AHC: Jewish state by 1800

[Iudeus Rex britannicus]

Can you make a jewish sovereign state, or a territory devoted towards the settlement of the Jews, in the Maghreb, the near east or the Americas by 1800.

 

[SvoHljott]

With what POD?

 

[Morraw]

With what POD?

It's a challenge; you can pick any POD you want.

 

[Lalli]

Jews don't revolt on 1st and 2nd centuries and Judea remains as Roman client state. Then with damned good luck survives until 19th century.

Or another and more realistic way is that Jews from Iberia move to Americas and found their own settlement which survives until 1800.

 

[sloreck]

A Jewish state in Palestine won't survive the Muslim invasion 7th century. The best hope is Jews expelled from Iberia ending up in North America somehow. Anywhere else the local polities in Maghreb and elsewhere are too large and strong to become a Jewish state.

 

[Jonathan Edelstein]

What counts as a "state?" For most of history, the boundaries of statehood weren't very clear; the Westphalian conception that underpins the modern international system is a relatively recent innovation.

If Joseph Nasi's colonization scheme had got off the ground, there might have been a self-governing Jewish fiefdom in 16th-century Galilee, which by the standards of the time, would have been state enough.

 

[Eivind]

Let the Arabs convert to Judaism instead of making a new religion.

 

[fluttersky]

The Iberian Union decides to deport its Jews to the Azores, due to racism and desire to leave them somewhere out of sight, out of mind.

 

[pompejus]

A Jewish state in Palestine won't survive the Muslim invasion 7th century. The best hope is Jews expelled from Iberia ending up in North America somehow. Anywhere else the local polities in Maghreb and elsewhere are too large and strong to become a Jewish state.

To be fair, a surviving Jewish Palestina could easily butterfly away Islam.

 

[Derek Jackson]

A Jewish state in Palestine won't survive the Muslim invasion 7th century. The best hope is Jews expelled from Iberia ending up in North America somehow. Anywhere else the local polities in Maghreb and elsewhere are too large and strong to become a Jewish state.

I wonder, Islam managed to rule some states without totally suppressing other faiths, Jewish people did MUCH better under Islam than Christianity up to at least 1800 in otl

 

[the_last_pakistani]

Also bear in mind that an early medieval Jewish state DID in fact exist (Kingdom of Khazaria).

The only POD that I can think of is if someone like Theodor Herzel had convinced the ottomans in establishing a client state inside the empire in modern day Israel in the 1700s. Apparently the ottoman caliph had been receptive of Herzel's requests for a Jewish state but had nevertheless declined.