How could World War II gone as bad as possible for the Allies, but they are still able to win in some way?
AHC: Worst possible scenario with an Allied victory in WWII
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I believe that Calbear has written a timeline that makes a pretty good stab at answering this question...
Sycamore
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Nazi Germany goes MAD, and unleashes as many bio-chemical warheads against the Allies' military concentrations (kicking off with the beaches of Normandy during the D-Day landings) and civilian populations in major cities, as it can. Imperial Japan soon follows suit (kicking off with the deployment of Defoliation bacilli bombs against the American combatants at the Battle of Sapian, as originally intended- IOTL, the Japanese submarine carrying these bombs was sunk by the American submarine Swordfish off Chichi Jima before it could deliver the munitions) launching an attack akin to OTL's proposed Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night against the Pacific seaboard of the USA considerably earlier. The Allies still win, but it takes an extremely heavy toll, and desolates large swathes of Allied territory.
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Not to mention the holy Hell the Allies will unleash on the Axis states. Nobody wins in that scenario. Well, that's to say, the Allies WIN, but... Lots and lots of bodies. Everywhere.
jahenders
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Several good ones already mentioned and a few more:
- No Soviet involvement -- allies have a much harder time against Germany
- German and allied chemical weapons
- Russia gets more of Europe
- We invade Japan in 1945 instead of nuking it. Allies suffer 50-500K casualties, Japan 500K-1M+ and is utterly devastated (every dam, every bridge of consequence, and every factory). Additionally, Russia seizes Korea and parts of China.
- Germany gets nukes shortly before we do. They nuke London and Moscow (or Leningrad) causing mass devastation and political decapitation/upheaval. We hint that ours are on the way, keeping UK and Russia in the war. We up our production of nukes and then nuke a few key German cites initially. The allies then basically annihilate Germany (multiply the Russian rape/slaughter by 10 or 50).
- No Soviet involvement -- allies have a much harder time against Germany
- German and allied chemical weapons
- Russia gets more of Europe
- We invade Japan in 1945 instead of nuking it. Allies suffer 50-500K casualties, Japan 500K-1M+ and is utterly devastated (every dam, every bridge of consequence, and every factory). Additionally, Russia seizes Korea and parts of China.
- Germany gets nukes shortly before we do. They nuke London and Moscow (or Leningrad) causing mass devastation and political decapitation/upheaval. We hint that ours are on the way, keeping UK and Russia in the war. We up our production of nukes and then nuke a few key German cites initially. The allies then basically annihilate Germany (multiply the Russian rape/slaughter by 10 or 50).
Germans take and hold Moscow until Berlin nuked in 45,
Vastly worse Holocaust, nazism not discredited in fighting but defeated merely by superweapon, so remains a viable ideology in Post War setting.
Japan not defeated for another year or two, as Occupation of Europe is far more messy, with greater loss of civilian life there as well.
Vastly worse Holocaust, nazism not discredited in fighting but defeated merely by superweapon, so remains a viable ideology in Post War setting.
Japan not defeated for another year or two, as Occupation of Europe is far more messy, with greater loss of civilian life there as well.
I'll be honest (if egotistical) and say it is difficult to get much worse than AANW in a "the good guys win" scenario
Mass death by starvation in Japan from the blockade/burning campaign that kills 10% of Japan's population. Virtually every Jew and Roma in Europe dead, 3/4 of the Polish people put to the sword or worked to death, etc. Nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons used on mass scale across the European Peninsula, resulting in locations that are "no-go" zones for a thousand years. Close to 10% of the WORLD'S population dead. Germany permanently partitioned.
Oh... almost forgot. The world is under the "benign" dictatorship of the A4, a control that eventually is enforced by space based nuclear weapons and lunar based mass drivers.
Mass death by starvation in Japan from the blockade/burning campaign that kills 10% of Japan's population. Virtually every Jew and Roma in Europe dead, 3/4 of the Polish people put to the sword or worked to death, etc. Nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons used on mass scale across the European Peninsula, resulting in locations that are "no-go" zones for a thousand years. Close to 10% of the WORLD'S population dead. Germany permanently partitioned.
Oh... almost forgot. The world is under the "benign" dictatorship of the A4, a control that eventually is enforced by space based nuclear weapons and lunar based mass drivers.
Admiral Halsey
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Yeah the AANW is really damn hard to beat when it comes to worst case scenarios with the allies still winning.
Admiral Halsey
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I never actually like FAT. I always thought Wallace was given a huge dose of idiot ball in it which really detracted from it for me.