AHC/WI: Soviets occupy most of Europe?

[Gan]

With a POD no earlier than September 2nd, 1939, end World War II with the Soviet Union liberating Europe, including France.

If this happens, how much more would the Allies gain in Asia to compensate? What happens with the colonies of France, Italy, Belgium, and Netherlands? What will happen with nations like Spain, Turkey, and Switzerland?

How would the Cold War play out following total Soviet victory in Europe? Would it end sooner, or last longer? Would it be more likely to result in a war?

Finally, what would the post-Cold War era be like?

 

[Resurgam]

You would need to either retard the Anglo-American assault (which would be very difficult to do) in '44, or supercharge the Soviets with ASB, which is... ASB. The best thing would be to have Britain KO'd with a separate peace following the fall of France, while also deposing Churchill.

I doubt that the Soviets will care about any kind of balance with them taking the Continent. I also don't see them caring much for the neutrality of the states you named. The Swiss might make life hard for them, though, if they don't go quietly. As for the colonies, they will either declare themselves free upon the Soviets "liberating" the mother country, or eventually "embrace" the revolution.

I don't know what kind of a Cold War would happen. Britain could very well succumb to a communist revolution, leaving the US alone in a very, very red world.

The post CW world would probably be one where communism and socialism are the law of the land, as opposed to what we have today.

 

[Deleted member 1487]

Actually not that hard. Have the Germans bog down in France and have the Soviets get until 1943 to invade Europe and sweep everyone. Otherwise you can have the Germans screw up worse at/after Stalingrad and the Soviets wipe out AG-South and start a rampage west in 1943, allowing them to get an advantage over the Wallies in moving into Central Europe. The former is probably the easiest option with the war dragging out and exhausting everyone only to have Stalin move in and take down Europe.

 

[AlternateEagle]

You would need to either retard the Anglo-American assault (which would be very difficult to do) in '44, or supercharge the Soviets with ASB, which is... ASB. The best thing would be to have Britain KO'd with a separate peace following the fall of France, while also deposing Churchill.

I doubt that the Soviets will care about any kind of balance with them taking the Continent. I also don't see them caring much for the neutrality of the states you named. The Swiss might make life hard for them, though, if they don't go quietly. As for the colonies, they will either declare themselves free upon the Soviets "liberating" the mother country, or eventually "embrace" the revolution.

I don't know what kind of a Cold War would happen. Britain could very well succumb to a communist revolution, leaving the US alone in a very, very red world.

The post CW world would probably be one where communism and socialism are the law of the land, as opposed to what we have today.

Socialism would certainly not be the law of the land. Stalin himself was the cause of the end of the Russian revolution and Lenin's legacy (hate to be political but it is true). My prediction is that the cold war will occur, but it will swing more in the USSR's favor. After Stalin dies, more favor will be put into state companies and it will progress similar to OTL.

The stage was set for free-market capitalism way before the 1980s.

A collapse will occur, except it will not result in the USSR being shattered. Instead it will most likely be reformed into a federation. A free-market federation similar to what Gorbachev wanted, except more powerful than OTL.

 

[Resurgam]

Socialism would certainly not be the law of the land. Stalin himself was the cause of the end of the Russian revolution and Lenin's legacy (hate to be political but it is true). My prediction is that the cold war will occur, but it will swing more in the USSR's favor. After Stalin dies, more favor will be put into state companies and it will progress similar to OTL.

The stage was set for free-market capitalism way before the 1980s.

A collapse will occur, except it will not result in the USSR being shattered. Instead it will most likely be reformed into a federation. A free-market federation similar to what Gorbachev wanted, except more powerful than OTL.

How will the Cold War proceed similar to OTL with virtually all of the US' allies communist?

 

[Gan]

How will the Cold War proceed similar to OTL with virtually all of the US' allies communist?

If Japan attacks Pearl Harbor as OTL you may still see a US presence in the East. Perhaps more so if they don't have to focus on Europe much.

 

[I want to learn]

Skipping Operation Barbarossa in 1941 to knock out Britain is a fairly plausible strategic choice for Hitler. The USSR is fully ready whenever war comes and the Red Army and Communist rebels are responsible for liberating Europe from facism.

 

[ObssesedNuker]

Overrunning Eastern and Central Europe up to the Rhine is eminently doable for the Soviets with any number of PoDs: Barbarossa is delayed until 1942 or the Soviets actually prepare for Barbarossa in 1941 or they get a bit more lucky during Barbarossa and manage to shut it down around Smolensk-Kiev or the Germans screw up on Barbarossa worse (perhaps by trying to go for Moscow before Kiev) or the Soviet winter counter-offensive manages to go better and destroys most of AGC and so-on and so forth.

Getting the Soviets to overrun Europe all the way up to the channel is much, much harder, because once Berlin is overrun, the Germans will collapse and there is literally nothing stopping the WAllies to simply walk ashore and retake France and most of the Low Countries before the Soviets can get there. You'd have to posit some situation where the Anglo-Americans peace out with Germany for some reason only to bork it up against the Soviets. Conceptually it's possible, but in practice... it is very improbable.

 

[I want to learn]

Getting the Soviets to overrun Europe all the way up to the channel is much, much harder, because once Berlin is overrun, the Germans will collapse and there is literally nothing stopping the WAllies to simply walk ashore and retake France and most of the Low Countries before the Soviets can get there. You'd have to posit some situation where the Anglo-Americans peace out with Germany for some reason only to bork it up against the Soviets. Conceptually it's possible, but in practice... not really.

I think France would come under Soviet influence due to Communist partisans self-liberating much of the country. The French government in exile would have less credibility if they step off Royal Navy ships to take things over without a fight, and the Soviets are in a position to give aid in any ensuing civil war.