If Rommel is in capacitated in early February, is it reasonable to think that the German Higher command and who ever is substituted for Rommel would not act as aggressively and the combined Italian and German attack would not take place as OTL but be postponed for some time? The whole tenant the PAM TL has be to keep it grounded in plausibility based on the decision environment of the time. At the moment i have two drafts, one is Rommel attempts to proceed as OTL (though of course conditions in north Africa ITTL are not quite as OTL) the second is that Rommel is incapacitated in mid February 1941 and the axis offensive is delayed. I would enjoy and apprieciate suggestions and comments on both story arcs.
As suggested above I think Ludwig Cruwell would take over.
 
If Rommel is in capacitated in early February, is it reasonable to think that the German Higher command and who ever is substituted for Rommel would not act as aggressively and the combined Italian and German attack would not take place as OTL but be postponed for some time? The whole tenant the PAM TL has be to keep it grounded in plausibility based on the decision environment of the time. At the moment i have two drafts, one is Rommel attempts to proceed as OTL (though of course conditions in north Africa ITTL are not quite as OTL) the second is that Rommel is incapacitated in mid February 1941 and the axis offensive is delayed. I would enjoy and apprieciate suggestions and comments on both story arcs.
As suggested above I think Ludwig Cruwell would take over.
To be honest, Rommel's orders from Berlin were to defend not attack, he ignored them. Cruwell is likely to obey those orders and defend Tripolitania rather than try and drive on Egypt. Without Rommel's flair and unexpected victories , the German forces in Africa are likely to stay a lot smaller as it will be viewed as even more a sideshow to the decisive conflict in the East. If the British win, well its the Italians fault will be the thinking from on high, no point wasting troops on reinforcing failure.
 
To be honest, Rommel's orders from Berlin were to defend not attack, he ignored them. Cruwell is likely to obey those orders and defend Tripolitania rather than try and drive on Egypt. Without Rommel's flair and unexpected victories , the German forces in Africa are likely to stay a lot smaller as it will be viewed as even more a sideshow to the decisive conflict in the East. If the British win, well its the Italians fault will be the thinking from on high, no point wasting troops on reinforcing failure.
This is pretty much how I'd see it.

Possibility were the British succeed in taking Tripoli the remnants of the German-Italian force would retreat into Tunisia. With Vichy France pressed not to intern the troops and equipment.

This lesser involvement in North Africa might actually benefit the Germans. More troops and crucially aircraft for the Eastern Front meatgrinder.
 
This is pretty much how I'd see it.

Possibility were the British succeed in taking Tripoli the remnants of the German-Italian force would retreat into Tunisia. With Vichy France pressed not to intern the troops and equipment.

This lesser involvement in North Africa might actually benefit the Germans. More troops and crucially aircraft for the Eastern Front meatgrinder.
Which might mean that the British supply more modern tanks to the Russians as part of Lend Lease.
 
Which might mean that the British supply more modern tanks to the Russians as part of Lend Lease.

Firstly, Lend Lease is an awfully confusing term , deliberately so for propaganda purposes, but should NOT be applied to UK aid to Russia.

Over the years Lend-Lease has been expanded and conflated to cover several periods of US-UK trade during WW2 including
  • in the early years before the US DOW stuff the British BOUGHT OUTRIGHT by allowing the Americans use of some of their bases
    (the Lease part)

  • In the panic after the fall of France, the notorious Tizard Mission transferred invaluable UK designs and patents to the US
    without even negotiating any fee (theoretically in return for the right to BUY American built versions BUT at a price set by the Americans)

  • in the later years, stuff, the BRITISH BOUGHT by specifically supplying the Americans with equipment THEY needed
    (so call Reverse Lend-Lease)
    This included both kit and logistic costs for US Troops based on non-leased UK/Empire territory

  • as well as material that the US supplied without demanding immediate payment.
    (provided it was actively used in the war BUT demanded to be returned if it survived intact.
    That is the LEND part

  • The US also charged for any LENT kit the British wanted to keep at the end of the war (though quite often at a great discount)

British support for Russia especially before the US DOW was on NONE of these terms. Essentially it was simply GRATIS
It was the same even later. In accordance with the Anglo-Soviet Military Supplies Agreement of June 27, 1942,
any military aid sent from Britain to the Soviet Union during the war was entirely free of charge.

Though the Russians theoretically did open up some reciprocal trade e.g. in ores and raw materials
but no reverse flow was possible till much later in the wars (and almost all was sent to US)
 
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Which might mean that the British supply more modern tanks to the Russians as part of Lend Lease.
Secondly, iOTL the UK was already sending enough material in this key period
(in fact far too much material for its own good in North Africa and the Far East)

(Collated from Wiki and other sources)
By the end of 1941, early shipments of Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks represented only 6.5% of the total Soviet tank stock in hand
but over 25% of medium and heavy tanks added to the Red Army in that period

The British tanks first saw action with the 138 Independent Tank Battalion in the Volga Reservoir on November 20, 1941

British tanks constituted 30 to 40 per cent of heavy and medium tank strength before Moscow at the beginning of December 1941

See here for a plausible analysis of the impact

Added later Apologies turns out the article i had is now paywalled. Big £ too. Mea culpa
 
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Is O'Connor still in charge - in the field? IF so, he was certainly innovative and capable of working up a good plan with limited resources. Just give him a better driver.....
 
12.20 Preparing the ground in Tripolania
Chapter 12.20 Preparing the ground in Tripolania





General O’Conner had a problem, even with the decision not to strip his command of its experienced divisions they were currently strung out on a very long logistics trail stretching all the way back to the Nile Delta and thence from there via vulnerable sea line of communications back to the UK and the empire. How soon they could resupplied and recommence offensive operations against the Italians was a prime concern. The news from the intelligence services that not only were elements of a German Fleigerkorps arriving in Libya but there was evidence of one or more German armoured division being shipped over to Tripolitania as well was a cause of real concern.

In discussions with Wavell, General O’Conner had tried to resolve the tactical and strategic conundrum that this news of Italian and German reinforcement presented , one option was to keep forces in place and built them up in anticipation of an attack by a combined Italian and German army with the intention of holding the line and then pushing the Axis back towards Tripoli. This would then turn the campaign into a war of attrition and logistics. Another option was to push forward now before the Italians could fully recover from their earlier defeats and the Germans could establish a powerful Corps in Africa. There were some who were advising a mid way house, that was to build up the Desert Army in it’s current defensive positions but to send powerful forces forward to aggressively patrol and disrupt the Axis preparations.

All concerned understood that almost everything depended upon the success or otherwise of the RAF and the Navy in destroying or at least preventing the arrival of supplies to Tripoli. In Tripoli, the Italians possessed the largest port west of Alexandria on the north African shore with its facilities to handle up to six large freighters at a time. Despite the continuous air attacks on Malta the RN was keeping a powerful force of destroyers based there supplemented by Cruisers whenever required or judged necessary to interdict the flow of supplies from Italy. Likewise during his recent visit Sir Hugh had seen for himself the critical role that offensive actions by the RAF based on Malta would have not only in tracking the Axis convoys but also in attacking them. Both directly and indirectly by mining the port areas on a regular basis.

With the decision not to send Army units to Greece sufficient shipping had been freed up for another major convoy to be run eastwards to Malta. Shipping was also being used to supply the RAF in Greece, where possible this was being shipped using Greek owned vessels. Other ships, principally vessels of two thousand tons or less were being used to take supplies to Crete and along the coast of Africa as far as Benghazi.

The problem for Wavell and the British was that a lot of the equipment such as tanks and trucks was just worn-out. Whilst great efforts had been made to repair and refit what the army already had and with motor transport in particular to organise a proper system for the use and maintenance of the large stock of captured Italian lorries. The Royal Army Service Corp, ran not only the motor transport but also the railway system and even had their own flotilla of coasters and other vessels for moving supplies. This integration was very significant in their success in the western desert. The cooperation with the RAF was also a fundamental part of the campaign as having two supply systems fighting to use the same resources could have been a major source of delay and confusion. Under Longmore’s Command the RAF logistics and the RASC worked closely together.

One major problem being the shortage of transport aircraft. This problem had been highlighted to the CAS on his recent flying visit to the area. Unlike most rear echelon troops the RASC were fully armed and combat trained as they were expected to provide their own security and defence when and where necessary. It was to an extent on the experience and the interaction with the RASC that the forward based RAF personnel started to be armed and trained for airfield defence. Shortly after the fall of France the first of the RAF Defence Squadrons had been formed and now in the western desert these came of age.

The original two RAF Armoured Car Squadrons had more than proved their worth in Operation Compass and now several squadrons, bearing squadron numbers between seven hundred and one onwards into the eight hundreds were operational. Equipping these squadrons and providing arms for the RAF base personnel had been solved to an extent by issuing them captured Italian arms and equipment. The one thing the RAF did not get from captured Italian stocks were anti aircraft guns, The Italin guns were to largely remain where they were to defend the former Italian infrastructure now being put to use by the British and Commonwealth forces. The decision had been made that the RAF would use AA ordinance from their own stocks. Therefore base workshops had been making mounts for K-guns, aircraft browning machine guns and Hispano cannons to supplement the few forty millimetre Bofors that had found their way to the RAF.

The gathering of intelligence and the sharing of the same was to be of prime importance in the campaign to be fought in Tripolitania. Whilst the work of the air reconnaissance aircraft was well known the work of the Y service stations was just as important. The interception and interpretation of radio signals was of vital importance. Techniques learnt by RAF personnel at Bletchley Park were to be a force multiplier for the allies. Principle amongst these innovations was the closely guarded secret of traffic analysis. Whilst breaking codes was important much could be learnt of the your enemies dispositions and movements simply by understand who was talking to whom, how often, for how long and occasionally actually knowing about what. The flip side of this was of course signals security and in their working with the RAF during operation Compass and generally, the lack of signals security on the Army radio networks had become a point of some contention between the two services. This friction had got to such a point early in the New Year that Wavell had asked the Navy to investigate. The results of this enquiry were quick and sobering. Naval listening teams at various locations had submitted their interceptions of both Army and RAF signals for a period of one week. These intercepts had then been interpreted by an Naval intelligence team who had no prior information of what was being intercepted just that it was ‘enemy signals’ traffic. Just using intercept time, locations, bearings and other data provided not only did this team give an appreciation of the size and location of the units involved but often were able to identify their purpose and function. Whilst the RAF and Army bases were fairly easy to locate the Army units in the field were a little more difficult to locate, however far more detail of the army units size and purpose was deduced and their movements logged than the High Command had anticipated. In fact the Naval intelligence team were able to provide an order of battle for the British forces, that whilst only partial in places was accurate enough to cause real concern. Suddenly signals security had become a very hot topic. An adjunct to this was that it became clear that the RAF were using false signals to disguise their bases, this was being done mainly by the Q units who were setting up decoy airfields and supply dumps to divert attention from the real RAF facilities. By creating signal traffic from these site their validity as targets to the enemy was enhanced. This signals deception concept would now be taken up and expanded by the Army in the field.



Continuous mining of the waters around Tripoli and the bombing of the port was slowing the flow of supplies to the Axis but had not choked it off. Bombers would sortie from Malta and from the Benim airfields around Benghazi. As often as possible the two Polish squadrons of Wellingtons now based on Crete would also be sent, however this was becoming less frequent as the need to slowdown the enemy build up on the Greek frontiers became acute. By early March there were indications that German units were assembling in the area to the west of Buerat , in Tripolitania. General O’Conner had a hard time persuading Wavell that it was wise to maintain out west so far beyond El Agheila, the plan was form a series of hard points inland from Sirte from which aggressive patrolling could be done but the main line of resistance would be back towards El Aghelia until O’conner’s forces were ready to strike out for Tripoli. The distance involved had to be appreciated travelling by road, to Sirte was a gruelling trek of almost two hundred miles to El Aghelia and the same distance again to Bengahzi.

Longmore had ordered a series of landing fields to be built along the coast, with fuel and stores for both the forward basing and quick movement of aircraft. To south of the coastal plain O’Conner had instructed the LRDG under the command of Ralph Bagnold to make far reaching patrols to watch for any move to outflank the Commonwealth forces. Here the previous rudimentary system of air supply was refined to keep the patrols out in ’The Blue’ for extended periods. The most important weapon carried by the LRDG was their radio.

Elsewhere a parallel race to strike a decisive blow was being run, in East Africa the forces from both the Sudan and Kenya were now advancing into Italian Somalia and after having been checked for a time were now making progress aided by the squadrons of SAAF Hurricanes and Tomahawks. Such was the situation at the beginning of March.
 

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Chapter 12.20 Preparing the ground in Tripolania





General O’Conner had a problem, even with the decision not to strip his command of its experienced divisions they were currently strung out on a very long logistics trail stretching all the way back to the Nile Delta and thence from there via vulnerable sea line of communications back to the UK and the empire. How soon they could resupplied and recommence offensive operations against the Italians was a prime concern. The news from the intelligence services that not only were elements of a German Fleigerkorps arriving in Libya but there was evidence of one or more German armoured division being shipped over to Tripolitania as well was a cause of real concern.

In discussions with Wavell, General O’Conner had tried to resolve the tactical and strategic conundrum that this news of Italian and German reinforcement presented , one option was to keep forces in place and built them up in anticipation of an attack by a combined Italian and German army with the intention of holding the line and then pushing the Axis back towards Tripoli. This would then turn the campaign into a war of attrition and logistics. Another option was to push forward now before the Italians could fully recover from their earlier defeats and the Germans could establish a powerful Corps in Africa. There were some who were advising a mid way house, that was to build up the Desert Army in it’s current defensive positions but to send powerful forces forward to aggressively patrol and disrupt the Axis preparations.

All concerned understood that almost everything depended upon the success or otherwise of the RAF and the Navy in destroying or at least preventing the arrival of supplies to Tripoli. In Tripoli, the Italians possessed the largest port west of Alexandria on the north African shore with its facilities to handle up to six large freighters at a time. Despite the continuous air attacks on Malta the RN was keeping a powerful force of destroyers based there supplemented by Cruisers whenever required or judged necessary to interdict the flow of supplies from Italy. Likewise during his recent visit Sir Hugh had seen for himself the critical role that offensive actions by the RAF based on Malta would have not only in tracking the Axis convoys but also in attacking them. Both directly and indirectly by mining the port areas on a regular basis.

With the decision not to send Army units to Greece sufficient shipping had been freed up for another major convoy to be run eastwards to Malta. Shipping was also being used to supply the RAF in Greece, where possible this was being shipped using Greek owned vessels. Other ships, principally vessels of two thousand tons or less were being used to take supplies to Crete and along the coast of Africa as far as Benghazi.

The problem for Wavell and the British was that a lot of the equipment such as tanks and trucks was just worn-out. Whilst great efforts had been made to repair and refit what the army already had and with motor transport in particular to organise a proper system for the use and maintenance of the large stock of captured Italian lorries. The Royal Army Service Corp, ran not only the motor transport but also the railway system and even had their own flotilla of coasters and other vessels for moving supplies. This integration was very significant in their success in the western desert. The cooperation with the RAF was also a fundamental part of the campaign as having two supply systems fighting to use the same resources could have been a major source of delay and confusion. Under Longmore’s Command the RAF logistics and the RASC worked closely together.

One major problem being the shortage of transport aircraft. This problem had been highlighted to the CAS on his recent flying visit to the area. Unlike most rear echelon troops the RASC were fully armed and combat trained as they were expected to provide their own security and defence when and where necessary. It was to an extent on the experience and the interaction with the RASC that the forward based RAF personnel started to be armed and trained for airfield defence. Shortly after the fall of France the first of the RAF Defence Squadrons had been formed and now in the western desert these came of age.

The original two RAF Armoured Car Squadrons had more than proved their worth in Operation Compass and now several squadrons, bearing squadron numbers between seven hundred and one onwards into the eight hundreds were operational. Equipping these squadrons and providing arms for the RAF base personnel had been solved to an extent by issuing them captured Italian arms and equipment. The one thing the RAF did not get from captured Italian stocks were anti aircraft guns, The Italin guns were to largely remain where they were to defend the former Italian infrastructure now being put to use by the British and Commonwealth forces. The decision had been made that the RAF would use AA ordinance from their own stocks. Therefore base workshops had been making mounts for K-guns, aircraft browning machine guns and Hispano cannons to supplement the few forty millimetre Bofors that had found their way to the RAF.

The gathering of intelligence and the sharing of the same was to be of prime importance in the campaign to be fought in Tripolitania. Whilst the work of the air reconnaissance aircraft was well known the work of the Y service stations was just as important. The interception and interpretation of radio signals was of vital importance. Techniques learnt by RAF personnel at Bletchley Park were to be a force multiplier for the allies. Principle amongst these innovations was the closely guarded secret of traffic analysis. Whilst breaking codes was important much could be learnt of the your enemies dispositions and movements simply by understand who was talking to whom, how often, for how long and occasionally actually knowing about what. The flip side of this was of course signals security and in their working with the RAF during operation Compass and generally, the lack of signals security on the Army radio networks had become a point of some contention between the two services. This friction had got to such a point early in the New Year that Wavell had asked the Navy to investigate. The results of this enquiry were quick and sobering. Naval listening teams at various locations had submitted their interceptions of both Army and RAF signals for a period of one week. These intercepts had then been interpreted by an Naval intelligence team who had no prior information of what was being intercepted just that it was ‘enemy signals’ traffic. Just using intercept time, locations, bearings and other data provided not only did this team give an appreciation of the size and location of the units involved but often were able to identify their purpose and function. Whilst the RAF and Army bases were fairly easy to locate the Army units in the field were a little more difficult to locate, however far more detail of the army units size and purpose was deduced and their movements logged than the High Command had anticipated. In fact the Naval intelligence team were able to provide an order of battle for the British forces, that whilst only partial in places was accurate enough to cause real concern. Suddenly signals security had become a very hot topic. An adjunct to this was that it became clear that the RAF were using false signals to disguise their bases, this was being done mainly by the Q units who were setting up decoy airfields and supply dumps to divert attention from the real RAF facilities. By creating signal traffic from these site their validity as targets to the enemy was enhanced. This signals deception concept would now be taken up and expanded by the Army in the field.



Continuous mining of the waters around Tripoli and the bombing of the port was slowing the flow of supplies to the Axis but had not choked it off. Bombers would sortie from Malta and from the Benim airfields around Benghazi. As often as possible the two Polish squadrons of Wellingtons now based on Crete would also be sent, however this was becoming less frequent as the need to slowdown the enemy build up on the Greek frontiers became acute. By early March there were indications that German units were assembling in the area to the west of Buerat , in Tripolitania. General O’Conner had a hard time persuading Wavell that it was wise to maintain out west so far beyond El Agheila, the plan was form a series of hard points inland from Sirte from which aggressive patrolling could be done but the main line of resistance would be back towards El Aghelia until O’conner’s forces were ready to strike out for Tripoli. The distance involved had to be appreciated travelling by road, to Sirte was a gruelling trek of almost two hundred miles to El Aghelia and the same distance again to Bengahzi.

Longmore had ordered a series of landing fields to be built along the coast, with fuel and stores for both the forward basing and quick movement of aircraft. To south of the coastal plain O’Conner had instructed the LRDG under the command of Ralph Bagnold to make far reaching patrols to watch for any move to outflank the Commonwealth forces. Here the previous rudimentary system of air supply was refined to keep the patrols out in ’The Blue’ for extended periods. The most important weapon carried by the LRDG was their radio.

Elsewhere a parallel race to strike a decisive blow was being run, in East Africa the forces from both the Sudan and Kenya were now advancing into Italian Somalia and after having been checked for a time were now making progress aided by the squadrons of SAAF Hurricanes and Tomahawks. Such was the situation at the beginning of March.
Even with less diversion of British forces to Greece, this was a case of "too little butter spread over too much bread"..... But that was the reality they were faced with.

*edit* I just thought of this quote - apropos I think:

"Certainty Of Death? Small Chance Of Success? What Are We Waitin' For?" Gimli son of Gloin

 
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Without the four divisions being sent to Greece that effectively gutted XIII Corps leading to the breaking up of the Corps HQ you maintain a viable army in the field in Tripolitania with reserve divisions refitting in Cyrenaica and Egypt. That is a huge change from OTL where the Two Italian and One German Division under Rommel's command in March faced no single unit larger than a reinforced Brigade acting as a cohesive force. ITTL the forces are far more evenly matched and it could well be a case of 'He who gets there firsted with the mosted'
 
12. 21 Long Range Spitfires
Chapter 12. 21 long range spitfires.

Having sent a coded message from Egypt to the Air Ministry copied to the Ministry of Aircraft Production and the Ministry of Supply regarding whether the production of the long range Spitfire Mark V could be brought forward Sir Hugh was disappointed but not surprised to have not received any response prior to his arrival back at the Air Ministry in Whitehall.

What was surprising was to be appraised by his Private Sectary that both Joseph Smith and Jeffrey Quill had been telephoning from Supermarines Design Headquarters at Hursley House near Winchester on a daily basis wishing to set up a meeting with Sir Hugh at Hursley or Eastleigh as a matter of some urgency. So it was just a few days later that Sir Hugh was shown into a meeting room in Hursley house where a number of Supermarime staff were gathered including Smith and Quill. After introducing all the various people there Joseph Smith got strait to the purpose of this meeting. The Enquiry regarding the advancement of the long range Mark V had been forwarded by the MAP in such a manner as to convince Supermarine that no matter what answer they gave to the MAP neither the MAP or the MOS would take action commensurate with attempting to rush the new Mark V into service. Sir Joseph then asked Sir Hugh how important the early availability of a long range spitfire was.

In response within the bounds of security Sir Hugh had explained the situation in the Middle East and the importance of both ferry range and operational sortie range. Joseph Smith had responded that whilst getting operational Mark V’s available before the end of the year would cause serious disruption to production of the current Mark III Supermarine had an alternative solution to the problem. Here Joseph Smith handed over to Jeffry Quill.

Jeffry remind Sir Hugh the Five Mark III Spitfires had been lifted from the production line to be used as development aircraft for the Mark V. Two of these had been modified to various degrees with the stronger undercarriage swept further forward, leading edge and wing tanks plus the forty eight gallon main lower tank. The third of these Mark III’s had been further modified as the Basis of the PR Mk IV. The last two air frames had still been in the factory undergoing different modifications, One was in the process of having the fuselage modified to remove the rear spine and fit a ‘Bubble’ style canopy. This loss of the spine had reduced the capacity of any aft tank for this aircraft to sixty six gallons. One Trade off had been that unlike the Mark V this version of the Mark III would only be armed with two 20mm cannons and four three-o-three machine guns due to weight and space restrictions in the wing. It was not practical at this time to introduce the new stronger wing spar that was being developed as a core part of the new Mark V. As Quill had wryly remarked ‘ you could only do what you could do’

On their own cognisance Smith and Quill with the backing of Supermarine Management had taken the final test aircraft and had fitted it with all the practical range extension modifications and planned Mark V improvements within the constraints of the existing airframe but completing it to operational standard. This had been accomplished in only two weeks as all the drawing and most of the parts were already available somewhere within the Supermarine organisation, it was just a case of marrying them all together was the Wry comment from Joseph Smith.

This had resulted in an aircraft that had the enlarged main tanks holding ninety six gallons, inner leading edge tanks holding twenty gallons each, internal wing bag tanks holding eighteen gallons each and an aft tank hold sixty six gallons. This latter size was chosen as it meant that no further modifications would be needed if the fuselage was changed for a teardrop canopy configuration (the smaller tank and lighter fuselage aft potentially helping to offset the rearwards movement of the aircraft’s CoG with a full fuel load). This aircraft had in the last few days been put through extensive tests and on internal fuel alone could fly a genuine one thousand two hundred and fifty miles at an average distance per gallon of five and a quarter miles whilst ballasted to full war equipment load. Cruising speed clean was two hundred and thirty miles an hour. With a ninety gallon conformal external tank the range extended to one thousand six hundred and seventy miles at a lower average cruising speed of two hundred and twenty miles an hour. Though there were larger capacity conformal tanks being made they had severe drag penalties and took the aircraft beyond it’s current certified maximum take off weight.

Next to speak was a senior Production manager, He explained that unlike Castle Bromwich that was set up for maximum production capacity of a single aircraft mark, the dispersed nature of multiple workshops and suppliers in the Southern Group made their production and final assembly more agile and capable of building various Marks of the same aircraft simultaneously. Currently standard Mark III’s were being built whilst alongside a smaller number of PR Mark IV’s were also being constructed with no loss of total production. The Mark III LR could be slotted into production on a one for one basis once all the sub assemblies and parts had been made and delivered to the final assembly shop at Eastleigh.

At this Juncture Quill rose to speak again, He reiterated that the current trials aircraft was in a suitable condition that it could be delivered for flight testing and approval by the A&AEE strait away. Joseph Smith then added that construction drawings which were basically an amalgamation of the original Mark III, the now dormant Griffin engine Mk IV, The PR Mark IV and the Mark V were being completed and finalised as he spoke. Once approval of the aircraft for operational use had been give the Board of Supermarine were confident that the Spitfire Mk III LR could be rolling out of the Eastleigh flight shed in eight to ten weeks. One last thing comment was that if Sir Hugh approved of this proposal then Supermarine would leave it to him as CAS to smooth over what were bound to be some very ruffled feathers in the splendid plumage of the Air Ministry, Ministry of Aircraft Production and the Ministry of Supply.

With that done the Meeting dispersed and Joseph Smith and Jeffry Quill proceeded to take Sir Hugh through the drawings and specifications of the new Mark III LR. After a quick Lunch Sir Hugh was taken down to Eastleigh where Quill showed him around the prototype of the MKIII LR Spitfire explaining the salient points of the modifications before finally demonstrating a take off with a full fuel load.

Sir Max Aitkin was to describe years later that Sir Hugh was walking around the aircraft with a grin worthy of the proverbial Cheshire Cat and had turned to his young aid and enquired if he would like to fly the aircraft and give Sir Hugh his honest opinion of the aircraft. Jeffery Quill had suggested that Max Aitkin first fly the test aircraft with the rear fuel tank empty, then Supermarine would half fill the aft tank and then finally Max would take off and fly with a full rear tank. After a quick run through of the ‘bells and whistle’ in the cockpit and wearing borrowed flying kit Max was off. For the full hour these test flights took Sir Hugh was keenly observing all that was happening and asking questions of the assorted workers busy in the flight test hanger. Sir Hugh’s genuine interest in what these people had to say and his deep technical knowledge of aircraft design and the fact that his questions were informed and required thoughtful answers left a marked impression on many who spoke with him at the time.

One other very important point to come out of this meeting was that as this version was going to be first sent to the middle east it needed to be further modified to take the necessary special filters and other tropicalised equipment from the start. With that in mind Supermarine were going to start modifying the remain Mk III test aircraft to that standard as if a further test aircraft was required for the MK V program taking an already completed Mk III LR would be easier. Subsequently the Tropical version of the MkIII LR was given a separate mark number as the Mk VIII as the Mark numbers VI and VII had already been allocated to the high altitude Mk II and III already ordered and in produced or being completed at Eastleigh

Once he had completed his familiarisation flights in the special Mark III long range development fighter Max Aitkin walked over to Sir Hugh and when asked what he thought his response was marked by all who heard it as Max Aitkin simply requested to be given Command of the first squadron to be equipped with the new aircraft. His official write up on the aircraft concluded that the aft shift of the CoG when the sixty six gallon aft tank was full rendered the aircraft unsuited for combat but within acceptable limits under war time conditions for non combat flight. With the tank empty and filled with inert gas then the aircraft handing was virtually indistinguishable from a standard Mark III. Max Aitkin’s report also stated that loss of power on take off would almost invariably result in the loss of aircraft and pilot when using the aft tank whether or not addition external fuel was carried. Again this was an acceptable risk in time of war that would not necessarily be countenanced under peacetime constraints.

As Sir Hugh headed back to London and a meeting with Sir Peter, Sir Hugh was aware that the fight to get this new variant of the Mark III into service was only just begging. As long as they could get Churchill to back it then Sir Hugh was confidant that by the end of the summer Spitfires would be flying all the way to the Middle East via Gibraltar and possibly even further than that.
 
Which means somebody leaning on Rolls-Royce to get more power out of the Merlin. Would be curious to know what variant of Merlin (OTL equvialent) will be going into it.
 

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He reiterated that the current trials aircraft was in a suitable condition that it could be delivered for flight testing and approval by the A&AEE strait away. Joseph Smith then added that construction drawings which were basically an amalgamation of the original Mark III, the now dormant Griffin engine Mk IV, The PR Mark IV and the Mark V were being completed and finalised as he spoke. Once approval of the aircraft for operational use had been give the Board of Supermarine were confident that the Spitfire Mk III LR could be rolling out of the Eastleigh flight shed in eight to ten weeks.
I'm not sure what "now dormant" means here. An engine left unused? A fixed design, ready for tooling and mass production? Stocks sitting arround awaiting an aircraft design to use them?

I any respect this answers the issue @Schlock raises. The Griffin offering the extra power (with a handy shift forward in centre of gravity from the heavier engine).
 
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