What could happen to result in the United States of America turning permanently communist in the 2000's? Point of divergence varies according to you, from the start of World War 1 to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
AHC: Permanently Communist USA
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Well Hollywood is going to be upset..
that's a tough one, Fascist sure.. communist.. just don't see how personally.
I could see a more Euro Socialist state
seriously even worse great depression, no WWII Depression keeps stagnating. Rich keep getting richer during this period, Civil Rights protests and action still takes place stirring dissent and are crushed by the government. have a worse Dust bowl.. crappy labor practice.
but to get to communism, you are going to have to stretch things as I think in America Fascism would be more appealing to an apartheid state ( pre civil rights America )
then you could have the crime rate sore 2000% in NYC where they evacuate the island and turn it into a maximum security prison, major earthquake in LA and they build a wall there and deport people too it and criminals.. then you can have the Cubans try to liberate the USA...
that's a tough one, Fascist sure.. communist.. just don't see how personally.
I could see a more Euro Socialist state
seriously even worse great depression, no WWII Depression keeps stagnating. Rich keep getting richer during this period, Civil Rights protests and action still takes place stirring dissent and are crushed by the government. have a worse Dust bowl.. crappy labor practice.
but to get to communism, you are going to have to stretch things as I think in America Fascism would be more appealing to an apartheid state ( pre civil rights America )
then you could have the crime rate sore 2000% in NYC where they evacuate the island and turn it into a maximum security prison, major earthquake in LA and they build a wall there and deport people too it and criminals.. then you can have the Cubans try to liberate the USA...
You would have to make the government a lot less stable and the international presence a lot less. So let’s go with this - Taft and TR patch things up before 1912. Not sure how, but the reason TR ran in 1912 was because he thought Taft was doing a shitty job and his friendship with the man turned to hatred.
Avert that and you avert Wilson. Put in leaders who don’t want to get involved in WWI - the equivalent of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade goes over instead. The survivors tell horrific tales, and America collectively decides, the hell with that. It continues to stay isolationist, up to and including possible conflict in the Pacific.
So without American involvement in WWII, the Nazis still get the shit kicked out of them by the Russians, but Japan spreads them too thin, and the USSR collapses, leaving a huge void in Eurasia. The UK can’t afford to hang onto its colonies and keeps only a few, and communism dies out in most of the world. As such, no Cold War and no taboo against communism in America. The economy eventually recovers.
Civil Rights takes an uglier turn and sows a lot of distrust between the races as well as different economic classes. Most whites who support the movement figure out they have little in common with many opponents other than race.
So assuming trickle-down becomes a thing, the backlash to it happens in the 2000s during a severe economic downturn. Minorities and disaffected whites overthrow the government and institute communism, either unaware of the brutality of Stalin and his ilk or deciding it’s better than what they had.
Avert that and you avert Wilson. Put in leaders who don’t want to get involved in WWI - the equivalent of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade goes over instead. The survivors tell horrific tales, and America collectively decides, the hell with that. It continues to stay isolationist, up to and including possible conflict in the Pacific.
So without American involvement in WWII, the Nazis still get the shit kicked out of them by the Russians, but Japan spreads them too thin, and the USSR collapses, leaving a huge void in Eurasia. The UK can’t afford to hang onto its colonies and keeps only a few, and communism dies out in most of the world. As such, no Cold War and no taboo against communism in America. The economy eventually recovers.
Civil Rights takes an uglier turn and sows a lot of distrust between the races as well as different economic classes. Most whites who support the movement figure out they have little in common with many opponents other than race.
So assuming trickle-down becomes a thing, the backlash to it happens in the 2000s during a severe economic downturn. Minorities and disaffected whites overthrow the government and institute communism, either unaware of the brutality of Stalin and his ilk or deciding it’s better than what they had.