AHC: Successful Filiki Eteria/Phanariote Greece

[Basileus_Komnenos]

The Filiki Eteria was a secret society/revolutionary movement that gained traction in the early 19th century aiming to overthrow Ottoman rule in Greece and restore an independent state. This group was largely dominated by the Phanariotes, a wealthy group of Greek Merchants who gained influence within the Ottoman Empire as they were prominent merchants, and members of the Ottoman administration filling key posts in the provinces and government of the Orthodox millet of "Rum."

Many of these men were highly educated and some had ties/were descended from the Byantine Nobility.

Alexander Ypsilantis was one of these individuals, and he planned to lead a Greek Revolt, but his plans got leaked leading him resorting to a more ambitious plan where he tried to get the Russians to cross the Danube (planning to stage a revolt in Wallachia and Molodovia) inadvertently getting them involved in the "Greek Revolution" while they fought against the Ottomans.

What would it take for the Phanariotes to be successful and how would this "Phanariote" led Greece look like? Would it include the former parts of the Byzantine Empire like Bulgaria which at this point was somewhat hellenized (it was under the orbit of the Patriarchate of Constantinople which largely used Greek as its liturgical language)?

Would this give Greece a stronger start as compared to otl, or would it crash and burn in flames?

 

[Fatt Shea]

Would this lead to the new Greek state identifying themselves as Romans instead of Greek?

 

[Ahab]

Would this lead to the new Greek state identifying themselves as Romans instead of Greek?

Probably. Even if they still call themselves Greeks they would view their country and people as the continuation of the Christian byzantines and not the pagan ancient Greeks.

 

[EasternRomanEmpire]

The Filiki Eteria was a secret society/revolutionary movement that gained traction in the early 19th century aiming to overthrow Ottoman rule in Greece and restore an independent state. This group was largely dominated by the Phanariotes, a wealthy group of Greek Merchants who gained influence within the Ottoman Empire as they were prominent merchants, and members of the Ottoman administration filling key posts in the provinces and government of the Orthodox millet of "Rum."

Many of these men were highly educated and some had ties/were descended from the Byantine Nobility.

Alexander Ypsilantis was one of these individuals, and he planned to lead a Greek Revolt, but his plans got leaked leading him resorting to a more ambitious plan where he tried to get the Russians to cross the Danube (planning to stage a revolt in Wallachia and Molodovia) inadvertently getting them involved in the "Greek Revolution" while they fought against the Ottomans.

What would it take for the Phanariotes to be successful and how would this "Phanariote" led Greece look like? Would it include the former parts of the Byzantine Empire like Bulgaria which at this point was somewhat hellenized (it was under the orbit of the Patriarchate of Constantinople which largely used Greek as its liturgical language)?

Would this give Greece a stronger start as compared to otl, or would it crash and burn in flames?

If Russia intervene (which is unlikely as Alexander I wasn't very interventionist in his foreign policy) it becomes an Eastern Question and as the POD is before the Crimean War the Great Powers are likely to intervene in some way as this is before the European elites started to have sympathies for the Greek cause therefore Greece probably wouldn't exist ITTL

 

[Whiteshore]

Would this lead to the new Greek state identifying themselves as Romans instead of Greek?

On that note, the Romania/Rhomania naming dispute would make the Macedonia naming dispute seem mild by comparison.

 

[nickmn]

If Russia intervene (which is unlikely as Alexander I wasn't very interventionist in his foreign policy) it becomes an Eastern Question and as the POD is before the Crimean War the Great Powers are likely to intervene in some way as this is before the European elites started to have sympathies for the Greek cause therefore Greece probably wouldn't exist ITTL

Greece had quite significant support ( mostly from the people ) in western countries at the time . The Phillelenes were of extreme importance in both the diplomatic situation that led the Great powers to intervene in favor of Greece and in the financing of the revolution ( that was either tolerated or downright supported by local governments ) .Keep in mind , this is post Napoleonic Europe , Russia isn't the big scary boogeyman that needs to be cut down just yet ...

 

[EasternRomanEmpire]

Greece had quite significant support ( mostly from the people ) in western countries at the time . The Phillelenes were of extreme importance in both the diplomatic situation that led the Great powers to intervene in favor of Greece and in the financing of the revolution ( that was either tolerated or downright supported by local governments ) .Keep in mind , this is post Napoleonic Europe , Russia isn't the big scary boogeyman that needs to be cut down just yet ...

At the end of the Greek Revolution (once the Great Powers intervened) they thought about keeping Greece under nominal Ottoman vassalage (like the Danubian principalities) however they thought that this would deepen their relationship with Russia; France and Britain intervened both because of popular will and because they didn't want Russia to get involved (and keeping the balance of power on the continent). Also at that moment the Greek revolution didn't even start therefore this would be seen as a corrupted leader who was paid by Russia to create the incident or something similar and that the Greek Revolution was incited/funded by them to divert Ottoman forces (or at least this is what the UK and France want to see) so no sympathies would develop for the Greek cause.

 

[Ursogulos]

@Vinization what do you think of this??