–1789: "The largest number of loyalists were found in the middle colonies: many tenant farmers of New York supported the king, for example, as did many of the Dutch in the colony and in New Jersey. The Germans in Pennsylvania tried to stay out of the Revolution, just as many Quakers did, and when that failed, clung to the familiar connection rather than embrace the new. Highland Scots in the Carolinas, a fair number of Anglican clergy and their parishioners in Connecticut and New York, a few Presbyterians in the southern colonies, and a large number of the Iroquois stayed loyal to the king."
It does seem like God Save These American States on the surface but I plan on taking it in my own direction. Also, the usual suspects thing is kind of cliche, given that it was the Middle Colonies that had the highest number of Loyalists. I think the Loyalists hijacking the Revolution makes more sense than the colonies getting independence only to revert back to the British Crown.That's a very interesting idea. Divisions of the US between New England, Middle Atlantic, Chesapeake, and Deep South seems like "God Save These American States" to some degree? I'm also very interested in your idea on Southern-Less USA 2.0.
Loyalists hijacking the American Revolution early on sounds intriguing. It's not exactly the same as "You'll Be Back", but very good nonetheless.
Right. I originally made this as a Hamilton joke, and I'm glad its inspiring real discussion!It does seem like God Save These American States on the surface but I plan on taking it in my own direction. Also, the usual suspects thing is kind of cliche, given that it was the Middle Colonies that had the highest number of Loyalists. I think the Loyalists hijacking the Revolution makes more sense than the colonies getting independence only to revert back to the British Crown.
Interesting idea, and it fits the premise. Thank you.When General Prevost invaded Upstate New York in 1814, the British were fairly popular in Vermont. His fleet was built with Vermont wood and many of his supplies came from that state, too.
One of his objectives was to drive the border between New York and Quebec south. Assuming that he is victorious at Plattsburgh (easily done with a bit of luck) and he marches toward Albany, it would be feasible for Vermont to choose to join Canada in the face of an American defeat during the War of 1812. This would be "not through British military might alone", although it does require British military might.