AHC- More San Marinos and Liechtensteins

All of the Scottish Highland clans as independent nations.Do Ireland the same as part of a England screw. Ui Neil land and such.

Vermont remains separate.

Pirate Republics remain independence.

Indian Reservations are internationally recognized nations.

Hundreds of Vinland settlements remain independent.
 

jocay

Banned
this is my favorite. In your scenario do you think the Sultan would try to turn his little fiefdom into an Islamic Vatican by way of keeping his Caliph title? Not saying he could succeed, just saying whether he would even bother.

He could certainly try as long as he keeps his head down. Avoid making Turkey angry. The Hashemites and Saudis would probably oppose giving any further recognition of the Ottomans as Caliphs. I'd love the idea of the Ottoman Caliph ironically becoming a voice of anti-imperialism. Ada Kaleh in addition might become an unofficial site of pilgrimage.
 

Marc

Donor
Sovereign Hanover is an interesting supposing that has been mentioned in various threads and postings.
It's even possible to imagine Hanover never being part of the German Empire - which would just about diverge European history rather hugely from the last third of the 19th century on.
 

Crazy Boris

Banned
Heligoland could have ended up a tiny island nation had Germany not wanted it back and Britain not interested in keeping it

Kauai could have tried to keep some sort of vassalage with Hawaii instead of being fully annexed by Kamehameha II, and then once the US takes the islands, they just decide to leave the little western domain alone

Pondicherry and Goa could have become little Franco-Indian and Luso-Indian Singapore-esque states

An idea I've toyed with before is Hong Kong (and maybe Macao) being given to a Qing pretender in the 90s instead of the PRC, giving us three Chinas, the communist mainland, KMT Taiwan, and now an imperial city-state
 
If Corsica could have staved off French Anexation in 1767 it's possible that it might have remained independent to this day.

After all it was independent with British Backing for the Majority of the 7 years war. If that Backing had stuck we might see an independent Corsica.
 

Crazy Boris

Banned
Were/Are there any legitimate claimants left at that point?

Yep, there still is! Puyi's brother was still around until just a few years ago, and his nephew is now the heir to the throne. But, both live/lived in the mainland, which could make things difficult
 
Pondicherry and Goa could have become little Franco-Indian and Luso-Indian Singapore-esque states
Maybe in conjunction with some of the princely states also keeping their independence, which's a timeline I'd really like to see someday?
 

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The Sultanate of Sulu could survive on mainland Borneo, but recede in territory against British and Malaysian land claims and become a rump state the same size as Brunei
 

Crazy Boris

Banned
Maybe in conjunction with some of the princely states also keeping their independence, which's a timeline I'd really like to see someday?

I think that in the leadup to August 15, there was some talk of India and Pakistan only being the British crown territories and all the princely states coming together to form a third country
 
The Sultanate of Sulu could survive on mainland Borneo, but recede in territory against British and Malaysian land claims and become a rump state the same size as Brunei

As soon as I saw "sultanate of Sulu" I envisioned economies going where no one has gone before. My guess is the sultan would be great at navigating ships...
 
As the title suggests how would we get more nations like San Marino and Liechtenstein, small nations part of ethnic groups of larger nation-states but left out of consolidation because of geography or politics. San Marino left out of Italy not because they arent Italians but because of politics; Liechtenstein left out of Germany because of Austrian Empire/Austria-Hungary being between the principality and the rest of Germany; Luxembourg being left out of Germany because of politics, the personal union with Netherlands at the time of consolidation. So how do we get more little nations left out of the bigger nations? Doesn't have to be in Germany and Italy.
Neutral Moresnet
 
Don't forget Andorra.
In the same neighborhood, I have thought some truncated version of Navarre had a shot at being a codependent state between France and Spain.
The Lowlands had some possibilities besides Luxembourg. A formally divided Belgium between the Walloons and the Flemish.
And there is there real life current example of Slovenia.
They aren't micro-states, but they are quite small in context.
I really want to keep the Sanjak of Novi-bazar, the republic of Cracow would be nice too, perhaps some of the Hansa Cities. The Free and Hanseatic Republic tag is such a great one. Thinking abut that when the HRE is abolished perhaps the Free Imperial cities could get independence?
 
More fractitious politics in the German region leave some capacity for more minor German states to remain independent, though going far back enough to prevent national unification fervor leading to their consumption by the usual suspects is a challenge of its own.

For pushing the boundaries of what could a "state" be, there is/was the self-declared Kingdom of Tavolara on the titular isle of Tavolara (just shy of 2 square miles) off the coast of Sardinia; it only became part of Italy due to being willed to the state by its last regent after nearly a century of de facto independence. With a population of only a few dozen people there's a question as to what sort of economy the country would be able to support, but keeping it independent to the present is only a matter of keeping more independence-minded people in charge. (For a very interesting fellow Italian example, though outside the pre-1900 timeframe, there is the Principality of Seborga somehow attaining independence.)
independence for the Ionian Islands.....
 
Don't forget Andorra.
In the same neighborhood, I have thought some truncated version of Navarre had a shot at being a codependent state between France and Spain.
The Lowlands had some possibilities besides Luxembourg. A formally divided Belgium between the Walloons and the Flemish.
And there is there real life current example of Slovenia.
They aren't micro-states, but they are quite small in context.
Monk Republic of Mount Athos.
 
Would be interesting. Could Imagine Elba staying a principality into modern times with Bonapartes like Grimaldis. Unless the Brits say otherwise . Also Napoleon needs a heir before dying of cancer.
Napoleon II was still alive in Austria when his father died. According to the Wiki he asked several times to go to Italy for his health, if Napoleon never escapes Elba, stays there and builds his ideal state, and there is no Hundred Days, the Austrians might just let Nappy have it. What he would be called? Not "Emperor" (the title Nap I was allowed to keep for life) - would it be the Duchy of Elba, the Principality of Elba, the Kingdom of Elba? With Napoleon I dead, the Allies would not have wanted to aggrandize the son and give him ideas.

As for the others -
Mount Athos is already a de-facto autonomous state.
The Fener district has a quasi-Vatican like enclave for the Patriarch of Constantinople if things go differently against the Ottomans in the 19th century.
Free City of Gdansk/Danzig in a world without WWII.
Trieste as a city-state
Saarland is an independent buffer state.
Neutral Morsenet (already mentioned)
Kingdom of Tavolara (already mentioned)
Republic of Senarica, pop.300 (in Italy)
Republic of Noli (in Italy)
Republic of Cospaia (literally a neighborhood in San Guistino, Italy)
Independent Sarawak
Independent Sultantate of Sulu (already mentioned)
Republic of Cabinda
The Comtat Venaissin as a Papal State
Heligoland (already mentioned) as a British territory.
 
What he would be called? Not "Emperor" (the title Nap I was allowed to keep for life) - would it be the Duchy of Elba, the Principality of Elba, the Kingdom of Elba? With Napoleon I dead, the Allies would not have wanted to aggrandize the son and give him ideas.
I think the title will come first, Elba being plain Elba or Island of Elba.
Prince seems natural to me due to its usage in English and French where it's a courtesy title for members of royalty. I think German nobility were adopting Prinz for that usage around this time too. I think Italian principe has similar multiple usage as English and French so that might work initially. Especially if he can be awarded that while Napoleon I is still alive. Later on there'd be discussion about whether he ranks as prince minor (below a Duke, roughly on par as margrave/marquis) and thus a Fürst or as prince major (above a Duke, roughly Grand Duke but more sovereign).
 
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